ECU Tuning.

Quattroste

I'm guessing a lot of you have had your ECU's tuned. I had an Audi 1.8T done by Superchip many years back and had to have it replaced with a proper chip later on as it was rubbish.

I'm going to re-map a 3.0 diesel now but I'm looking for someone who knows what they are doing, NOT generic remaps.

Anyone want to throw some names out there? Anyone used MFKAutoCare?

Gary ITR

Quattroste wrote: »

I'm guessing a lot of you have had your ECU's tuned. I had an Audi 1.8T done by Superchip many years back and had to have it replaced with a proper chip later on as it was rubbish.

I'm going to re-map a 3.0 diesel now but I'm looking for someone who knows what they are doing, NOT generic remaps.

Anyone want to throw some names out there? Anyone used MFKAutoCare?

Joe Power at chippedire.com is the man all the Vag lads use. He works out of the same place I use and is fair sound too. Sorry I can't comment on MFK as I've not heard of them

Technoprisoner

its a pitty you cant flash the standard ecu on these cars.....would i be right in thinking to be able to get a proper custom map you would have to get a stand alone ecu?

tossy

Quattroste wrote: »

I'm guessing a lot of you have had your ECU's tuned. I had an Audi 1.8T done by Superchip many years back and had to have it replaced with a proper chip later on as it was rubbish.

I'm going to re-map a 3.0 diesel now but I'm looking for someone who knows what they are doing, NOT generic remaps.

Anyone want to throw some names out there? Anyone used MFKAutoCare?

I would have no problem with a generic map if the mapping is done by someone who knows what they are at,i've had 2 cars remapped in the past one by Joe power mentioned above,and the other by SLS tuning in Germany both were generic maps developed for the particular car in question fitted with those particular mods.

Technoprisoner wrote: »

its a pitty you cant flash the standard ecu on these cars.....would i be right in thinking to be able to get a proper custom map you would have to get a stand alone ecu?

Dont know what car the OP drives but my 2 cars were from the VAG group and both were remapped via a re flash.

Quattroste

The car is a Range Rover. I'll give Joe a shout as I work in Blanch and he's not far. I also found Sportchip.ie which is very close to where I work.

Interesting about the generic map. As mentioned, the last generic map wasn't great and although the car was more responsive and dam faster, it had lost it's even power curve and smoothness. I guess if I talk to the lads and get a feel that they know what they are doing it may convince me to go this way.

The other thing that puts me off is the cost. Ireland seems to be cheap in comparison to Northern Ireland and the UK. They say the extra cost is because the map is not generic and built for the specific model. Could be just bull though!

Thanks for the advice so far lads.

Technoprisoner

i would prefare a specific map fpr my car rather than a generic...so many differences from car to car. the only real mapper i can think of down south is tdp and martin tracey...up north you have ai autosports or ecc. the rest are just flashing genric maps on and probably know nothing about mapping at all

tossy

Quattroste wrote: »

The car is a Range Rover. I'll give Joe a shout as I work in Blanch and he's not far. I also found Sportchip.ie which is very close to where I work.

Interesting about the generic map. As mentioned, the last generic map wasn't great and although the car was more responsive and dam faster, it had lost it's even power curve and smoothness. I guess if I talk to the lads and get a feel that they know what they are doing it may convince me to go this way.

The other thing that puts me off is the cost. Ireland seems to be cheap in comparison to Northern Ireland and the UK. They say the extra cost is because the map is not generic and built for the specific model. Could be just bull though!

Thanks for the advice so far lads.

Well for what its worth a friend had his range rover mapped by Joe before christmas he did the range rover and another friends A6 3.0 TDi off site outside my friends apartment,Joe knows his stuff alight.

tossy

Technoprisoner wrote: »

i would prefare a specific map fpr my car rather than a generic...so many differences from car to car. the only real mapper i can think of down south is tdp and martin tracey...up north you have ai autosports or ecc. the rest are just flashing genric maps on and probably know nothing about mapping at all

I have no problem with a generic map my last mapped car was highly modified an it ran like a million dollars with an off the shelf remap that was applied via e mail VAG stuff is alot different to jap stuff (that martin and robbie would specialise in) when it comes to mapping.

Technoprisoner

tossy wrote: »

I have no problem with a generic map my last mapped car was highly modified an it ran like a million dollars with an off the shelf remap that was applied via e mail VAG stuff is alot different to jap stuff (that martin and robbie would specialise in) when it comes to mapping.

but i would not call the people who supply these mappers...all they do is flash an ecu...is there a free to use software for flashing the standard ecu in vw/audi?

Graham_B18C

Technoprisoner wrote: »

but i would not call the people who supply these mappers...all they do is flash an ecu...is there a free to use software for flashing the standard ecu in vw/audi?

I've seen Joe map cars a few times in Urban Peformance while I've been getting stuff done to my car and it's not like he brings a car in, plugs in a laptop and presses enter.

The cars do be on the dyno for a good while as he tweaks the map to suit the car. The guy maps a lorra cars because of his good reputation

Technoprisoner

Graham_B18C wrote: »

I've seen Joe map cars a few times in Urban Peformance while I've been getting stuff done to my car and it's not like he brings a car in, plugs in a laptop and presses enter.

The cars do be on the dyno for a good while as he tweaks the map to suit the car. The guy maps a lorra cars because of his good reputation

i see where you are coming from but i would say he is just adjusting maps....if he was handed a blank autronic or motec or something like that and had to get the car to fire up and started and fully mapped without a base map id say he would be in trouble..a person who can do this is a true mapper...because he has a set of rollers and a laptop dont make him a mapper.

tossy

Technoprisoner wrote: »

i see where you are coming from but i would say he is just adjusting maps....if he was handed a blank autronic or motec or something like that and had to get the car to fire up and started and fully mapped without a base map id say he would be in trouble..a person who can do this is a true mapper...because he has a set of rollers and a laptop dont make him a mapper.

edit: couldn't be bothered,already posted enough to help out the OP so im done here.

Technoprisoner

the point im making is anybody can adjust a map...doesnt make them a mapper...this is why i asked is ther an open source ecu flash for his car

tossy

Technoprisoner wrote: »

the point im making is anybody can adjust a map...doesnt make them a mapper...this is why i asked is ther an open source ecu flash for his car

Anyone can stack blocks with cement in between doesn't make them a block layer,will the wall be still standing in a few months? i think the OPs experience with a map on a previous car being crap proves that anyone can't be a mapper.

Technoprisoner

tossy wrote: »

Anyone can stack blocks with cement in between doesn't make them a block layer,will the wall be still standing in a few months? i think the OPs experience with a map on a previous car being crap proves that anyone can't be a mapper.

thats is because it was a generic map..there is loads of forums out there for mapping.....ive flashed a generic ralliart map to my car and adjusted it to suit...so not the hardest thing in the world to do

Atomic Pineapple

Whether anyone can or cant remap a car is not up for discussion here, take it to pm if you want but enough of dragging the thread off topic.

The OP is looking for recommendation on who is best to do it for their car, not whether anyone can do it or not.

tossy

draffodx wrote: »

The OP is looking for recommendation on who is best to do it for their car, .

Which is exactly what i did,i've no interest in PMing to engage in a tit for tat argument with anyone.

JimmyCrackCorn

Generic maps are exactly that a generic map.

To get the best out of your car particularly with a diesel you need to get the AFR exactly right. An airfilter on an unmapped vag diesel will losse you power until its mapped to compensate.

There is no substitute for a proper map with a wideband sensor. Ring arround and explain exactly what you want. Most wont be able to provide much more than generic maps which they buy and resell.

Try this list of companies with Dyno equipement
http://www.dtdirl.com/forums/showthread.php?p=743507

ECC>>>>>>Lisburn>>>>>>DynoJet
CDA>>>>>>Dunboyne>>>>>>Dyno Dynamics
AI>>>>>>Randanlstown>>>>>>Dastek Dynomometer
TDP>>>>>>Wicklow>>>>>>??????
Xtreme Autos>>>>>>Waterford>>>>>>???????
Westward>>>>>>>Enfield>>>>>>?????
Momentum Motorsport>>>>>>Lisburn>>>>>>???????
TTM>>>>>>>Tullamore>>>>>>???????
West Coast Performance>>>>>>>Tralee>>>>>>Dyno Dynamics

Quattroste

tossy wrote: »

Well for what its worth a friend had his range rover mapped by Joe before christmas he did the range rover and another friends A6 3.0 TDi off site outside my friends apartment,Joe knows his stuff alight.

Thanks for the debate on this lads. It's good to see the different views.

Tossy, do you think your mate with the Range Rover be willing to have a chat about this? I'd just like to know if he encountered any issues, if the fuel consumption improved, if there were any dead spot introduced?

tossy

Quattroste wrote: »

Thanks for the debate on this lads. It's good to see the different views.

Tossy, do you think your mate with the Range Rover be willing to have a chat about this? I'd just like to know if he encountered any issues, if the fuel consumption improved, if there were any dead spot introduced?

If i see him over the next few days i'll ask him all those questions and report back ok.I know he hasn't encountered any issues for a fact not sure on the economy but i'll find out.Some one like Joe power would be able to tailor your map to suit your needs i/e economy,more power or a map to suit a vehicle that will be towing a lot.

Quattroste

tossy wrote: »

If i see him over the next few days i'll ask him all those questions and report back ok.I know he hasn't encountered any issues for a fact not sure on the economy but i'll find out.Some one like Joe power would be able to tailor your map to suit your needs i/e economy,more power or a map to suit a vehicle that will be towing a lot.

Sweet, nice one man!

Compton

tossy wrote: »

If i see him over the next few days i'll ask him all those questions and report back ok.I know he hasn't encountered any issues for a fact not sure on the economy but i'll find out.Some one like Joe power would be able to tailor your map to suit your needs i/e economy,more power or a map to suit a vehicle that will be towing a lot.

can you pm me his number? thanks

TDR.ie

Technoprisoner wrote: »

i see where you are coming from but i would say he is just adjusting maps....if he was handed a blank autronic or motec or something like that and had to get the car to fire up and started and fully mapped without a base map id say he would be in trouble..a person who can do this is a true mapper...because he has a set of rollers and a laptop dont make him a mapper.

I have to 100% disagree with you on this one . Aftermarket ecu's are designed for the end user , Everything in the software is there to set up from crank setting , TPS , MAP ect . Live mapping those isnt hard one you understand the basics of engine dynamics . I tune and set them up all the time , Its not rocket science

OEM stuff is a totally different ball game all , Its not designed for the end user and used totaly different torque , load theory's to aftermarket . Something as changing an injector size is big work on OEM management

and more questions , feel free to ask

JimmyCrackCorn

TDR.ie wrote: »

OEM stuff is a totally different ball game all , Its not designed for the end user and used totaly different torque , load theory's to aftermarket . Something as changing an injector size is big work on OEM management

That depends on the age and design of the engine management.

Drive by wire systems are a pig yes and some of the more complex emission control stuff.

Older maf and map based load systems are much much easier.

Technoprisoner

TDR.ie wrote: »

I have to 100% disagree with you on this one . Aftermarket ecu's are designed for the end user , Everything in the software is there to set up from crank setting , TPS , MAP ect . Live mapping those isnt hard one you understand the basics of engine dynamics . I tune and set them up all the time , Its not rocket science

OEM stuff is a totally different ball game all , Its not designed for the end user and used totaly different torque , load theory's to aftermarket . Something as changing an injector size is big work on OEM management

and more questions , feel free to ask

what im saying is these ecus come with a base map on them already to get you started with all the crank angle triggers ect ....if he was given a completely blank ecu he would strugle with it.....also injector and maf scaling isnt actually that hard once you can log long mid and short term fuel trims

TDR.ie

Technoprisoner wrote: »

what im saying is these ecus come with a base map on them already to get you started with all the crank angle triggers ect ....if he was given a completely blank ecu he would strugle with it.....also injector and maf scaling isnt actually that hard once you can log long mid and short term fuel trims

Its actually very easy , once you know what your doing , depending on the setup and how fine or course you want your ignition tables to be .

NO aftermarket ecu is ever blank !!! , its need some type of calibration to even boot up

To calibrate the Crank , there is a few ways to do it . 1 tell the ecu what type of wheel you are using 32-2 36-1 ect , IN DTA there is a nice crank program to find out the crank pulse .

After that you need to give the ecu an offset to properly calibrate the degrees to the ecu . An other easy enough thing to set up

Let me know if you have any more question , Ill happy answer them