clutch slipping on my pajero

lester76

Hi guys i think i have done serious damage to my clutch, i pulled my trailer last week which had been laid up 4 mths so brakes had seized and i pulled it up the lane in the hope they would free up:mad: didnt wrk blew a tyre on the trailer and fukt my clutch.. was over taking a car yesterday and when i put my foot down the rev's went up but the speed didnt What have i gone & done?? The jeep is a 97 paj 2.8 jap import with 126,000km on it.. Looking at serious bill 1000-1500 if im lucky??

O.A.P

It sounds like its the clutch alright although you should have smelt in burning when pulling the trailer. If your lucky there might be a bit of adjustment left on it.

lester76

Yes i could smell burning rubber kinda smell put it down to the tyre on the trailer had blown a HOLE in it when i took it off:eek:.. Never done a clutch b4 been driving 20yrs but the smell was vile thats for sure..

pajero12

Unusual to hear of a clutch going pulling a trailer! But worst case scenario your only talking half that price!

lester76

i say gone its still driving but when i put my foot down the rev's go up but the speed does'nt if that makes sense?? so you think id get it done for 700-800 pajero12?? still a lump of cash i dont have bloody resession:rolleyes:

pajero12

lester76 wrote: »

i say gone its still driving but when i put my foot down the rev's go up but the speed does'nt if that makes sense?? so you think id get it done for 700-800 pajero12?? still a lump of cash i dont have bloody resession:rolleyes:

That sounds like its gone alright! The thrust bearing on our 3.2 got seized last year and the clutch got so hot It fused some of the fingers together! If I recall correctly it was only about 450!

lester76

well im sure the clutch kit be about 300-400 and labour be be the killer blow so id say 700 easy.. what about the timing chain on a 97 pajero should they be replaced after 100,000mls is that the norm??

pajero12

lester76 wrote: »

well im sure the clutch kit be about 300-400 and labour be be the killer blow so id say 700 easy.. what about the timing chain on a 97 pajero should they be replaced after 100,000mls is that the norm??

About 200 for a LUK clutch kit! Cant comment on the chain,we had a 2.5 before hand that had a belt!

Edit: It wasnt actually a LUK but it was bought in a mitsu dealership!

lester76

Thanks for your help pajero12:)

pajero12

lester76 wrote: »

Thanks for your help pajero12:)

No problem,Let us know how you get on

lester76

pajero12 i was onto a friend of my brothers who will do the job for handy money so i gotta get the kit myself what am i looking for?? Stay well clear of main dealer parts so where to look?? You mentioned luk clutch kit is this a brand or what??

pajero12

lester76 wrote: »

pajero12 i was onto a friend of my brothers who will do the job for handy money so i gotta get the kit myself what am i looking for?? Stay well clear of main dealer parts so where to look?? You mentioned luk clutch kit is this a brand or what??

Oh thats good,should cut the cost down well so!
You'll need a clutch kit anyway, You may as well replace the thrust bearing while your at it, if it fails later it will wreck the clutch! Not sure if its included in it the kit but it may well be!
You say it only failed last week, If thats the case it shouldn't have worn the flywheel down enough that you would have to get it skimmed but the mechanic will know that! Yes LUK is one of the brands that make them but if you go into your local motor factors they'll get the right one!

Drummerboy08

pajero12 wrote: »

Unusual to hear of a clutch going pulling a trailer! But worst case scenario your only talking half that price!

I certainly wouldnt say its unusual for a clutch to go while towing a trailer, in fact its one of the more common reasons for a clutch to go in my experience. It's usually down to the driver, and his her experience (not saying this is the case here).

Any Motor factors should be able to supply a clutch kit for a Pajero.

pajero12

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

I certainly wouldnt say its unusual for a clutch to go while towing a trailer, in fact its one of the more common reasons for a clutch to go in my experience. It's usually down to the driver, and his her experience (not saying this is the case here).

Any Motor factors should be able to supply a clutch kit for a Pajero.

Sorry,Never finished my sentence! Meant to say its unusual for a clutch to go while pulling an empty trailer,Sure wouldnt of thought stuck wheels would put up that much resistance!

lester76

Yea it was all my doing alrite pure stupidity on my part the horsebox had been laid up 4 mths i pulled it like a mad man up the lane in anger now its cost my bigtime. Newbie to pulling a trailer so yes its all my doing:( Thanks for the help lads il hit my local motor factors see what the damage be

101sean

If you want to save your clutch pulling a trailer with a 4x4, use low range to start off or while manoeuvring.

If you can't get a sensible clutch price here, try Milners http://www.milneroffroad.com/categories.asp?cID=11318

YouTookMyName

Clutch is one thing not to cut back on, buy cheap buy twice, a bad clutch will ruin the driving feel.

snowman707

is it a swb or lwb? the swb are a pure bitch to work on

have you stripped it down yet? those pajeros are well known for DMF failure even at your mileage

we done 1 a few years back fitted a solid fly wheel instead.

lester76

snowman707 wrote: »

is it a swb or lwb? the swb are a pure bitch to work on

have you stripped it down yet? those pajeros are well known for DMF failure even at your mileage

we done 1 a few years back fitted a solid fly wheel instead.

yea its a swb have done nothing yet as im skint just nursing it along but im prob doin more damage to other parts i should really park it up till i got the dosh.

snowman707

lester76 wrote: »

yea its a swb have done nothing yet as im skint just nursing it along but im prob doin more damage to other parts i should really park it up till i got the dosh.

if it's still motoring the FW is most likely ok. hope so ..costly buggers

lester76

snowman707 wrote: »

if it's still motoring the FW is most likely ok. hope so ..costly buggers

yea i was looking into putting in a solid fw wheel while the box is out. i can get the clutch kit for 340+vat in my local motor factor its the luk brand??

shogunpower

surely the 2.8 pajeros dont have dual mass fly wheels?

snowman707

shogunpower wrote: »

surely the 2.8 pajeros dont have dual mass fly wheels?

afraid they do
"flywheel has come apart and sheared itself away! And the clutch is just about gone too."

from turbine's post


http://www.pocuk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=56921&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=&sid=65fa87520997d76fc1309f12498c169c

EDIT

and my local mitshi dealer wanted €1600 + vat for the dmf alone about 4/5 years ago

lester76

Update lads was onto a mate who supplies motor factors he can do the clutchkit for 250 delivered to my door.Now he was asked is it for a solid flywheel he said no as its a 97 jap import that came into the country in 2008 im only the 2nd owner so im right in telling him its for a floating flywheel right??? He can do a solid flywheel for 350 but my wallet wont allow that job be nice to do it while doin the clutch but il take the chance the fw is ok

snowman707

lester76 wrote: »

Update lads was onto a mate who supplies motor factors he can do the clutchkit for 250 delivered to my door.Now he was asked is it for a solid flywheel he said no as its a 97 jap import that came into the country in 2008 im only the 2nd owner so im right in telling him its for a floating flywheel right??? He can do a solid flywheel for 350 but my wallet wont allow that job be nice to do it while doin the clutch but il take the chance the fw is ok

has it round or square headlights?

I thought that the 97's would be DMF, could you get a main dealer to check the chassis number?

any mechanics on here able to clarify?

if it's DMF you need a different clutch disc otherwise you may have issues

lester76

snowman707 wrote: »

has it round or square headlights?

I thought that the 97's would be DMF, could you get a main dealer to check the chassis number?

any mechanics on here able to clarify?

if it's DMF you need a different clutch disc otherwise you may have issues

its the mk2 v26 2.8 td intercooler model with square lights

CJhaughey

Buy a complete kit from Milners for 400stg, that way you will only be paying once. Given that much of the cost will be labour you may as well fit the solid flywheel and clutch together, that way you won't have to pay for a mechanic to strip and fit another flywheel when the DM one craps out.

lester76

This is my jeep only pic i have

snowman707

CJhaughey wrote: »

Buy a complete kit from Milners for 400stg, that way you will only be paying once. Given that much of the cost will be labour you may as well fit the solid flywheel and clutch together, that way you won't have to pay for a mechanic to strip and fit another flywheel when the DM one craps out.

have you bought stuff from Millner's ? I contacted them in the past and got the impression they weren't too interested with sending to Eire

Reading OP's orignial post again I would think it's the DMF that's fuked here, in any case as you mention I would certainly replace it when I had the jeep stripped.

CJhaughey

snowman707 wrote: »

have you bought stuff from Millner's ? I contacted them in the past and got the impression they weren't too interested with sending to Eire

Reading OP's orignial post again I would think it's the DMF that's fuked here, in any case as you mention I would certainly replace it when I had the jeep stripped.

I bought a good bit of stuff from Milners, Polybushes and filters, I find them very good to deal with and postage surprisingly cheap.
Funny you had a bad impression, they seemed very civil when I called them.

DirtyDiesels

snowman707 wrote: »

have you bought stuff from Millner's ? I contacted them in the past and got the impression they weren't too interested with sending to Eire

Reading OP's orignial post again I would think it's the DMF that's fuked here, in any case as you mention I would certainly replace it when I had the jeep stripped.

Ive bought loads of stuff from milners...never had any hassle. always arrived very prompt. much quicker than anything i ever bough from eblay.

Slidey

I wouldn't have thought that a Paj of that age would have a DMF, thought they only started to appear in the late 90's. I haven't had a box out of one in a long long time though so may be wrong on that count.

However, the OP describes classic clutch symptoms.

My advice is to get it done sooner rather than later, otherwise you may end up scoring the flywheel

broro22

i've changed them in 2.8 back as far as 94 and 2.5 as far as 92. all jap imports but not all japs have them either. milners can check against chassis number. failing that theres a gromit in the bell housing on 2.8 you can look in through

p.s. milners are spot on with price shipping and delivery times

shogunpower

so my 97 pre facelift english shogun wouldn't have a dmf? its got 191k miles on the original so i doubt it is.

broro22

shogunpower wrote: »

so my 97 pre facelift english shogun wouldn't have a dmf? its got 191k miles on the original so i doubt it is.

cant say for sure but i couldnt see a dmf doing that kind of milage then you never no is it still on original clutch too? on the other hand allot of them go due to hard work abuse or driver error so depends how you treat her

shogunpower

broro22 wrote: »

cant say for sure but i couldnt see a dmf doing that kind of milage then you never no is it still on original clutch too? on the other hand allot of them go due to hard work abuse or driver error so depends how you treat her

well when i got it with 160 odd thousand miles the clutch is the same as it is now, it doesn't bite till half way up the travel. so id say its the original thats fairly worn, I've giving it some tight abuse as-well, triple axle ifor Williams trailers full of concrete. so theres noway its a dmf they would never take that abuse. thank god. as shes not worth a new dmf.

broro22

not being smart but if you bought it 160 with on the clock how can you say its on original anything unless you knew the original owner

shogunpower

because it was fairly worn when i got it, as in it doesn't catch till half way up when letting out the clutch pedal, if it was a second clutch it would have less wear than that i would think.dual mass or not.

lester76

Job done paid 465 in total,265 for the kit,150 labour,50 oil im well pleased the flywheel was spot on mechanic thinks its good for another 75k easy:D

O.A.P

Glad you got it sorted now get the hubs on that trailer done.:D

lester76

O.A.P wrote: »

Glad you got it sorted now get the hubs on that trailer done.:D[/QUO
haha the trailer has been sorted:rolleyes: