LPG GALWAY

davidino

Hi everybody!

Is there a LPG staion in glaway ?
Do you know the price per litre ?

Matt Simis

Id be interested to know if anyone has seen LPG forsale anywhere in Ireland this year at all.

keithclancy

davidino wrote: »

Hi everybody!

Is there a LPG staion in glaway ?
Do you know the price per litre ?

http://www.ilpga.ie/autogas-outlets.php#Galway

If thats even a current list anymore.

Matt Simis

keithclancy wrote: »

http://www.ilpga.ie/autogas-outlets.php#Galway

If thats even a current list anymore.

Its not, Ive rang some and it appears to be over 3 years out of date.

keithclancy

Matt Simis wrote: »

Its not, Ive rang some and it appears to be over 3 years out of date.

8.1km
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Texaco Filling Station
Purcell House IRL-Oranmore

(GALWAY)
Petrol pump on the back of gas station
0.939
09.05.2010

gas-tankstellen.de lists this one being there in may at 93.9c /litre

Max Power1

Matt Simis wrote: »

Id be interested to know if anyone has seen LPG forsale anywhere in Ireland this year at all.

Mcloughlins in newbridge have it afaik, along with a maxol garage somewhere off the N3 near blanch.

CiniO

I just rang one station in Castlebar - they have LPG for 1.04 euro per litre.

Seems to be quite expensive.

Tragedy

From being on english motoring forums, LPG seems to get around 66% of the MPG of a petrol engine. In the UK, LPG is half the cost of petrol, so you go about 33% further.

Here, to run on LPG costs a bit more than petrol and there are feck all stockists.

keithclancy

Tragedy wrote: »

From being on english motoring forums, LPG seems to get around 66% of the MPG of a petrol engine. In the UK, LPG is half the cost of petrol, so you go about 33% further.

Here, to run on LPG costs a bit more than petrol and there are feck all stockists.

Depends on the LPG System.

The Newer G3 systems have an ECU Piggyback which provides much better efficiency around 80%

Vialle being the biggest supplier.

Matt Simis

Very latest Liquid LPG injection systems (ie the version after the Multipoint type keithclancy mentions) are said to get over 3% increase in economy and power vs petrol.

Tragedy

Interesting. How much does a conversion cost?(Ballpark figure, I know it changes based on specifics)

Matt Simis

Tragedy wrote: »

Interesting. How much does a conversion cost?(Ballpark figure, I know it changes based on specifics)

I asked a bunch of places for my Audi S8 (V8) and got prices from £1650 to £2100 all in for Multipoint systems in Northern Ireland. In Britain proper prices seem to be a little less, but its a big investment anyhow.

Tragedy

That's not bad at all, doesn't seem to be any more expensive than the older LPG systems when they were relatively new.

I tried find out how much excise duty there is on LPG here, all I could find was a 2000 document that stated that Autogas excise duty was already the EU minimum.

CiniO

I don't know where you get information guys, but modern LPG conversion, can make your LPG fuel consumption almost the same as on petrol (assuming it's properly adjusted). Difference should be less than 5%.

About 10 years ago I used to have a conversion on my Fiat Cinquecento 0.9 litre, and fuel consumption rose from average 6l/100km to 8l/100km (which is only 25% rise).
And that was the so called first generation of lpg conversions, so no electronics involved. Pure mechanical mixer.

Anything more modern will be more efficient.

I also had conversion on fiat bravo 1.6, and average fuel consumption rose from 9l/100km to 10/l100km. It was still conversion with mechanical mixer, but with electronically adjusted step engine, which gave it way better efficiency.

Anything modern with LPG injectors, will give you almost the same fuel efficiecy as on petrol.

I don't know about cost - someone mentioned £2000 in UK - looks very expensive.
I know in Poland you can get most cars converted for something up to €700. In worst case up to €1000 on some unusual cars.

But still considering the cost of LPG in Ireland, it seems to be not really worth it.

Tragedy

CiniO wrote: »

I don't know where you get information guys, but modern LPG conversion, can make your LPG fuel consumption almost the same as on petrol (assuming it's properly adjusted). Difference should be less than 5%.

About 10 years ago I used to have a conversion on my Fiat Cinquecento 0.9 litre, and fuel consumption rose from average 6l/100km to 8l/100km (which is only 25% rise).
And that was the so called first generation of lpg conversions, so no electronics involved. Pure mechanical mixer.

Anything more modern will be more efficient.

I also had conversion on fiat bravo 1.6, and average fuel consumption rose from 9l/100km to 10/l100km. It was still conversion with mechanical mixer, but with electronically adjusted step engine, which gave it way better efficiency.

Anything modern with LPG injectors, will give you almost the same fuel efficiecy as on petrol.

I don't know about cost - someone mentioned £2000 in UK - looks very expensive.
I know in Poland you can get most cars converted for something up to €700. In worst case up to €1000 on some unusual cars.

But still considering the cost of LPG in Ireland, it seems to be not really worth it.

My info is based on owners of Rover 75's, MG ZT's and Volvo 5 cylinder engines getting LPG conversions done in the mid 2000's.

Matt Simis

CiniO wrote: »

But still considering the cost of LPG in Ireland, it seems to be not really worth it.

On a Fiat Cinquecento no, but on something with low (under 25)MPG the effect of cheaper fuel has dramatically greater effect. You can use the Calc I made and simply substitute "Diesel" MPG and price for the LPG equivalents.

Eg, 20k miles a year
Petrol € 1.41 / LPG 1.04
MPG on Petrol 22mpg
MPG on LPG 20mpg (estimate)
Total Petrol cost: €5,761
Total LPG cost: €4,674
Saving of LPG: €1087 per year.

And thats with a not very good LPG price, someplaces in NI have it at €.70 a litre.

CiniO

Matt Simis wrote: »

On a Fiat Cinquecento no, but on something with low (under 25)MPG the effect of cheaper fuel has dramatically greater effect. You can use the Calc I made and simply substitute "Diesel" MPG and price for the LPG equivalents.

That's true but it's not as simple as that.

Let's take a car that does 14 l/100km (about 20MPG). Assume on LPG it will do 15 l/100km

Petrol price: €1.45
LPG price: €1.05

Cost of 100km on petrol: 14*1.45 = €20.3
Cost of 100km on LPG: 15*1.05 = €15.75

+ if you are using LPG you have to start your car on petrol, and when it get's warm it switches automatically to LPG. That's extra cost for petrol. Let's add €1 euro petrol extra for every 100km, for starting (on average)

You are saving only €3.55 on each 100km.

Now cost of conversion (let's take €1500). Extra maintenance needed for the conversion kit (servicing, changing gas filter, fixing, adjusting,(€150 annually).


So if someone drives 30,000 km annually, let's take a look.

Saving on LPG (300 * 3.55 = €1065) annually.

Costs:
1st year: 1500
2nd year: 150
3rd year and so on: 150.

So after 1 year you still will be short of 435 euro.
After 2 year you saved 480
After third year: 1395
After fourth year: 2310
After fifht year: 3225

So if you have very uneconomical car, and drive a lot, then let's say it is worth it (like in example during 5 years you saved over €3k) Assuming that there's not any additional problems, and that difference in price between petrol and LPG stays the same for the whole time.

But with more fuel efficient cars, and for someone who drives less, doesn't really make sense IMHO.

Take under consideration as well, that LPG conversion has many disadvantages. You have to put the gas tank somewhere. It might be put instead of your spare wheel, but that tanks are not the biggest (up to 40 litres). So your car would do only about 250km on a tank. Considering how many LPG stations is there in Ireland it might be a big problem.
You can obviously put bigger tank, but it will take half of your boot.
Car's with LPG are not allowed into many underground parkings, or to Channel tunnel train. And some engines wear faster on LPG, so after 5 years and 150k kms, you might need to do some work with your engine.