Ricco in hospital

ROK ON · 07-02-2011 9:23pm #1

Shane Stokes is reporting that Ricco has been admitted to hospital for kidney failure.

While not wishing the man any harm, ISTR an allegation made years ago by an Irish rugby journalist that Jonah Lomus kidney problems may have been caused by steroid abuse?

Are there links between doping and kidney failure?

CheGuedara · 07-02-2011 9:43pm

Heh, when I saw the thread title my first though was 'for surgery to extract his head from his ass'.

A quick blitz of pubmed shows a few articles about renal failure with steroid abuse but it's more frequently to do with anabolics and weight lifters, still with his history you'd have to suspect it's not a 'naturally occuring' kidney problem.

lescol · 07-02-2011 9:54pm

Too many natural causes of kidney failure to jump to any conclusion. However, if his kidneys fail then he could be prescribed EPO to prevent anaemia!

JacksonHeightsOwn · 07-02-2011 10:00pm

i know if you eat loads of tablets that can wreck your liver

i dont have the letters DR before my name, or any others after it, but i think im right :rolleyes:

07-02-2011 10:19pm

Maybe I should know, but who is Ricco?

lescol · 07-02-2011 10:25pm

The hypochondriacs website:- http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/k/kidney_failure/causes.htm
be careful with the paracetamol and ibuprofen

ullu · 07-02-2011 10:39pm

531 wrote: »

Maybe I should know, but who is Ricco?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riccardo_Ricco

niceonetom · 08-02-2011 12:07am

When the tour comes around who am I going to shout abuse at now?

I was quite looking forward to that.

biomed32 · 08-02-2011 2:41am

Im not a doctor but do have a degree in biomedical sciences and a basic understanding of pharmacology. abuse of the drug EPO and CERA can lead to blood clotting. the main areas affected are the heart, lungs and brain but can occur anywhere else in the body. if his illness is related to the abuse of this hormone im guessing he threw a clot and it blocked the renal vessals

08-02-2011 7:20am

ullu wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riccardo_Ricco

Thanks Ullu, he seems like a good one alright!

Lumen · 08-02-2011 7:43am

I am medically qualified to use Google, and that tells me that (a) EPO increases haematocrit, (b) high haematocrit can cause high blood pressure, and (c) high blood pressure can cause kidney damage.

FACT! :pac:

Junior · 08-02-2011 9:34am

ROK ON wrote: »

Shane Stokes is reporting that Ricco has been admitted to hospital for kidney failure.

While not wishing the man any harm, ISTR an allegation made years ago by an Irish rugby journalist that Jonah Lomus kidney problems may have been caused by steroid abuse?

Are there links between doping and kidney failure?

That's Irish Rugby journalists for you..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephrotic_syndrome is what Lomu had..

cantalach · 08-02-2011 11:22am

And high testosterone levels can contribute to hair loss. I'm just saying...

Caroline_ie · 08-02-2011 11:27am

cantalach wrote: »

And high testosterone levels can contribute to hair loss. I'm just saying...

Bad genes too.

cantalach · 08-02-2011 11:57am

Caroline_ie wrote: »

Bad genes too.

Agreed. I'm not really suggesting TB is doping because as far as any of us can tell, he is a clean rider (my "I'm just saying..." above is misleading in hindsight). If anything, I'm making the opposite point in defense of Ricco. There are numerous medical conditions that can occur naturally as well as being side-effects of doping.

Gavb · 08-02-2011 12:57pm

ullu wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riccardo_Ricco

This made me giggle:

"CERA's manufacturer Roche Pharmaceuticals" :eek:

Just sayin' like...

cantalach · 08-02-2011 1:13pm

Gavb wrote: »

This made me giggle:

"CERA's manufacturer Roche Pharmaceuticals" :eek:

Just sayin' like...

Roche the pharma company is pronounced 'Rosh'.

Captain Havoc · 08-02-2011 1:20pm

cantalach wrote: »

Roche the pharma company is pronounced 'Rosh'.

Aren't they in Clare?

tomasrojo · 08-02-2011 1:22pm

cantalach wrote: »

Roche the pharma company is pronounced 'Rosh'.

I guess that's why the Fall single was called "Rowche Rumble".

Rather good song too, if you like that sort of thing (which I do).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDZDgF2H7vU

tomasrojo · 08-02-2011 1:24pm

Captain Havoc wrote: »

Aren't they in Clare?

Clarecastle, I think.

cantalach · 08-02-2011 2:53pm

Captain Havoc wrote: »

Aren't they in Clare?

Yep. Big factory on the left as you come into Clarecastle from Limerick.

Edit: Sorry, must refresh browser before replying

papac · 08-02-2011 3:06pm

cantalach wrote: »

Roche the pharma company is pronounced 'Rosh'.

On council estates near where I grew up it was most certainly pronounced Roche as in Steven and Nico.

"Go and ask Mrs Murphy for a couple of Roche 5's till I get to the doctors." was a common enough errand for kids in the 70's when 50% of housewives were valium addicts.

lukester · 08-02-2011 4:23pm

Just coming out in Gazzetta dello Sport that Ricco admitted to a medic, and in the presence of his fiancee, that he gave himself a blood transfusion. He had kept the blood in the fridge for 25 days and was worried that it had gone bad.

He's a reformed character alright.

Edit: google translated

Junior · 08-02-2011 5:45pm

Makes a mockery of The UCI Passport and Aldo Sassi's memory, also makes you wonder how the f*ck do you detect this method of 'doping'

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/7360/Ricco-being-investigated-for-doping-after-apparent-admission-to-medical-doctor.aspx

C3PO · 08-02-2011 6:23pm

That's pretty scarey reading ..... self administered blood transfusion ..... blood in the fridge for a month etc! He doesn't come across as the brightest chap? Still I wouldn't wish kidney failure on anyone! I wonder how many more of them are doing this?

Junior · 08-02-2011 6:36pm

Good to see his team are abreast of the situation

http://www.vacansoleildcm.co.uk/nieuws/riccardo-ricco-misses-out-on-tour-mediterraneen.html

cantalach · 08-02-2011 6:39pm

CyclingNews.com covering it now too:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/italian-police-investigate-ricco-for-blood-doping

You have to wonder why he was blood doping in the off season. I guess if you are trying to beat the blood passport you have to maintain your (artificially) high parameters all year around?

cantalach · 08-02-2011 6:43pm

Junior wrote: »

also makes you wonder how the f*ck do you detect this method of 'doping'

That's where the new test for plasticisers in the blood comes in.

Junior · 08-02-2011 9:43pm

cantalach wrote: »

You have to wonder why he was blood doping in the off season. I guess if you are trying to beat the blood passport you have to maintain your (artificially) high parameters all year around?

Two reasons

1 - either to keep the passport up to a certain level
2 - he was also aiming for the Mont Faron Stage in Tour of the Med.

mo_bhicycle · 08-02-2011 10:11pm

Junior wrote: »

Two reasons

1 - either to keep the passport up to a certain level
2 - he was also aiming for the Mont Faron Stage in Tour of the Med.

Didn't Ricco have a cert for a high hematocrit before he got caught for CERA?
I wonder does he still have this?

tomasrojo · 08-02-2011 11:31pm

RPL1 wrote: »

That's pretty scarey reading ..... self administered blood transfusion ..... blood in the fridge for a month etc!

I think I know where he got this idea from.

[Kramer is at the County Blood Bank.]

KRAMER: My service rates went up? You banks are all the same with your hidden fees and your service charges. Well, maybe I'll just take my blood elsewhere, yeah.

BANK EMPLOYEE: Well, we can transfer to another bank for you.

KRAMER: Oh, no no no...no more banks. I'm keeping my blood in my freezer with...my money!

http://www.seinology.com/scripts/script-160.shtml

Ricco in hospital

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