who is the g&g of handguns

sls

cant see any handguns by g&g on there website (maybe i have missed a section)
do they do many handguns if not who has the same kind of track record for reliability as g&g

Leftyflip

Tokyo Marui. End of.

thermo

Leftyflip wrote: »

Tokyo Marui. End of.

+1, the TM stuff is unreal out of the box.

Inari

TM are known for great quality Hop Up which lends itself beautifully to pistols. They are solidly made, but constructed out of ABS which can put people off. It also has some limitations though i.e. unable to handle higher pressured gases.

I would thoroughly recommend KWC NBB pistols for pure reliability - less moving parts, less that can go wrong. For full metal GBB pistols, KJW lead the way in the CO2 department.

Shiva

sls wrote: »

cant see any handguns by g&g on there website (maybe i have missed a section)
do they do many handguns if not who has the same kind of track record for reliability as g&g

G&G make an Xtreme .45 Co2 pistol, and beauty that it is...its a bitch to downgrade reliably, so not suitable for here.

Slightly disagree with Inari re green gas and TM....I've never had a problem with the three TM pistols I have, even on hot summer days. Granted though, its not recommended, so I might just have been lucky. Our climate tends to allow a bit of leeway with green gas and TM pistols though.

MerryDespot

I agree with Tony, Ger and Lar.
Tokyo Marui - no contest. I've tried a lot - KSC, Maruzen, KWA, KJW, Amry & TM.
Of all of them the ones which were damn good right out of the box were tokyo marui.
In TMs, the best I've used is the TM MEU 1911. It's abs, but it's accurate and on a non-freezing day it has range to equal most budget aegs.

goblin59

socom gear pistols i think would be a good competitor for marui, never had a problem with my socom gear m9a1, fires on the joule with both greengas and CO2.
the marui m1911 is an exceptionally well made pistol and well worth the money

TNTQ

Tokyo Marui all the bloody way...

Epic accuracy and reliability

Points to note though...

• Green Gas Only
• Outdoor use March to Sept
• Not for the 'I want my gun to shoot 327.9fps' brigade
• The Yen is a bit of a bitch at the minute and is making the prices rise

Chuck the Buck

TM have problems with higher pressure gas (i.e. green gas)? Yeah right, maybe in the US and Japan where the weather gets hot but not over here. In the UK and Ire they live on a diet of green with zero problems. Hell I used my hi-cappa last Dec in -4c conditions and it out ranged aegs, and it's stock and running on green.
If the abs body puts you off there are a plethora of metal body kits out there. I think one of the Irish retailers were selling a MEU up graded with a metal body recently.

If a metal body out of the box is what you want try KSC (system 7 version if it's available in the pistol you're looking for). They make some great pistols (their full metal M9's are beautiful) with decent hops, not TM standard but very good.

KJW are good because they're full metal and cheap but not amazing (had a few), as far as CO2 is concerned they're really the only show in town but aren't without their problems (bushings jamming and locking the side, and the feed nosel exploding and flying out the ejection port on the earlier ones).

Firekitten

goblin59 wrote: »

socom gear pistols i think would be a good competitor for marui, never had a problem with my socom gear m9a1, fires on the joule with both greengas and CO2.
the marui m1911 is an exceptionally well made pistol and well worth the money

Socom gear are WE... and not 'the best' but ok.

Tm are most reliable frankly, close second to KSC and KWA. However the topic amuses me.... 'the g&g of handguns'... any other country, that question would be 'who are the TM' of handguns', what with TM holding the 'most reliable gun' mantle for 20 years or more.

as for good track record, i guess Ireland doesnt like to think about g&g 3 years ago.... when they liked to shoot gearboxes out of thier barrels :P

TNTQ

Firekitten wrote: »

Socom gear are WE... and not 'the best' but ok.

A very diplomatic way of putting it

Firekitten wrote: »

However the topic amuses me.... 'the g&g of handguns'... any other country, that question would be 'who are the TM' of handguns', what with TM holding the 'most reliable gun' mantle for 20 years or more.

Very true, TM stuff is very very good but when you go over the magical €250 mark for an AEG lads in Ireland start getting a nose bleed.Thankfully with the slow demise of the clones this attitude is starting to subside.

Firekitten

heh, they are starting to lose the airsoft honeymoon, and see how the real world lives and plays :P

Inari

Just to clarify, by higher pressured gases, I meant CO2 - since Co2 is my chosen gas where possible.

KJW M9's have no issues where I'm presently aware, and the KP-05 with the cone shaped outer barrel, also handles CO2 without issue.

MagicIRL

I bought myself a nice new TM M4 today. Its incredible. As for pistols, I use a WE M1911 and I cannot fault it in the slightest. Accurate, Powerful kick and a pleasure to use. Has not let me down.

bullets

Nobody mentioned Western Arms yet!
Bought one before and it screams quality.

~B

Firekitten

heh, it screams that it should have been quality.

Western arms are NOT reliable, nor are they skirmish pistols out of the box. They need Hella upgrading to be used as a skirmish piece. They are collectors items/plinkers/ when upgraded, race guns. I'd never have one as a sidearm, too high maintenance to be reliable.

bullets

Never had trouble with my Western Arms Pistol
apart from dropping it one Christmas and breaking a piece of the slide! Doh! I never found a store that had metal slide in stock though for it as I got a hybrid.

I've only the one and have not had any trouble with it.
Mags filled fine without leaks/hiss, It fired the entire mag
without misfires, it was hitting where I aimed out of the box. Out of all my pistols that I've (back yard plinked with) And I've about 26-27 Pistols I'f I can count them all in my head, Its the one I've had least trouble with. The tolereances and play on the slide was much
less than other pistols too and the ABS slide was very high quality where it was
difficult tell even when touching it and the rest of the body of the gun that it was not metal. TM-Hicappa was also great but had trouble with the mags (still unresolved due to lazyness) not filling correctly and the BB's jamming. It had fantastic accuracy out of the box.

I dont have a enough knowledge to know the difference between a Pistol thats only good for Plinking and one thats skirmish-able! I would have thought either a back yard plinker or a seasoned skirmisher would both want something reliable......though probably the plinker would not suffer if his/her's misfired while in a skirmish it may cause a game to be lost. Suppose a Plinker would not be using it every week during a skirmish, taking it out
only occasionally.

~B

Firekitten

I'll admit I mentioned your post to Lemming, and He told me you were a collector/ plinker, and honetsly, there is a difference, but it takes knowing it to get it, so sorry if i came over a bit sarcastic in my original post. They arent rated as skirmish sidearms, great for plinking, which is a relatively controled environment, and are the best gun to use for 'competition' airsoft shooting due to good accuracy in 'sterile' conditions. As a skirmisher, I'd not rate them as high, but i do rate them for accuracy in competition.

bullets

Firekitten wrote: »

I'll admit I mentioned your post to James, and He told me you were a collector/ plinker, and honetsly, there is a difference, but it takes knowing it to get it, so sorry if i came over a bit sarcastic in my original

you did not come across as sarcastic at all, I know very very little about the insides of Airsoft guns or whats reliable or not (but learning slowly) since half of mine are rarely used. Every time I goto a skirmish site with one of my guns something stops working (am told thats cos I leave em in the wardrobe for too long) I would not take a WA pistol to a skirmish site!!! They are too bloody expensive and any time I've skirmished someone has always lost something like a mag, pistol etc! :eek: so it will safely stay at home

Also a heck of a lot of guns I buy dont work correctly out
of the box (especially GBB pistols)

TM-HiCappa 5.1, My WA SV infinity and surprisingly an early WE 1911 are the only pistols I own that worked OK without any issues. Every other pistol I own I dont get a full mag out of one fill of gas, or sometimes I get jams, gas vents, slide not locking back, or mags not filling correctly. The type of mags I hate most of those thin 1911 army branded mags.

~B

Firekitten

bullets wrote: »

you did not come across as sarcastic at all, I know very very little about the insides of Airsoft guns or whats reliable or not (but learning slowly) since half of mine are rarely used. Every time I goto a skirmish site with one of my guns something stops working (am told thats cos I leave em in the wardrobe for too long) I would not take a WA pistol to a skirmish site!!! They are too bloody expensive and any time I've skirmished someone has always lost something like a mag, pistol etc! :eek: so it will safely stay at home

Also a heck of a lot of guns I buy dont work correctly out
of the box (especially GBB pistols)

TM-HiCappa 5.1, My WA SV infinity and surprisingly an early WE 1911 are the only pistols I own that worked OK without any issues. Every other pistol I own I dont get a full mag out of one fill of gas, or sometimes I get jams, gas vents, slide not locking back, or mags not filling correctly. The type of mags I hate most of those thin 1911 army branded mags.

~B

I must admit, I dont get on with 1911s in general (heretic I know) its just not my style, I find the mags cool down too fast and are too small to feed... yet my maruzen ppk has a smaller gas resevoir, and manages to fire all 23 rounds and more... weird...

bullets

Firekitten wrote: »

feed... yet my maruzen ppk has a smaller gas resevoir, and manages to fire all 23 rounds and more... weird...

Almost forgot about that! Yep that Magazine defies a logical ways of thinking. Its SOooo small and it fills with just a pfft. and yet it manages to empty the clip.

I was planning on buying my girlfriend a full metal PPK or something neat and compact
since she tends to not wear a vest/holster and runs around the place in black leathers.
(she's not allowed take my Maruzen out into a mucky field so will have to get her one of her own......and valantines day is coming up)

~B

Firekitten

Maruzens aint that expensive... and id get the plastic, its reliable and tough, mine is carried most events in a backup location. Better recoil 'snap' off the plastic on green too... LOVE that gun.

The mag is like the tardis... i get nearly 2 loads of bbs out of one gas fill... its bizzare... or efficient.

Scary thing is, I was considering getting lemming a ppk for valentines to replace the one he cooked at sennybridge.... *looks worried*