Northern Ireland resident

seabourne

As an Irish Citizen, with an Irish Passport, working in Dublin, paying my taxes in the Irish Republic but resident in Northern Ireland. Surely I can register to Vote?

Bottle_of_Smoke

No you have to be resident in the republic.

We vote for constituency representitives so as you are not resident in a constituency where would you vote?

It would kind of be like someone living in Belfast saying they should be able to vote in the Foyle constituency because if they work in Derry.

Richard

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

No you have to be resident in the republic.

We vote for constituency representitives so as you are not resident in a constituency where would you vote?

It would kind of be like someone living in Belfast saying they should be able to vote in the Foyle constituency because if they work in Derry.

It isn't as strict the other way round. Someone from the UK living outside the UK can vote by post in the last constituency they lived in.

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Richard wrote: »

It isn't as strict the other way round. Someone from the UK living outside the UK can vote by post in the last constituency they lived in.

That is the case for most countries. Ireland, though has never gone for that. Personally, I don't really see why there couldn't be a time-limited voting period after departure - e.g. tax-wise, you don't stop being "ordinarily resident" (for tax) in Ireland until 3 full tax-years have elapsed after the year of your departure, hence you could have a vote during that time period and lose it thereafter.

metrovelvet

I thought in the constitution the North was also considered Ireland. If they can run for president and in the Dail I dont see why they cant vote.

This country has major double think and consistency problems.

Bottle_of_Smoke

Richard wrote: »

It isn't as strict the other way round. Someone from the UK living outside the UK can vote by post in the last constituency they lived in.

The OP didn't ever live in a constituency in the 26 counties

Bottle_of_Smoke

metrovelvet wrote: »

I thought in the constitution the North was also considered Ireland. If they can run for president and in the Dail I dont see why they cant vote.

This country has major double think and consistency problems.

We vote by constituency for the GE, for constitutional referendums and presidency I am in complete agreement though.

munchkin_utd

metrovelvet wrote: »

I thought in the constitution the North was also considered Ireland. If they can run for president and in the Dail I dont see why they cant vote.

This country has major double think and consistency problems.

The last time i read the constitution the only premise on going for election for Dail or President is that you must be an irish citizen.

So even myself here in Germany could theoretically go for president!
Or a plastic paddy yank who has never stepped into the country in their life.

The constitution no longer says the north is Ireland. That was changed during the peace process.
"Ireland" the state is now is 26 counties, no more no less.
Northerners only have a right to an irish passport.

BTW, on reading the Westminister postal ballot bumpf, only BRITISH citizens abroad can vote by postal vote.
Northerners though ARE british citizens by birth whether they like it or not, so indeed, as british citizens, can exercise their NI vote if living in "Ireland"!!

NOTE: if you check the constitution, and EU entries and that, the country of the 26 counties is called "Ireland". Only the soccer team is officially termed "Republic Of Ireland" !!!
So when someone moves south from "Northern Ireland" ironically they are emigrating to "Ireland", as if they were never living there in the first place !!!!!

gizmo555

munchkin_utd wrote: »

Northerners though ARE british citizens by birth whether they like it or not,

Not true. The Good Friday Agreement includes an affirmation by both the Irish and UK governments that they

recognise the birthright of all the people of Northern Ireland to identify themselves and be accepted as Irish or British, or both, as they may so choose, and accordingly confirm that their right to hold both British and Irish citizenship is accepted by both Governments and would not be affected by any future change in the status of Northern Ireland.


Any Northerner who doesn't want to be a British citizen, is not.

munchkin_utd

read that passage again carefully.
They may choose to be identified as irish or british or both.

It's not they may choose to have one citizenship or other or both or indeed neither.
(subtle but fundamental difference)

They HAVE both, from the cradle to the grave.

So nationalists can call themselves Irish, but their underlying british citizenship still remains there.

My mother is born just over the border in Northern Ireland. She feels 100% Irish BUT being a british born person, is a british citizen whether she like it or not!!
She does not have to apply to be a british citizen if she wants a brit passport. Because again she IS a British citizen and has been since birth, like every other person born in Northern Ireland with Irish/ British/ EU decent.

A Dub in Glasgo

munchkin_utd wrote: »

BUT being a british born person, is a british citizen whether she like it or not!!

She can give up her British citizenship therefore your statement is not correct

Busterie

Dont you get peed off with these foreigners from Northern Ireland coming in to this country to claim social wlefare and vote for Sinn Fein.
We voted to recognise NI as a foreign country as you would say "Wise Up".

nordydan

Busterie wrote: »

Dont you get peed off with these foreigners from Northern Ireland coming in to this country to claim social wlefare and vote for Sinn Fein.
We voted to recognise NI as a foreign country as you would say "Wise Up".

You should take it up with your President!

Jim236

munchkin_utd wrote: »

The last time i read the constitution the only premise on going for election for Dail or President is that you must be an irish citizen.

So even myself here in Germany could theoretically go for president!
Or a plastic paddy yank who has never stepped into the country in their life.

The constitution no longer says the north is Ireland. That was changed during the peace process.
"Ireland" the state is now is 26 counties, no more no less.
Northerners only have a right to an irish passport.

BTW, on reading the Westminister postal ballot bumpf, only BRITISH citizens abroad can vote by postal vote.
Northerners though ARE british citizens by birth whether they like it or not, so indeed, as british citizens, can exercise their NI vote if living in "Ireland"!!

Our constitution still says anyone born on the island of Ireland is an Irish citizen. As part of the Good Friday Agreement, citizens in the North can choose to be Irish or British. So nobody is British, or indeed Irish, "whether they like it or not".

OS119

Jim236 wrote: »

Our constitution still says anyone born on the island of Ireland is an Irish citizen. As part of the Good Friday Agreement, citizens in the North can choose to be Irish or British. So nobody is British, or indeed Irish, "whether they like it or not".

technical question:

i assume that the definition of 'choosing whether to be a British or Irish Citizen' is which passport you decide to apply for/hold - so, if you haven't yet held/applied for a passport, which are you a citizen of?

i imagine that, being born in the UK, you'd be a British citizen by default until you made whatever declaration/action was neccesary to choose be an Irish citizen.

its a nice sentiment, but its not exactly satisfactory is it?