Ricco in hospital

ROK ON

Shane Stokes is reporting that Ricco has been admitted to hospital for kidney failure.

While not wishing the man any harm, ISTR an allegation made years ago by an Irish rugby journalist that Jonah Lomus kidney problems may have been caused by steroid abuse?

Are there links between doping and kidney failure?

CheGuedara

Heh, when I saw the thread title my first though was 'for surgery to extract his head from his ass'.

A quick blitz of pubmed shows a few articles about renal failure with steroid abuse but it's more frequently to do with anabolics and weight lifters, still with his history you'd have to suspect it's not a 'naturally occuring' kidney problem.

lescol

Too many natural causes of kidney failure to jump to any conclusion. However, if his kidneys fail then he could be prescribed EPO to prevent anaemia!

JacksonHeightsOwn

i know if you eat loads of tablets that can wreck your liver

i dont have the letters DR before my name, or any others after it, but i think im right :rolleyes:

531

Maybe I should know, but who is Ricco?

lescol

The hypochondriacs website:- http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/k/kidney_failure/causes.htm
be careful with the paracetamol and ibuprofen

ullu

531 wrote: »

Maybe I should know, but who is Ricco?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riccardo_Ricco

niceonetom

When the tour comes around who am I going to shout abuse at now?

I was quite looking forward to that.

biomed32

Im not a doctor but do have a degree in biomedical sciences and a basic understanding of pharmacology. abuse of the drug EPO and CERA can lead to blood clotting. the main areas affected are the heart, lungs and brain but can occur anywhere else in the body. if his illness is related to the abuse of this hormone im guessing he threw a clot and it blocked the renal vessals

531

ullu wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riccardo_Ricco

Thanks Ullu, he seems like a good one alright!

Lumen

I am medically qualified to use Google, and that tells me that (a) EPO increases haematocrit, (b) high haematocrit can cause high blood pressure, and (c) high blood pressure can cause kidney damage.

FACT! :pac:

Junior

ROK ON wrote: »

Shane Stokes is reporting that Ricco has been admitted to hospital for kidney failure.

While not wishing the man any harm, ISTR an allegation made years ago by an Irish rugby journalist that Jonah Lomus kidney problems may have been caused by steroid abuse?

Are there links between doping and kidney failure?

That's Irish Rugby journalists for you..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephrotic_syndrome is what Lomu had..

cantalach

And high testosterone levels can contribute to hair loss. I'm just saying...

Caroline_ie

cantalach wrote: »

And high testosterone levels can contribute to hair loss. I'm just saying...

Bad genes too.

cantalach

Caroline_ie wrote: »

Bad genes too.

Agreed. I'm not really suggesting TB is doping because as far as any of us can tell, he is a clean rider (my "I'm just saying..." above is misleading in hindsight). If anything, I'm making the opposite point in defense of Ricco. There are numerous medical conditions that can occur naturally as well as being side-effects of doping.

Gavb

ullu wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riccardo_Ricco

This made me giggle:

"CERA's manufacturer Roche Pharmaceuticals" :eek:

Just sayin' like...

cantalach

Gavb wrote: »

This made me giggle:

"CERA's manufacturer Roche Pharmaceuticals" :eek:

Just sayin' like...

Roche the pharma company is pronounced 'Rosh'.

Captain Havoc

cantalach wrote: »

Roche the pharma company is pronounced 'Rosh'.

Aren't they in Clare?

tomasrojo

cantalach wrote: »

Roche the pharma company is pronounced 'Rosh'.

I guess that's why the Fall single was called "Rowche Rumble".

Rather good song too, if you like that sort of thing (which I do).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDZDgF2H7vU

tomasrojo

Captain Havoc wrote: »

Aren't they in Clare?

Clarecastle, I think.

cantalach

Captain Havoc wrote: »

Aren't they in Clare?

Yep. Big factory on the left as you come into Clarecastle from Limerick.

Edit: Sorry, must refresh browser before replying

papac

cantalach wrote: »

Roche the pharma company is pronounced 'Rosh'.

On council estates near where I grew up it was most certainly pronounced Roche as in Steven and Nico.

"Go and ask Mrs Murphy for a couple of Roche 5's till I get to the doctors." was a common enough errand for kids in the 70's when 50% of housewives were valium addicts.

lukester

Just coming out in Gazzetta dello Sport that Ricco admitted to a medic, and in the presence of his fiancee, that he gave himself a blood transfusion. He had kept the blood in the fridge for 25 days and was worried that it had gone bad.

He's a reformed character alright.

Edit: google translated

Junior

Makes a mockery of The UCI Passport and Aldo Sassi's memory, also makes you wonder how the f*ck do you detect this method of 'doping'

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/7360/Ricco-being-investigated-for-doping-after-apparent-admission-to-medical-doctor.aspx

C3PO

That's pretty scarey reading ..... self administered blood transfusion ..... blood in the fridge for a month etc! He doesn't come across as the brightest chap? Still I wouldn't wish kidney failure on anyone! I wonder how many more of them are doing this?

Junior

Good to see his team are abreast of the situation

http://www.vacansoleildcm.co.uk/nieuws/riccardo-ricco-misses-out-on-tour-mediterraneen.html

cantalach

CyclingNews.com covering it now too:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/italian-police-investigate-ricco-for-blood-doping

You have to wonder why he was blood doping in the off season. I guess if you are trying to beat the blood passport you have to maintain your (artificially) high parameters all year around?

cantalach

Junior wrote: »

also makes you wonder how the f*ck do you detect this method of 'doping'

That's where the new test for plasticisers in the blood comes in.

Junior

cantalach wrote: »

You have to wonder why he was blood doping in the off season. I guess if you are trying to beat the blood passport you have to maintain your (artificially) high parameters all year around?

Two reasons

1 - either to keep the passport up to a certain level
2 - he was also aiming for the Mont Faron Stage in Tour of the Med.

mo_bhicycle

Junior wrote: »

Two reasons

1 - either to keep the passport up to a certain level
2 - he was also aiming for the Mont Faron Stage in Tour of the Med.

Didn't Ricco have a cert for a high hematocrit before he got caught for CERA?
I wonder does he still have this?

tomasrojo

RPL1 wrote: »

That's pretty scarey reading ..... self administered blood transfusion ..... blood in the fridge for a month etc!

I think I know where he got this idea from.

[Kramer is at the County Blood Bank.]

KRAMER: My service rates went up? You banks are all the same with your hidden fees and your service charges. Well, maybe I'll just take my blood elsewhere, yeah.

BANK EMPLOYEE: Well, we can transfer to another bank for you.

KRAMER: Oh, no no no...no more banks. I'm keeping my blood in my freezer with...my money!

http://www.seinology.com/scripts/script-160.shtml

leftism

La Republica are reporting that in addition to kidney failure, he also had a pulmonary oedema due to reinfusing tainted blood which had been stored for over 25 days. He nearly died by all accounts! President of Italian Cycling commented saying "It is better if Ricco stays away from cycling for good".

Mad altogether!

leftism

http://www.repubblica.it/sport/ciclismo/2011/02/08/news/ricc_procura_apre_fascicolo-12212942/

Theres the link for the Italian literate out there... Those who have achieved a zenlike state of Euroness should have no problems (Raam, i'm looking in your direction)!

tomasrojo

With my limited Italian it certainly looks as if it jibes with the reports in this thread: self-administered blood transfusion, blood kept in the fridge for 25 days, subsequent kidney failure and emergency hospitalisation, prosecutor has opened a file, Federal President says it would be better if he left the sport,

Jawgap

leftism wrote: »

La Republica are reporting that in addition to kidney failure, he also had a pulmonary oedema due to reinfusing tainted blood which had been stored for over 25 days. He nearly died by all accounts! President of Italian Cycling commented saying "It is better if Ricco stays away from cycling for good".

Mad altogether!

May he just needs to stay away from needles and leave the tranfusing to the professionals..........and by that I mean doctors.......:)

Raam

Junior wrote: »

Good to see his team are abreast of the situation

http://www.vacansoleildcm.co.uk/nieuws/riccardo-ricco-misses-out-on-tour-mediterraneen.html

http://twitter.com/VacansoleilDCM/status/35035162265915392

Earlier given information from Italy on cause of Ricco's high body temp is possibly be wrong.Team starts investigation looking for facts.

buzzingnoise

Caroline_ie wrote: »

Bad genes too.

Bad genes?? I'll take increased muscle mass and increased bone density over man boobs, reduced libido and luscious locks any day.

leftism

If he has already admitted in hospital and on front of witnesses to self transfusing, how can they come out with these statements? Clutching at straws by the sounds of it!

Chips Lovell

leftism wrote: »

If he has already admitted in hospital and on front of witnesses to self transfusing, how can they come out with these statements? Clutching at straws by the sounds of it!

Well, it worked for Armstrong.

leftism

Fair point, but that particular conversation was dug up years after it happened and Lance was in hospital at the time for very different reasons.

You also didn't have every national newspaper all over the story like a rash within 24 hours. If the papers are happy to publish Ricco's apparent confession the day it happened, then they must be confident that the story holds up to legal scrutiny...

The headline of the story in La Republica yesterday was basically "Authentic suicide attempt by Ricco". Either you're the ballsiest editor ever, or your happy that all sources have been checked and verified...

lukester

leftism wrote: »

The headline of the story in La Republica yesterday was basically "Authentic suicide attempt by Ricco". Either you're the ballsiest editor ever, or your happy that all sources have been checked and verified...

The rest of the story in La Repubblica goes on to say:

If the revelations emanating from Modena are really true, the Riccardo Riccò incident...risks becoming a veritable suicide. Not only for the possibly damaging complications arising from the illness itself, but above all for the consequences to his career in the sport.

Sounds like the editor is playing it pretty safe to me.

emtroche

Couple of things:

Its pronounced Roche (as in stephen and nicholas) not Rosh. Any other spelling or pronunciation is just wrong!

Also, my girlfriend is a biomedical scientist who works in the blood bank. When i showed her that story she was absolutely mortified. Keeping untreated blood for that long is total bonkers apparently! (But then again she is new to cycling!)

emtroche

emtroche wrote: »

Its pronounced Roche (as in stephen and nicholas)

And Emmet obviously!!:)

100Suns

That's this year's Darwin Award sorted.

Their Motto is apt in so many ways:

A Chronicle of Enterprising Demises - Honoring those who improve the species...by accidentally removing themselves from it!

Junior

Ricardo Ricco denies the autotransfusion, as has been told BICICICLISMO. Italian cyclist says he did not say anything Pavullo doctor reported him and he responded at first in the early hours of Sunday. Ricco says the doctor told him that there had been a transfusion with a blood bag which he kept in the refrigerator of their home.

The Vacansoleil climber denies accusations Pavullo doctor says his condition when he entered the hospital was so bad that he could not speak, as has been told BICICICLISMO. That is the line that will maintain once you meet with your lawyer. Ricco is admitted to the hospital Baggiovara (Modena), where progressing well after entering in critical condition with high fever and renal failure, on Sunday.

The doctor Pavullo Ricco says he confessed to having made "himself an autotransfusion of blood preserved in the refrigerator in her house for 25 days."

Accordingly, the District Attorney's Office Anti-Doping Italian Olympic Committee (CONI) has opened disciplinary proceedings against Ricco. And the prosecutor of Modena opened a case on alleged violation of anti-doping law. The prosecutor Pasquale Mazzei received a medical report Pavullo hospital where on Sunday morning attended for the first time Ricco, who was presented to the emergency room in critical condition, while it was rushed to hospital Baggiovara (Modena) .

According to the doctor's testimony, Ricco was in a state of shock and said, "in front of his girlfriend" (Vania Rossi) who had become "himself an autotransfusion of blood preserved in the refrigerator in her house for 25 days "He expressed his fear" if the storage of blood would be poor. "

Translated version of this http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=35435

cantalach

emtroche wrote: »

Its pronounced Roche (as in stephen and nicholas) not Rosh. Any other spelling or pronunciation is just wrong!

OK, we're better wrap up this tangent quick before mods get sh1tty about it. Here's all I can say with certainty...

I worked from 2000-2004 at a company who supplied database software to the pharma industry. Roche Pharmaceuticals were among our clients. When we first started working with them, we naturally assumed the same pronunciation as the Norman-Irish surname. We were quickly set straight by Roche employees who told us that in the case of the pharma company, it was the original French word and therefore pronounced much closer (albeit subtly different) to 'rosh'.

The audio clip of the correct pronunciation of the French word here seems to agree with me.

Btw, I'm not arrogant enough to be trying to tell you how to pronounce your own name! I'm just saying that the accepted Anglicised pronunciation for the Norman-Irish surname is quite different to the original French word/surname.