Which Canyon?

gerryr36

Having a hard time chosing a frame set. Thinking about pulling the trigger on a canyon Ultimate AL. Has a decent predigree with many top 10's in the spring Classics - ie planty goo for me! Have been using a Trek 1200 so think this will be an upgrade in all departments. I could go for the Ultimate CF too but this might get ruined in a crash and will be alot more fragile if I go abroad with the bike. What do you guys think?

DonVincenzo

gerryr36 wrote: »

Having a hard time chosing a frame set. Thinking about pulling the trigger on a canyon Ultimate AL. Has a decent predigree with many top 10's in the spring Classics - ie planty goo for me! Have been using a Trek 1200 so think this will be an upgrade in all departments. I could go for the Ultimate CF too but this might get ruined in a crash and will be alot more fragile if I go abroad with the bike. What do you guys think?

Gerryr36 - A mate of mine has had a Canyon Ultimate AL for about 2 years & its a magnificent machine. Amazing value, great build & savage weight.

He's got a PX also, but uses the Canyon Ultimate AL as his summer/race machine. Can't recommend it highly enough.

gerryr36

DonVincenzo wrote: »

Gerryr36 - A mate of mine has had a Canyon Ultimate AL for about 2 years & its a magnificent machine. Amazing value, great build & savage weight.

He's got a PX also, but uses the Canyon Ultimate AL as his summer/race machine. Can't recommend it highly enough.

Cheers for that. It seems like a good frame. If I build it up with a decent groupo and wheels it should easily hit 6.8kg. I was wondering will I be missing out on much by sticking with aluminium? They money I save could go towards Zipps or maybe a quarq/second hand SRM...

Lemag

gerryr36 wrote: »

If I build it up with a decent groupo and wheels it should easily hit 6.8kg.

Don't think that it'll be that easy. I've got last year's CF (it's advertised weight was less than this year's CF) in a size 52. Mine is currently at about 6.3kg but this was only after some extreme weight weenieism. The AL 9.0 SL is advertised at 7.25 kg. This is with SRAM Force (about the same weight as DA) and Ksyrium Elites (1550g) so shaving off that extra 425g would be quite tough/expensive I'd imagine.

Roadrat

gerryr36 wrote: »

Having a hard time chosing a frame set. Thinking about pulling the trigger on a canyon Ultimate AL. Has a decent predigree with many top 10's in the spring Classics - ie planty goo for me! Have been using a Trek 1200 so think this will be an upgrade in all departments. I could go for the Ultimate CF too but this might get ruined in a crash and will be alot more fragile if I go abroad with the bike. What do you guys think?

I was in same predicament as you last month.Eventually went for the CF. It was on offer in the "Outlet" section (i.e. bargain basement) of their site.
Look on the positive side you may never crash!!! and even if you do Canyon have a frame replacement policy for a nominal sum I understand with 5 or 7 year warranty.

Thats my tuppence worth anyhow and I'm glad I went carbon.

Lumen

The AL is nicer looking.

amjon.

Canyon also knock a chunk off their frames if you have a valid racing liscense.

http://www.canyon.com/_en/service/sponsoring.html

I heard they are very stiff. I think the CF is one of the best value frames out there - not meant to be any appreciable difference between it and the SLX.

amjon.

Lumen wrote: »

The AL is nicer looking.

That sounds like a pretty good excuse to buy the AL as a training bike after you've bought the CF :pac:

Lemag

Roadrat wrote: »

Look on the positive side you may never crash!!! and even if you do Canyon have a frame replacement policy for a nominal sum I understand with 5 or 7 year warranty.

AFAIK (And I'm too lazy to look for it on their site) one can buy a replacement frame at half price which is hardly nominal. Also, and again I'm too lazy to check this out, there could be the added cost of sending the damaged frame back to them.

Lumen wrote: »

The AL is nicer looking.

In the flesh or on the Canyon website? The images on the site are fairly flat so it'd be unfair (to any CF owners out there) to judge from that alone.

-edit-
Just took a look at the Canyon crash replacement policy there. One has to pay 50% for a replacement within the 1st year, 60% within the 2nd year and 70% within the 3rd year and the crashed frame has to be returned.

-edit 2-
The above applies to the V-Drome AL. The percentages differ with each frameset.

Chips Lovell

Aluminium breaks too.

Lumen

Lemag wrote: »

In the flesh or on the Canyon website? The images on the site are fairly flat so it'd be unfair (to any CF owners out there) to judge from that alone.

I've seen a Canyon CF in the flesh and thought it looked fine. Then Raam commented on the ugliness of the seat tube profile, and that starting eating away at my Canyon lust until all I could see was a great fat cankle squatting grossly over the bottom bracket. I haven't seen an AL except in pics, but I have a Cube with the same finish and it looks great; the lines of the AL are lovely and clean.

I'd hope that people don't feel personally insulted by someone's subjective opinion of their bike. It's only a bit of fun

Lemag

Lumen wrote: »

Then Raam commented on the ugliness of the seat tube profile, and that starting eating away at my Canyon lust until all I could see was a great fat cankle squatting grossly over the bottom bracket.

I believe that this is to make more flattering the cankles of the dentists mentioned in this thread It would seem as though Canyon are trying to get a slice of this market from Cervelo.

Roadrat

Lemag wrote: »

I believe that this is to make more flattering the cankles of the dentists mentioned in this thread It would seem as though Canyon are trying to get a slice of this market from Cervelo.

Cankles ? dentists ? WTF?

Lemag

Roadrat wrote: »

Cankles ? dentists ? WTF?

In the linked thread niceonetom anecdotally mentions dentists as a demographic profile that Cervelo are targeting with their RS model. You'll have to read the thread to understand the context. Also, the design of the seattube which Lumen critisized was the subject of a lawsuit which Canyon took and won against Cervelo link

Lumen

Roadrat wrote: »

Cankles ?

doozerie

Lumen wrote: »

Then Raam commented on the ugliness of the seat tube profile, and that starting eating away at my Canyon lust until all I could see was a great fat cankle squatting grossly over the bottom bracket.

So my Canyon is built for comfort, and not for speed? I actually bought a Cankleyon? Bad news. So maybe it's not my fault that I'm so slow then. Good news, the glass is half full!

Lemag

doozerie wrote: »

So my Canyon is built for comfort, and not for speed? I actually bought a Cankleyon? Bad news. So maybe it's not my fault that I'm so slow then. Good news, the glass is half full!

Nah it was the geometry of the Cervelo that niceonetom was cribbing about in this thread. Read from post 26 onwards. I presume that the Canyon's fat seattube would only add to its stiffness and therefore make it more racy.

If the OP has been put off but Lumen's cankle assertions then perhaps they should consider the Aeroad CF about which Lumen can get back to his lustful thoughts.

Any chance of Canyon giving such generous discounts again during the TDF? Probably not

christeb

Here's my CF, I do love her even if she's a bit of an ugly duckling. Super light though, I think its about 7.1 kg for a 60 cm frame (Shamal wheels / DA groupset).

Those Aeroad's are tasty aren't they?

Lumen

Lemag wrote: »

If the OP has been put off but Lumen's cankle assertions then perhaps they should consider the Aeroad CF about which Lumen can get back to his lustful thoughts.

There's just no pleasing some people.

Lemag

Fixed that for you. Now you can break out the kleenex.

Lemag

christeb wrote: »

Here's my CF, I do love her even if she's a bit of an ugly duckling. Super light though, I think its about 7.1 kg for a 60 cm frame (Shamal wheels / DA groupset).

Nice bling!

christeb wrote: »

Those Aeroad's are tasty aren't they?

IMO, yep.

doozerie

Lemag wrote:

Nah it was the geometry of the Cervelo that niceonetom was cribbing about in this thread. Read from post 26 onwards. I presume that the Canyon's fat seattube would only add to its stiffness and therefore make it more racy.

Yes, I believe that design is intended to increase stiffness around the bottom bracket. I've certainly found my frame (CF SLX) to be very stiff (but still comfortable).

The aesthetics of the frame are certainly very much personal taste. As I've discovered, I'm a bit "easy" when it comes to frame aesthetics. From a distance I do admire good looking frames but once I'm on the bike I stop caring what it looks like. With my Canyon I wasn't entirely convinced about its appearance when I took it out of the box the first time. The frame shape, colour (black), and finish were not what I would have chosen if money were no object. However, the bike feels great in use and probably as a result of being impressed by the ride the appearance of the frame has grown on me to the point that I now like the look of the frame too.

So it turns out I'm quite the bike slut, won over by a good ride regardless of all other considerations. That Aeroad doesn't do much for me mind you, but on a dark day and if I haven't been on a bike for a while, I just might...

amjon.

I'm not a fan of the Aero road either, not a patch on the S2 for example. The CF/SLX look decent tho - right up there with the R3.

cormpat

amjon. wrote: »

Canyon also knock a chunk off their frames if you have a valid racing liscense.

http://www.canyon.com/_en/service/sponsoring.html

Do they include the discount if you want to buy a whole bike or is just the frame?

Lemag

cormpat wrote: »

Do they include the discount if you want to buy a whole bike or is just the frame?

Just the fameset I'd imagine. As they manufacture it they can afford to take a hit. It'd be a different story with the components. However, if you were looking to buy a complete bike from them you might ring them to ask if they would give you the discount for the frame. From my own experience regarding a different query they were very obliging.