Interesting Somewhat Airsoft Related Newstory

SgtBob

This story is quite interesting, it's from today's Metro Herald.

Worth a read, and also a bit of a warning.

Hande hoche!

Pair of tools.

Officer Giggles

You can think of a hundred ways to promote the sport but articles like that destroy each and every one of them

AlmightyCushion

Going by the article it seems one of them was over the 1J limit.

Leftyflip

*facepalm*

SgtBob

Officer Giggles wrote: »

You can think of a hundred ways to promote the sport but articles like that destroy each and every one of them

Agreed.

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Going by the article it seems one of them was over the 1J limit.

A great example of, among other reasons, why you should be keeping your aeg's within the legal limits.

Leftyflip wrote: »

*facepalm*

I see your *facepalm* and raise you a *double facepalm*

Arkslippy

Matthew Perry never got any work after leaving "friends".


Sorry to see he went into assassinations.

Genghiz Cohen

SgtBob wrote: »

I see your *facepalm* and raise you a *double facepalm*

Raise *head desk*

SgtBob

Arkslippy wrote: »

Matthew Perry never got any work after leaving "friends".


Sorry to see he went into assassinations.

I never copped that. You my friend, are a legend.

Firekitten

Doesnt say anywhere its airsoft... for all we know it might well be two break barrel air rifles... which is utterly unrelated. Tbh, I dont think people will look badly on airsoft for a pair of drunken idiots.

SgtBob

Firekitten wrote: »

Doesnt say anywhere its airsoft... for all we know it might well be two break barrel air rifles... which is utterly unrelated. Tbh, I dont think people will look badly on airsoft for a pair of drunken idiots.

Hmm, thats a good point. Are you able to buy those over here?

But yeah, I would hope that people wouldn't let this reflect poorly on airsoft as a whole. But get enough stories like this and that could change.

Tommyboy71

Firekitten wrote: »

Doesnt say anywhere its airsoft... for all we know it might well be two break barrel air rifles... which is utterly unrelated. Tbh, I dont think people will look badly on airsoft for a pair of drunken idiots.

Agree. Does not mention Aisoft anywere. A non-Interesting Non-airsoft related story really.

SgtBob

Just the fact they were bought in Ireland, makes me assume that they were airsoft. However, there is always a strong possibility they aren't.

Solid Snake

Airguns and ball bearings.....meh, not stating airsoft devices.

I'm with Tommyboy & Firekitten on this.

Next!.....

NakedDex

The media know enough about airsoft now to at least name-drop airsoft as a position of blame. The authorities know equally about them more than enough to name them as such in press statements. Naming "air guns" and "ball bearings" in the article specifically implies it's one of the rather common - if also quite illegal - pump-powered or break barrel air guns.

Not airsoft, totally unrelated and unconnected. No point in making the association with airsoft unless it directly implies such.

TheDoc

NakedDex wrote: »

The media know enough about airsoft now to at least name-drop airsoft as a position of blame. The authorities know equally about them more than enough to name them as such in press statements. Naming "air guns" and "ball bearings" in the article specifically implies it's one of the rather common - if also quite illegal - pump-powered or break barrel air guns.

Not airsoft, totally unrelated and unconnected. No point in making the association with airsoft unless it directly implies such.

In fairness we always just nitpick words " O it didn't mention airsoft guns so its not related"

But as much as we like to think we are now "mainstream" our equipment is still most commonly refered to as BB guns or Pellet guns.

Although the story isn't " Two airsofters embark on Milsim of epic fail" it still does have ties guys, and its simply more burying the head in the sand to say that it isn't related.

I do find it a bit annoying and I definitly roll my eyes when we collectively just all gang up and go " o well its not airsoft, we are ok". As much as this story isn't going to blow a snot of **** against airsoft, it is DEFINITELY linked.

Anything that mentions a gun, that doesn't fire real bullets, can easily be tied...to airsoft.

My 2 cents

Gatling

could be worse , a few months back an domestic dispute almost became a lot more when Gardai called to a 999 response a idiot came out of a house with a gbb pointing at the gardai in a threating manner -that made front pages around the country ,

SgtBob

Gatling wrote: »

could be worse , a few months back an domestic dispute almost became a lot more when Gardai called to a 999 response a idiot came out of a house with a gbb pointing at the gardai in a threating manner -that made front pages around the country ,

Geez, I didn't see that, but it sounds mad. Thats how you get your self shot for real.

tonyj_mc

if nothing else let it serve as a warning and to enforce the pont that anything that can discharge a projectile from a barrell at at energy great than one joule is considered a firearm and if you are caught you will be sentenced as if its a offensive weapon

OzCam

Gatling wrote: »

...Gardai called to a 999 response a idiot came out of a house with a gbb pointing at the garda...

IIRC, the Guards put that case down as "Attempted Suicide By Cop" and the gentleman received psychiatric care afterwards. I thought they handled it superbly. There but for the grace of God go any of us.

TheDoc

tonyj_mc wrote: »

if nothing else let it serve as a warning and to enforce the pont that anything that can discharge a projectile from a barrell at at energy great than one joule is considered a firearm and if you are caught you will be sentenced as if its a offensive weapon

For fear of derailing the topic of completely and probably getting infracted, there is a wonderful immature joke lying in that post.

Moggser...do the honours....please...take one for the team.

And the more scandalous thing about that piece was the title... I've never read something more misleading and contradictory in the same sentence.

Was genuinely hoping to read about two guys who dressed up as Knights on horseback and tried to rescue someone...the kinda thing Fayer would suggest after a lengthy session
Going out to Finglas though, with toy guns, hunting an abusive husband....its probably for the best they got arrested, for their own safety.

SgtBob

Oh... I see it now. Oh dear lord *facepalm*

Steve

Just thinking about the physics of it here.

Am I right in thinking that if an AEG is rated sub 1J with plastic bb's then, as the article states, if you use actual "ball bearings" (most likely written in ignorance :rolleyes:) then it still cannot exceed the legal limit?

Surely, physics says that a heavier ball bearing would just travel slower as the AEG can still only impart 1J on it and it's heavier.

AlmightyCushion

Steve wrote: »

Just thinking about the physics of it here.

Am I right in thinking that if an AEG is rated sub 1J with plastic bb's then, as the article states, if you use actual "ball bearings" (most likely written in ignorance :rolleyes:) then it still cannot exceed the legal limit?

Surely, physics says that a heavier ball bearing would just travel slower as the AEG can still only impart 1J on it and it's heavier.

That is correct.

Steve

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

That is correct.

Has it been tested though is what's bugging me.

In theory, the physics stand up but if it's because of a limitation on the speed of the firing pin that hits and accelerates the projectile then it's maybe possible that using a heavier projectile could be illegal.

I'm only asking because the article refers to an identifiable supplier and don't think it's fair if there were any unfounded allegations that they supplied dodgy items.

Puding

nothing actually hits the bb, the theory and the practical are correct, if you do not change anything other than the bb the joule output will stay the same

Dogwatch

Steve wrote: »

Has it been tested though is what's bugging me.

In theory, the physics stand up but if it's because of a limitation on the speed of the firing pin that hits and accelerates the projectile then it's maybe possible that using a heavier projectile could be illegal.

I'm only asking because the article refers to an identifiable supplier and don't think it's fair if there were any unfounded allegations that they supplied dodgy items.

Using a heavier than .2g bb lowers the fps but does not change the imparted energy. The heavier bb will not travel quite as far. So, a metal 6mm projectile will weigh considerably more than .2g so will not travel as far and will also be traveling at a lower speed.

OzCam

Search online for the Airsoft Trajectory Project (not sure where it's hosted these days) for more than you ever wanted to know about the performance of different weight BBs at different velocities.

Stercus Accidit

SgtBob

Steve wrote: »

Has it been tested though is what's bugging me.

In theory, the physics stand up but if it's because of a limitation on the speed of the firing pin that hits and accelerates the projectile then it's maybe possible that using a heavier projectile could be illegal.

I'm only asking because the article refers to an identifiable supplier and don't think it's fair if there were any unfounded allegations that they supplied dodgy items.

In regards to identifying the supplier. To be fair, no one could know what has been done to it after it was sold. They guy in the story could have modified it in numerous ways. Then again, it may have been a case of been 0.01j over the limit. Or I am sure numerous other factors could have been the reason it was over the limit.

To be honest, I haven't dealt with any retailers over here that were not super careful about ensuring they were selling a legal piece. Retailers in Bray included.