Pav wants out..

Hatch99

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/876905/roman-pavlyuchenko:-i-want-to-leave-spurs?cc=5739

Cant blame him in fairness...

BERBA

i'd let him go provided we got majority of 13.8m we paid for him , if im honest anything over 10m and i'll gift wrap him

Hatch99

BERBA wrote: »

i'd let him go provided we got majority of 13.8m we paid for him , if im honest anything over 10m and i'll gift wrap him

Be lucky to get 8 id say unless it's one of the rich russian clubs..

2nd Row Donkey

*nods in agreement* - but only if we have a replacement lined up first!

Looking at Wiki, he has a one goal per 3 game average for spurs and nearly a 1 in 2 career average. He's hugely frustrating at times but he can do nothing for 80min and then score a brillant goal.

ziedth

Take Care Pav, I wouldn't have anything against him. He tried it just didn't click for him.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Ah Pav, loved him! Did my head in sometimes but he's such a classy man! Wouldn't hold it against him if he was to hand in a transfer request and then leave, he scored some great goals for us over the past few years. I'd be expecting at least £10m for him, not worth selling him otherwise.

yiddo59

ziedth wrote: »

Take Care Pav, I wouldn't have anything against him. He tried it just didn't click for him.

Tried what? Not getting stuck in anyway. Pity he didn't try and get his finger out cos he's undoubedly talented and the best finisher at the club. Though thats not much to write home about. He's as lazy as sin pity he didn't go during the window.

WHL

Agree totally with yiddo59. Get a replacement and let him go. You have to watch him live to see how lazy he can be

ziedth

True, I don't mean that he's a Gary Doherty of All heart and no skill.

I'd want 8-10m at least going by Bent/Carrols money.

Emoran

One of my favourite spurs players ! scores some fantastic goals... to be hoenst i think we have a major problem with our team selection, i dont think pav was given a fair crack at it... its tough to come into a team and play the odd game or 10 minutes here and there !
If he had of been given 4 or 5 starts and given a few more 90 minutes on the pitch i think he could have been fantastic ! looks like harry just dislikes him. I understand he is lazy but he is also very talented. we seen his goal run last year 8 goals in 8 games(most of which from sub apperances) and then he's benched yet again!
shame to see him go if he does... loved his time here tho

mushykeogh

Emoran wrote: »

One of my favourite spurs players ! scores some fantastic goals... to be hoenst i think we have a major problem with our team selection, i dont think pav was given a fair crack at it... its tough to come into a team and play the odd game or 10 minutes here and there !
If he had of been given 4 or 5 starts and given a few more 90 minutes on the pitch i think he could have been fantastic ! looks like harry just dislikes him. I understand he is lazy but he is also very talented. we seen his goal run last year 8 goals in 8 games(most of which from sub apperances) and then he's benched yet again!
shame to see him go if he does... loved his time here tho

IM with you on this one, i think hes the best finish at the club by far, he needs a run of games and some good service. Dont care if he is lazy, hes a striker, when he plays he scores. Best goal for minutes ratio of the strikers i think?
And in fairness, his belter against young boys was a life safer.

mickman

pav is a spoilt immature kid. he has disappeared off the scene for a while, i wonder why. he obviously wasnt making an effort in training. his comments yesterday were pathetic

"if i try my best in training , i still dont get a game " - note the word "if", obvioulsy most of the time in training he dosent try very hard

"redknapp jeers me" - what a stupid comment to make

when he joined first all he was saying was " im at spurs for life" then a few months later " i need to get out of spurs " - 6 months ago it was " i want a new contract cos im at spurs for life" - now its "i want out "

the guy is a great finisher but he is spoilt and a drama queen. we dont need this kind of player at the club

compare him to corluka and niko , especially corluka. he was dropped, keeps training hard and gets back in the team. harry said that niko trains every day like his life depended on it. thats what you want in a squad.

i have lost all respect for pav and harry dosent like him either. at the end of the interview he said if pav has a problem he needs to talk to the chairman, he is super pav isnt he?? he dosent like the guy and note he didnt say pav can come to me, he said the chairman

anyway enough said, pav out!

Wendell Gee

Pav or his agent have ran the flag up the pole quite a few times.Moody as hell, I'd say, but we have three strikers, and Crouch has some injury or other now. We need him for three games on the road- he can score from nothing. Already o massive goals against young boys away- most important goal of the season -set up by one r keane as it happened- and against Chelsea. If we're a big club, and I think we are getting close to proving that, we sell players when we want, not the other way around.

Emoran

mickman wrote: »

pav is a spoilt immature kid. he has disappeared off the scene for a while, i wonder why. he obviously wasnt making an effort in training. his comments yesterday were pathetic

"if i try my best in training , i still dont get a game " - note the word "if", obvioulsy most of the time in training he dosent try very hard

"redknapp jeers me" - what a stupid comment to make

Interviews are more often then not lost in translation... especially when he can say about 5 words in english! i highly doubt he meant it in the way you think he did and if he didnt train hard enough you would hear about it !

It wouldnt surprise me if redknapp did... he has given him a hard time , and he has no problem bad mouthing players. I highly rate harry fantastic manager and love what he has done for us and the game but he still is a prick

I dont understand how we cant play our forward with the best goal-per minute ratio for more then 10 minutes... your right mushykeogh
anyway it looks like he'll be gone but the least the bloke deserved was 4 or 5 consistant starts and i would put money on it he'd be a success

yiddo59

Wendell Gee wrote: »

Pav or his agent have ran the flag up the pole quite a few times.Moody as hell,

All change from a few weeks back he was on about signing a new deal

Emoran wrote: »

Interviews are more often then not lost in translation... especially when he can say about 5 words in english! i highly doubt he meant it in the way you think he did and if he didnt train hard enough you would hear about it !

It wouldnt surprise me if redknapp did... he has given him a hard time , and he has no problem bad mouthing players. I highly rate harry fantastic manager and love what he has done for us and the game but he still is a prick

I dont understand how we cant play our forward with the best goal-per minute ratio for more then 10 minutes... your right mushykeogh
anyway it looks like he'll be gone but the least the bloke deserved was 4 or 5 consistant starts and i would put money on it he'd be a success

He's at Spurs for almost 3 and a half years and still needs an interpreter! Another example of his lack of application! I can only assume that he trots around in training like he does on the pitch. As was pointed out his goals to time ratio is excellent and that makes his poor attitude all the more frustrating!

mickman

yiddo59 wrote: »

All change from a few weeks back he was on about signing a new deal



He's at Spurs for almost 3 and a half years and still needs an interpreter! Another example of his lack of application! I can only assume that he trots around in training like he does on the pitch. As was pointed out his goals to time ratio is excellent and that makes his poor attitude all the more frustrating!

exactly - the man just blubbers on without thinking. not much going on upstairs id say.

at the end of the day lazy players never ever ever become world class. berbatov is world class this season as he has upped his effort considerably.

also when we played away games, berba often had man of the match performances holding up the ball and playing as a lone striker , pav is basically non existent in most away games.

he thinks he is better than he is and deserves everyone singing his praises and being nice to him all the time. let him off back to russia

Emoran

Tevez is in england much longer then pav an can probably speak less english ! would you complain having him at spurs because he doesnt speak english ?

whatever you say pav deserved a better chance at tottenham... you cant judge a player over a few sub apperances or the odd cup game ,

tbh id have the same attitude as pav if i wasnt getting my game especially since crouch has scored 2 goals this season and has twice the technical ability as him ?!

mickman

Emoran wrote: »

Tevez is in england much longer then pav an can probably speak less english ! would you complain having him at spurs because he doesnt speak english ?

whatever you say pav deserved a better chance at tottenham... you cant judge a player over a few sub apperances or the odd cup game ,

tbh id have the same attitude as pav if i wasnt getting my game especially since crouch has scored 2 goals this season and has twice the technical ability as him ?!

technical ability is only half the battle, u need the right attitude

we dont know what pav does or dosent do in training - harry dosent rate him and thats cos he see what pav does every day in training. its his decision and us ranting away about it wont make a difference

pav's attitude has always been rubbish, when he was getting a run in the side he still didnt put in a shift away from home.

crouch always gives 100%

mickman

tevez is world class and makes a serious effort in every game - you cant mention pav and tevez in the same breadth

yiddo59

mickman wrote: »

tevez is world class and makes a serious effort in every game - you cant mention pav and tevez in the same breadth

true much less mention pav in the same breath as berbatov.

Emoran

I always think the best player should start... imo pav is a far better player then crouch, attitude aside he scores more goals then him and is far more dangerous.
either way your opinion wont change and mine wont so agree to disagree

mushykeogh

crouch is awful mickman, plain awful, his role is to nod the ball down to vdv, thats it, cant shoot, head, control the ball, he is useless, 100% of rubbish is still rubbish.

mickman

mushykeogh wrote: »

crouch is awful mickman, plain awful, his role is to nod the ball down to vdv, thats it, cant shoot, head, control the ball, he is useless, 100% of rubbish is still rubbish.

You must have missed Blackburn away then. He scored,held the ball up, defended when neccessary and played a blinder

mushykeogh

mickman wrote: »

You must have missed Blackburn away then. He scored,held the ball up, defended when neccessary and played a blinder

A blinder? your winding me up, he was blessed to get away with that goal!, two hands on sambas back, he held up **** all!

mickman

mushykeogh wrote: »

A blinder? your winding me up, he was blessed to get away with that goal!, two hands on sambas back, he held up **** all!

He played very well that night. End of

Hatch99

IMO

Pav - Excellent finisher, our best maybe. Doesn't work too hard during games but a lot of strikers are the same. Tevez of course is different, he is like a duracel bunny, difficult comparison in fairness.But pav is a natural finisher. He may not be involved in a game but given a chance, he'll more than likely take it. It could be argued that he hasn't taken chances when given them in a lot of games over the last 12/18 months, but he hasn't got a proper run in the team for us. Strikers are all about confidence, and if you are not playing, you are simply not as sharp as you need to be, to be at your best.

Crouch - He drives me mad. If he was a foot smaller, he'd struggle to get a game in a championship team. His only asset for me is his height. Yes it's great at times, especially in Europe when they cant cope with him, but in general terms, it's not enough. The amount of times he has got 2 yards ahead of a defender, and not had the pace to get a shot away before it was blocked is infuriating. In fairness, he has done great for England in qualifiers etc..

Remember, crouch is an auld mate of harrys, so he was always going to favour him over Pav. Pav has had a raw deal in my opinion during his time at Spurs, but then again, as a club we have done quite well over the last 18 months.

yiddo59

Hatch99 wrote: »

Remember, crouch is an auld mate of harrys, so he was always going to favour him over Pav. Pav has had a raw deal in my opinion during his time at Spurs, but then again, as a club we have done quite well over the last 18 months.

Mate of Arrys? If by that you mean he rates him he obviously does thats why he picks him.

Hatch99

yiddo59 wrote: »

Mate of Arrys? If by that you mean he rates him he obviously does thats why he picks him.

Well i thought it was obvious that he rates him, he has picked him ahead of pav countless times.

I think Harry has favourites, and Crouch is one of them.

Emoran

Only comparision i was trying to make between pav and tevez was there attitude, neither speak the language and both seem to want away from the club. I wanted to point out that not many complain about tevez' attitude...
When pav is scoring goals nobody has a problem with him, im sure none of you said good ridence or complained when he scored against the young boys or chelsea.

To be honest if we get rid of pav i think we should do away with crouch too and look for a world class forward and use defoe as cover, I'm not fond of the rotation system with defoe playing one or two then crouch and pav the odd one. None can pick up a goal streak or confidence that way

Like hatch said... over the past 18 months we've been at our best and playing in the best competitions so i wont complain

Hatch99

Emoran wrote: »

To be honest if we get rid of pav i think we should do away with crouch too

I agree mate, but you can be guaranteed Pav will be fcuked out before crouch is.

Emoran

without a question !
just think he had much more to offer spurs, especially this year with defoe countlessly injured or suspended and us not at our best scoring wise

typical timing that for christmas i got Pav on the home jersey eh ?

RichMc70

I don't know what to make of this fella.

For most of the time he appears to look dis-interested, lazy, almost sulky but then out of the blue he'll score brilliant goals and important ones at that.

To be fair to him, he's never really had a decent run in the team but on the other hand Harry watches him every day in training and ultimately that where he is picking his starting 11 from.

Going from the press reports, Harry doesn't seem to be saying the nice praises about Pav that he has done on other players (e.g. Niko, Robbie etc) so I feel 'Super Pav' will may well become 'Surplus to Requirement Pav' come season end.

yiddo59

On the general point of forwards none of the 3 are up to the mark for a top 4 team. I'd lose no sleep if all 3 were replaced in the summer.

mickman

yiddo59 wrote: »

On the general point of forwards none of the 3 are up to the mark for a top 4 team. I'd lose no sleep if all 3 were replaced in the summer.

agreed. keep vdv and sell the other three

the ammount of league goals we have gotten from the strikers this year is pathetic, im not counting vdv as a striker in that. its actually amazing we are doing so well in the champs league and the premier league with NO striker on form, its amazing

yes tevez is saying he wants out and wants to go to his family etc but even after that he still gives 100% in everything. thats my point, pav wont give 100% so he will never be wanted by harry, its as simple as that

Hatch99

yiddo59 wrote: »

On the general point of forwards none of the 3 are up to the mark for a top 4 team. I'd lose no sleep if all 3 were replaced in the summer.

I agree. None of them are top class ! I'd sell Pav and Crouch anyway, and maybe keep Defoe. He'd be handy for the Thursday night cup next season.

wellboys

If Real took Adebayor in the summer, we should go big for Benzema.. He's not the strong, tall, athletic striker we would ideally need but he is a great striker and a proven goal scorer..

golfball37

Pav is twice the striker Defoe or Crouch think they are. I will be sad to see him go and am very disappointed with his lack of chances.

I would much rather we sold Defoe tbh.

mickman

golfball37 wrote: »

Pav is twice the striker Defoe or Crouch think they are. I will be sad to see him go and am very disappointed with his lack of chances.

I would much rather we sold Defoe tbh.

why ?

because defoe scored 20 goals last season and pav scored how many ?
because defoe is genuinely happy at spurs and pav is constantly moaning ?
because defoe works hard in training and pav dosent ?
because defoe is a year younger than pav?
because the best manager we have ever had prefers defoe to pav?

Hatch99

mickman wrote: »

because the best manager we have ever had prefers defoe to pav?

The best manager we ever had... easy tiger.

Emoran

mickman wrote: »

why ?

because defoe scored 20 goals last season and pav scored how many ?
because defoe is genuinely happy at spurs and pav is constantly moaning ?
because defoe works hard in training and pav dosent ?
because defoe is a year younger than pav?
because the best manager we have ever had prefers defoe to pav?

Pav scored 10 in 24, Defoe scored 24 in 43 I guarantee that most of pavs apperances were from last minute subs compared to defoes starts

This year pav has scored 9 in 17 compared to defoe scoring 5 in 17 again i reckon defoe has started more

Have you ever played football in a team ? been on the bench ? its not fun... imagine being a professional footballer and never getting a chance even tho you have probably the best talent out of your forwards and best goal-minute ratio ? im sure you'd be moaning too.

would you put the work in training on a daily basis if you dont get chances ? im sure pav trains hard... you dont see it so you have no say on the matter.

would you take defoe over drogba even though drogba is 3 years older ?

and hatch answered your last question there !

mushykeogh

mickman wrote: »

why ?

because defoe scored 20 goals last season and pav scored how many ?
because defoe is genuinely happy at spurs and pav is constantly moaning ?
because defoe works hard in training and pav dosent ?
because defoe is a year younger than pav?
because the best manager we have ever had prefers defoe to pav?

Because he is a better finisher than the other two ands scores more per time on the pitch. Have you seen any of these train?
Defoe is happy cos he is playing, not so long ago he left for pompey because he wasnt playing, and when he did he didnt score much.

This "works hard in training" is a load of balls anyway, Tevez is well known for being a lazy git in training, gary lineker was one who never broke a sweat in training either.

"best manager we ever had" now, you have to admit thats taking it a bit far.

oppiuy

Harry's not, and never will be, a Patch on Bill Nic. As a man or manager

mickman

typical anger appearing on this forum, reminded me on why i stopped posting a few months ago.

some of ye just seem to want to slag redknapp off every chance ye get, disagree with his decisions most of the time and just cant be satisfied with any decisions he makes and think that ye all know better than he does

ciao

mushykeogh

mickman wrote: »

typical anger appearing on this forum, reminded me on why i stopped posting a few months ago.

some of ye just seem to want to slag redknapp off every chance ye get, disagree with his decisions most of the time and just cant be satisfied with any decisions he makes and think that ye all know better than he does

ciao

Anger? Where? Nothin wrong with a good auld argument.

Hatch99

mickman wrote: »

typical anger appearing on this forum, reminded me on why i stopped posting a few months ago.

some of ye just seem to want to slag redknapp off every chance ye get, disagree with his decisions most of the time and just cant be satisfied with any decisions he makes and think that ye all know better than he does

ciao

Mickman, where exactly is the anger you are talking about ? Use examples if you are going to make such accusations ! All I see is people stating opinions.

There is only one person around here that has threatened to leave the forum completely, came back a few weeks later, and now carries on with this tripe.

If you think HR is our greatest ever manager, well then fair play, and good luck to you. If everyone else disagrees, so be it, but get over it...

And if your post was a fish, and I have taken the bait, you can jog on somewhere else..

everdead.ie

Best Manager we have had in the premier league probably yes