Bathroom renovation - cost?

ader

Hi there

My mother-in-law just got a price for some work in her bathroom and I just wanted to check if it sounds reasonable. Planned work is:

Remove old bath, toilet and sink unit (current bathroom has no tiling so no need to remove)

Re-position 18 month-old existing elecrtic shower to opposite wall and fit new shower cubicle and tray

Re-position and fit new toliet to "return" wall approximately 6 feet away from old location

Re-position and fit new sink to same wall as old unit

Re-position existing radiator a couple of feet on the same wall as it is now so as not to be under the sink.

Bathroom is about 7x7 feet.

The quote is for labour only. Plumber will not supply any hardware, just pipes and fittings etc. and will not be doing any tiling.

Loaction is the mid-west. How much do you guys think and how long a job is it? Quote was 1000 euro? Reasonable?

Thanks in advance.

steloide

Block walls or (timber) studded partition? And judging on that price 1000e it should take about 4-5 days from o'clock to o'clock thats 200e a day. Thinking about it thats 1000e for a weeks work. Cash i presume? DO U GET THAT? If you can get the price down to 700 he still gets a nice wage you are 300e better off.

yoshytoshy

You'd be better off finding out if the guy is any good or not. A bad job isn't worth any money.

ader

Thanks for the quick resposne guys...

The house is block wall construction.

Genuninely not sure about the "cash" angle

And too right about the finding out if he's any good or not - don't get me started on the fella that fitted her shower unit a couple of years back - was a disgrace!

Buford T Justice

Its difficult to say, but in fairness, if you are moving the shower, toilet and sink and replumbing them you could be looking at a fair few quid for the fittings in themselves. How long did he say the job would take?

Joey the lips

ader wrote: »

Hi there

My mother-in-law just got a price for some work in her bathroom and I just wanted to check if it sounds reasonable. Planned work is:

Remove old bath, toilet and sink unit (current bathroom has no tiling so no need to remove) (and replace with new 250-350 Euro)

Re-position 18 month-old existing elecrtic shower to opposite wall and fit new shower cubicle and tray (200-300 Euro)

Re-position and fit new toliet to "return" wall approximately 6 feet away from old location(delt with above)

Re-position and fit new sink to same wall as old unit(delt with above)

Re-position existing radiator a couple of feet on the same wall as it is now so as not to be under the sink.( 150 -200 Euro)

Bathroom is about 7x7 feet. Has no bearing

The quote is for labour only. Plumber will not supply any hardware, just pipes and fittings etc. and will not be doing any tiling.

Loaction is the mid-west. How much do you guys think and how long a job is it? Quote was 1000 euro? Reasonable?

Thanks in advance.

The price seems reasonable. My estimates are in bold(Note i am not quoting for the work just my opinion) But 3 quotes should confirm

steloide wrote: »

Block walls or (timber) studded partition? And judging on that price 1000e it should take about 4-5 days from o'clock to o'clock thats 200e a day. Thinking about it thats 1000e for a weeks work. Cash i presume? DO U GET THAT? If you can get the price down to 700 he still gets a nice wage you are 300e better off.

With due respect to your knowledge you cannot have a grasp on costs when you say this. cash means in the pocket. No receipt. I would not get any work done without a receipt as you may not be covered by insurence and just for your info cash is only worth vat 1000 less vat is €826

yoshytoshy wrote: »

You'd be better off finding out if the guy is any good or not. A bad job isn't worth any money.

Best pce of advice really.

I think the price is reasonable. But another 2 quotes should confirm.

ps: No tiles in bathroom.... I would seriously consider a vent.

Billy Bunting

Can't see there being much more that €100 of material involved. By the time it's all stripped out moving it around ain't hard, 4 days max.

€700 for cash, plus the vat if you want a reciept.

steloide

Originally Posted by ader
Hi there

My mother-in-law just got a price for some work in her bathroom and I just wanted to check if it sounds reasonable. Planned work is:

Remove old bath, toilet and sink unit (current bathroom has no tiling so no need to remove) (and replace with new 250-350 Euro)

Re-position 18 month-old existing elecrtic shower to opposite wall and fit new shower cubicle and tray (200-300 Euro)

Re-position and fit new toliet to "return" wall approximately 6 feet away from old location(delt with above)

Re-position and fit new sink to same wall as old unit(delt with above)

Re-position existing radiator a couple of feet on the same wall as it is now so as not to be under the sink.( 150 -200 Euro)

Bathroom is about 7x7 feet. Has no bearing

THIS IS JUST WHAT I WOULD DO, BEARING IN MIND THAT A CASH JOB IS EASIER ON YOUR POCKET.
........... IF U GOT HIM DOWN TO ABOUT 700e OR 800e THATS PRETTY GOOD FOR 4-5 DAYS WORK PROVIVED HE CAN DO HIS JOB. 1000E PRICE SEEMS LIKE A NICE ROUND SPUR OF THE MOMENT PRICE AND I HAVE A FEELING ITS CASH (MAYBE NOT).
U COULD ASK HIM IF THATS VAT INCLUDED (WHICH HE CAN CLAIM BACK) AND IF IT IS, TELL HIM U WILL GIVE HIM 800 CASH OR HAGGLE WITH HIM JOB DONE.
SIMPLE!!!
15 years carpentry/building experience.

yoshytoshy

steloide wrote: »

U COULD ASK HIM IF THATS VAT INCLUDED (WHICH HE CAN CLAIM BACK) AND IF IT IS, TELL HIM U WILL GIVE HIM 800 CASH OR HAGGLE WITH HIM JOB DONE.
SIMPLE!!!
15 years carpentry/building experience.

You can't claim back VAT on jobs .

EDIT: If someone is trying to do a cash job ,they actually should do it for €500. Because they aren't paying any taxes etc.

A professional won't do cash jobs ,they'll pay the VAT on the job ,the paye and taxes on their wages and all the other stuff professionals have to pay.

steloide

yoshytoshy wrote: »

You can't claim back VAT on jobs .

EDIT: If someone is trying to do a cash job ,they actually should do it for €500. Because they aren't paying any taxes etc.

A professional won't do cash jobs ,they'll pay the VAT on the job ,the paye and taxes on their wages and all the other stuff professionals have to pay.

Sorry i should have said "you cant claim back VAT on jobs" but u can claim it back on materials used for a job. Also (in my experience)all kinds of professionals will accept cash jobs.

yoshytoshy

steloide wrote: »

Sorry i should have said "you cant claim back VAT on jobs" but u can claim it back on materials used for a job. Also (in my experience)all kinds of professionals will accept cash jobs.

Whats with the bold writing ?

I get cash sometimes when jobs are finished ,last week in fact I got €5000 off a woman when the job was done.

We didn't ask for cash ,but some people think you'd prefer it. It's actually a pain in the ass getting cash and cheques are far better.

Joey the lips

steloide wrote: »

Sorry i should have said "you cant claim back VAT on jobs" but u can claim it back on materials used for a job. Also (in my experience)all kinds of professionals will accept cash jobs.

The quote is for labour only with an estimate of a 100 euro in materials. Assuming all of it is at 21% thats vat back of 20 euro or so.

Also if the job is legite and the worman declares it he can only charge vat at 13.5 so actually financially the tax element will not be worth a lot.

steloide

ader wrote: »

Hi there

My mother-in-law just got a price for some work in her bathroom and I just wanted to check if it sounds reasonable. Planned work is:

Remove old bath, toilet and sink unit (current bathroom has no tiling so no need to remove)

Re-position 18 month-old existing elecrtic shower to opposite wall and fit new shower cubicle and tray

Re-position and fit new toliet to "return" wall approximately 6 feet away from old location

Re-position and fit new sink to same wall as old unit

Re-position existing radiator a couple of feet on the same wall as it is now so as not to be under the sink.

Bathroom is about 7x7 feet.

The quote is for labour only. Plumber will not supply any hardware, just pipes and fittings etc. and will not be doing any tiling.

Loaction is the mid-west. How much do you guys think and how long a job is it? Quote was 1000 euro? Reasonable?

Thanks in advance.

Hi there Ader, as with all discussions, they get out of hand, one person knows better than the other.........
Your quote @ €1000 is a good price, but why not haggle? Like I said offer him €700 and c where it goes. You'll definitely get the job done for cheaper than the asking price.

Good luck with the job and i hope its done to a proper standard and a good price.

Sparkpea

Personally I think the cost isn't bad. Yes you can try and haggle a little if you wish but I for one don't really allow for haggling in my prices so if I agree then I'm loosing out myself and possibly will cut a corner to recoup my loss.

For example I was asked a few weeks ago to price for a new storage tank and a new hot tank separately for the same job, he was happy at the hot tank price but said the cost of the storage tank was too much he had another price at near £100 cheaper. I knocked £80 off it in the end but cut some costs like not fitting a stopcock in the loft, not fitting a gatevalve on the cold feed to the cylinder and not altering as many pipes as I had first allowed for. Even afterwards, tho he was happy as larry when paying me he asked for a £20 luck penny back. I told him no chance. Few days later he complained a pipe was leaking, one that were not not working at, had a look at it and thought it might be condensation as it was in the hot press but he wanted it replaced. Renewed it in polyplumb - then said... you're not charging me for that are you?? pissed me off rightly. Said because we took the old copper tank with us that should cover the costs.

I don't think haggling alot leaves a great rep between the client and the engineer.

Buford T Justice

Sparkpea wrote: »

Personally I think the cost isn't bad. Yes you can try and haggle a little if you wish but I for one don't really allow for haggling in my prices so if I agree then I'm loosing out myself and possibly will cut a corner to recoup my loss.

For example I was asked a few weeks ago to price for a new storage tank and a new hot tank separately for the same job, he was happy at the hot tank price but said the cost of the storage tank was too much he had another price at near £100 cheaper. I knocked £80 off it in the end but cut some costs like not fitting a stopcock in the loft, not fitting a gatevalve on the cold feed to the cylinder and not altering as many pipes as I had first allowed for. Even afterwards, tho he was happy as larry when paying me he asked for a £20 luck penny back. I told him no chance. Few days later he complained a pipe was leaking, one that were not not working at, had a look at it and thought it might be condensation as it was in the hot press but he wanted it replaced. Renewed it in polyplumb - then said... you're not charging me for that are you?? pissed me off rightly. Said because we took the old copper tank with us that should cover the costs.

I don't think haggling alot leaves a great rep between the client and the engineer.

What a knob. I'm a firm believer that live would be so much simpler if it wasn't for customers. (in the 'you don't have to listen to them' sort of way)