FF suddenly care about a mandate and democracy

Laminations

Did anyone see Lenihan being handed his arse on Six One?

FF suddenly care about a mandate and democracy when it's election time..

So lenihan argues he has delayed paying 10 bn of the IMF/EU deal into the banks as he doesn't have a mandate.

Noonan points out he has a mandate from when the Dail voted it through.

Lenihan says he cares about democracy and he wants to give the electorate a choice on the payment while in the next breath says that the next government would have to pay it anyway. Sure he can't say otherwise as Brian Dobson reminds him that that would constitute a renegotiation.

Oh and Lenihan also now accepts that the renegotiation that FG have been suggesting is possible.

What a cowardly FF election stunt, postponing the obligations they signed the country up to, to save face for the party. Who'd expect any better though. But let's all focus on Kennys TV skills...

Mr.Micro

Lenny has to be the worst finance minister ever, then Biffo. He was never interested in democracy when he was selling us out to the EU/IMF or signing the blank cheque for the banks. He is a real asset for FF.

darragh16

They push it through now and they'll get the normal populist abuse, "They're not the govt. they shouldn't push it through"

They leave it to the next govt. they get the exact same Sh*te, "Typical of FF, only looking after themselves."

Its a lose lose situation for him.

Laminations

darragh16 wrote: »

They push it through now and they'll get the normal populist abuse, "They're not the govt. they shouldn't push it through"

They leave it to the next govt. they get the exact same Sh*te, "Typical of FF, only looking after themselves."

Its a lose lose situation for him.

What part of them saying this HAS to be done do you not believe or understand. Why delay it if it is inevitable. The bullsh1t reasons given for the delay were torn apart on the news. As Noonan said, you are the government until there is a new government.

Putting the money in now is the difficult and unpopular (for FF) decision, it's clear they put party before country.

And you are right it is lose lose. That's what you get after wrecking a country.

swampgas

Laminations wrote: »

Did anyone see Lenihan being handed his arse on Six One?

FF suddenly care about a mandate and democracy when it's election time..

Pretty hypocritical considering how they delayed the by-elections for so long.

FF appear to be a party that always seem to know what's the right thing to do, but can be relied upon to do the opposite.

Kristopherus

Fianna Fail are a bunch of slimeballs of the lowest kind and the further they are kicked by the electorate, the happier I will be :mad::mad::mad:

niallers1

swampgas wrote: »

Pretty hypocritical considering how they delayed the by-elections for so long.

FF appear to be a party that always seem to know what's the right thing to do, but can be relied upon to do the opposite.

Depends whether you believe using public/taxpayers money to pay the gambling debts of professional investors is the right thing to do. Personally, I belive the right thing to do is not pay another penny into the banks.

All he is doing is putting it back to Labour and Fine Gael to make that decision when they're in government.

swampgas

niallers1 wrote: »

Depends whether you belive paying public money to pay the gambling debts of professional investors is the right thing do do. Personally, I belive the right thing to do is not pay another penny into the banks.

All he is doing is putting it back to Labour and Fine Gael to make that decision when they're in government.

Fair point.

It's just that every single decision they have made seems to be about short-term populist political gain and not about the long-term national interest.

The decision to delay this payment to the banks is (IMO) just another example of this.

raymon

FF have lost the trust - shame on them

Mr.Micro

raymon wrote: »

FF have lost the trust - shame on them

FF never lost mine because I have never trusted them

puffdragon

My hatred for these Fiana Fail morons just grows and grows, if their not stuffing their bloody posters up your poles then they are blanketing the airways with lies, and now a cynical, lowlife turn-around to help no-one but themselves.

Are we too quiet in the face of this dishonesty, does posting the odd comment on Boards somehow rid us of anger enough to stop us from hitting one of them?

Ok Im changing tack,!! bye !!

[Jackass]

darragh16 wrote: »

They push it through now and they'll get the normal populist abuse, "They're not the govt. they shouldn't push it through"

They leave it to the next govt. they get the exact same Sh*te, "Typical of FF, only looking after themselves."

Its a lose lose situation for him.

False.

They are leaving it up to the next Government to do their dirty work for them, so they can then turn around and say "well look, you're doing the exact same thing we were doing, so you're no better, you couldn't handle the crisis any better" by handing the next Government a steaming pile of sh*t for an economy.

Again, it's FF putting their own interests ahead of the electorate and Irish people for personal gain.

They are a disgusting, disgraceful bunch of criminals and sly, cowardly idiots with absolute distdain for the public they are elected to serve.

On a side note, It's a shame we're not allowed describe certain people or parties as scumbags on these forums...

gandalf

It amazing how uncomfortable Brian Lenihan looks when he is facing Michael Noonan. And on cue Noonan handed Brian Lenihan his ass yet again. Poor old Brian is now suffering from Finance spokesman abuse on a regular basis.

It is cowardly but hardly surprising that "New" Fianna Fail have kicked the can further down the road. It puts to bed the myth that they have turned a new leaf.

CoalBucket

The worst is over, we have turned a corner

CDfm

I hope it isn't too cheeky to post a link, I have started a thread on the political dynasties in the History Forum.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056175292

It does look like the leadership/political gene pool is fairly small.

Wide Road

A few things here need addressing.
Alan Dukes, an ex-FG leader has stated that he agrees with the decision to delay the payment of billions of the IMF/EU deal into the banks. This isn't the first time that ex- FG leaders have disagreed with the current FG regime. Remember Leo and Garrett.
The OP used the word mandate. When Enda was in his only spell in govt (I think) as Minister for Tourism, the word mandate didn't apply then. FG, BEFORE the election, wouldn't speak to Democratic Left (Gilmore's crowd) back then. I don't really know why, but judging by the FG supporters at the time, they felt DL were beneath them. But after FF & Labour parted their ways, FG jumped into bed with Labour & DL. Problem was that FG had no mandate, but Enda isn't on record as voting against FG going into govt with DL.

CDfm

With our PR system of voting which lends itself to coalitions and unclear results the word mandate is unfortunate.

td's have a duty to elect a taoiseach to form a government and in fact the president has the power to refuse to dissolve the dail if the taoiseach loses a vote of confidence.

The Dail must reach a concensus on the appointment of a taoiseach and you can have a minority government. In 1994 Mary Robinson as President would have refused to dissolve the Dail if asked to by Albert Reynolds -so the situation of having a clear "mandate" is not always possible. but it is possible to reach a concensus.

Esel

Look folks, the total price of killing FF off for a good few years will be about €108 billion, according to Konstantin. A bit dear, you might say, but still worth it?

ftnbase

How often in the past two years have we heard Enda Kenny and Gilmore say that FF did not have a mandate to do what they were doing? How often did we hear them call for an election so that they could get a mandate from the people?

They were the good old days for FG/Lab (and SF too) when they did not have any duties except the issuing the typical Labour/SF soundbites. Now when it looks like they will have a mandate they are beginning to understand that it will mean making decisions and not all of them are going to be popular. That is what it is all about lads.

BTW I have often wondered where the FG/SF/Lab opposition have been for the past 14 years when FF did all these terrible things - if they could see it all happening and knew it was wrong (as they claim now) why did they not make it clear to the public in the last two elections - if an opposition is so ineffective (as as they claim themselves, powerless) why not send them home one the new Government is formed and tell them to try again at the next election. It would be one way of cutting the number of sitting TD's and would save the country a lot of money in wages/expenses.

BTW I am not a FF supporter - the hypocrisy of all the parties (including FF) makes me wonder if we will ever get out of this mess - but what really worries me is the ability of the next government to make decisions of any kind.

CDfm

ftnbase wrote: »

How often in the past two years have we heard Enda Kenny and Gilmore say that FF did not have a mandate to do what they were doing? How often did we hear them call for an election so that they could get a mandate from the people?

It really does confuse people

BTW I have often wondered where the FG/SF/Lab opposition have been for the past 14 years when FF did all these terrible things - if they could see it all happening and knew it was wrong (as they claim now) why did they not make it clear to the public in the last two elections

In the last election FG's and FF's policies were similar with the same economic assumptions.

if an opposition is so ineffective (as as they claim themselves, powerless) why not send them home one the new Government is formed and tell them to try again at the next election. I

According to John Bruton the Government and ruling party is ineffective and its the Civil Serevice who hold power

Former Taoiseach John Bruton claimed today that Ireland is run by civil servants who use TDs and Senators to administer their rule.

Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/bruton-in-scathing-attack-on-political-system-488245.html#ixzz1DXoK3e9d

the groutch

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Lenny has to be the worst finance minister ever, then Biffo.

charlie did most of the damage, biffo was just finishing the job off

Kasabian

darragh16 wrote: »

They push it through now and they'll get the normal populist abuse, "They're not the govt. they shouldn't push it through"

They leave it to the next govt. they get the exact same Sh*te, "Typical of FF, only looking after themselves."

Its a lose lose situation for him.

It's lose all the way for us.