Sinn Fein want rid of catholic church

dcmraad

I had my 1st politician calling last night.

I asked if they would prosecute the guilty parties that are protected by the church, and if they would sue the church via the Vatican.

They said they will do a full enquiry in every diocese.
They want all schools to be educate together.

They want to seize all the assets the Vatican owns here and take the Vatican to the cleaners.

Des Carter

Sounds like sarcasm to me but maybe your right.

mikemac

More enquirys, quangos and more money for lawyers.

Sure, people get their chance to seek to right things, but if it goes ahead I hope it's as efficent as it can be.
And one enquiry for every diocese?

As I sure remember reading about lawyers who were paid by the tribunals and then they told the victims to give shares of the compensation. Which shouldn't have happened, they were supposed to be paid directly by the tribunal and just once.

UDAWINNER

just because you want to sue the church and get rid of catholic schools does not mean Sinn Fein wants to get rid of the catholic church. Check your facts before making another Anti SF Thread

reprazant

How exactly would they go about seizing all the property the church owns in the country?

That is in no way electioneering bluster.

I might be wrong here, but are Sinn Fein not quite a religious party?

GLaDOS

UDAWINNER wrote: »

just because you want to sue the church and get rid of catholic schools does not mean Sinn Fein wants to get rid of the catholic church. Check your facts before making another Anti SF Thread

I thought this was pro SF :pac:

Des Carter

UDAWINNER wrote: »

just because you want to sue the church and get rid of catholic schools does not mean Sinn Fein wants to get rid of the catholic church. Check your facts before making another Anti SF Thread

your name UDA winner I thought it was U da winner (like your the winner).

Sorry for going off topic btw.

Nodin

reprazant wrote: »

I might be wrong here, but are Sinn Fein not quite a religious party?

Not in the slightest. Secular Republicans. All for "Educate Together" and full 'Gay' Marriage for homosexual couples.

Ghost Buster

UDAWINNER wrote: »

just because you want to sue the church and get rid of catholic schools does not mean Sinn Fein wants to get rid of the catholic church. Check your facts before making another Anti SF Thread

Thats a pro Sinn Fein Thread around these parts!

keppler

Nodin wrote: »

Not in the slightest. Secular Republicans. All for "Educate Together" and full 'Gay' Marriage for homosexual couples.

Whats that you say? Sure next they'll be playin golf with the DUP at weekends, with drinks in the clubhouse afterwards..........:D

Nodin

keppler wrote: »

Whats that you say? Sure next they'll be playin golf with the DUP at weekends, with drinks in the clubhouse afterwards..........:D

...tis true. Though theres no way you'd get a drink in Ian. He might buy though....

The Mad Hatter

Nodin wrote: »

Not in the slightest. Secular Republicans. All for "Educate Together" and full 'Gay' Marriage for homosexual couples.

How odd that they were the political arm of the IRA, then. But, mind you, they're more opportunistic and fickle than any of the other Irish parties, and that's saying a lot.

Nodin

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

How odd that they were the political arm of the IRA, then. ...............

...and what's that to do with anything? I wasn't aware of an armed campaign against contraception, divorce and the legalisation of homosexuality......

The Mad Hatter

Nodin wrote: »

...and what's that to do with anything? I wasn't aware of an armed campaign against contraception, divorce and the legalisation of homosexuality......

But I'm sure you were aware of an armed campaign against protestants.

Dades

UDAWINNER wrote: »

Check your facts before making another Anti SF Thread

You mind your tone, thanks.

Nodin

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

But I'm sure you were aware of an armed campaign against protestants.

....no, I was aware of an armed campaign against the NI statelet, which -due to the status quo - tended to polarise communities. You're aware that one of the founders of the PIRA was a protestant?

I have to say that I'm not sure what you're getting at here. The PIRA is supposed to be some conservative catholic group....? Hardly.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Sinn Fein members are an odd bunch. Some are very secular and left-wing others are conservative catholics.

eblistic

Nodin wrote: »

....no, I was aware of an armed campaign against the NI statelet, which -due to the status quo - tended to polarise communities. You're aware that one of the founders of the PIRA was a protestant?

I have to say that I'm not sure what you're getting at here. The PIRA is supposed to be some conservative catholic group....? Hardly.

So PIRA sectarian violence never actually happened?!

Nodin

eblistic wrote: »

So PIRA sectarian violence never actually happened?!

There were sectarian incidents and the community unfortunately split (largely, though not entirely) along sectarian lines, but the PIRA was not an arch-catholic organisation. There are long standing links with the PLO and the ANC, for example, and there has been and are protestant members of the Republican movement, a number which will hopefully increase over time.

None of this seems to have anything to do with the somewhat vague implication by a poster (related to the OP) that the PIRA/SF had a conservative catholic ethos....we might at least try to keep to the topic, considering the forum we're in.

Nodin

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Sinn Fein members are an odd bunch. Some are very secular and left-wing others are conservative catholics.

You'd find that the conservative element are a tiny minority these days and have been for many a year. Their hopes would be better served by voting Dana than Gerry.

MagicMarker

And yet even this wouldn't make me vote for them. Funny that.

strobe

In relation to Sinn Fein and secularism here is their party response to the questions AI posed to the candidates in the next election.

http://www.atheist.ie/information/2011-general-election/sinn-fein-response/

They have been a committed secularist party for a long long time now.

If only there were a pro-secular party that wasn't dodgy

Wait, what does that imply :pac:

eblistic

strobe wrote: »

In relation to Sinn Fein and secularism here is their party response to the questions AI posed to the candidates in the next election.

http://www.atheist.ie/information/2011-general-election/sinn-fein-response/

They have been a committed secularist party for a long long time now.

Well they do seem to have the clearest pro-secular responses. Surprised by some of Labour's ones. Not so much by FG. It's a shame the mainstream parties are so slow to move with the times.

Yawns

Quote:
Originally Posted by UDAWINNER View Post
just because you want to sue the church and get rid of catholic schools does not mean Sinn Fein wants to get rid of the catholic church. Check your facts before making another Anti SF Thread
your name UDA winner I thought it was U da winner (like your the winner).

Sorry for going off topic btw.

Actually think it means Upcoming Darwin Award Winner

PeterIanStaker

MagicMarker wrote: »

And yet even this wouldn't make me vote for them. Funny that.

Same as.

dcmraad

feelingstressed wrote: »

More enquirys, quangos and more money for lawyers.

Sure, people get their chance to seek to right things, but if it goes ahead I hope it's as efficent as it can be.
And one enquiry for every diocese?

As I sure remember reading about lawyers who were paid by the tribunals and then they told the victims to give shares of the compensation. Which shouldn't have happened, they were supposed to be paid directly by the tribunal and just once.

I would hope that the next government would recruit the best legal minds and start recruiting out of university to build a world class legal system, and avoid needing outside firms to bleed them dry.

How many barristers have we read about recently who billed for 52 weeks, 6 days each week, eight hour days, with no holidays and occasional sundays thrown in, at 2,500 euro a day.

UDAWINNER wrote: »

just because you want to sue the church and get rid of catholic schools does not mean Sinn Fein wants to get rid of the catholic church. Check your facts before making another Anti SF Thread

Did I say that?

Queen-Mise

SF would sell/give away their own grannies if it was in their interest.

So not surprised they want to give rid of the Catholic Church -



I am sure they are excellent reasons for it

lmaopml

Strange odd thread about SF...and the random person who answered the door to a campaigner.

Up the ET schools cause those big bad ole Catholics don't want to see choice in the neighbourhood...

What a pile..it's steaming...Those 'Catholics' would only love to see 'choice'...that's the mistake you make.

strobe

lmaopml wrote: »

Strange odd thread about SF...and the random person who answered the door to a campaigner.

Up the ET schools cause those big bad ole Catholics don't want to see choice in the neighbourhood...

What a pile..it's steaming...Those 'Catholics' would only love to see 'choice'...that's the mistake you make.

Wha..??

lmaopml

strobe wrote: »

Wha..??

Oh sorry! 'They have been a committed secularist party for a long time now...'..

Like hell! They say whatever you like to hear..ears wide open??

strobe

lmaopml wrote: »

Oh sorry! 'They have been a committed secularist party for a long time now...'..

Like hell! They say whatever you like to hear..ears wide open??

Yeah. I still have no clue what you are talking about L.

lmaopml

Very simply. I don't believe they are 'commited' secularists other than from the 'EU'..those baddies!! ...as they have no policy as regards seperating church and state - no plan...just you know 'ideals' and promises at the doorstep - sounds fab though!

They want to spend money that we don't have....lol...and uphold the AI 'ideal'..eh? What's that all about? You would be better off talking to your 'Catholic' neighbour who believes that you have the right to choose a multi denom education for your children...cause we 'actually' believe that..

Do you know where I am coming from now? or else I mustn't be speaking the same language?

strobe

lmaopml wrote: »

Very simply. I don't believe they are 'commited' secularists other than from the 'EU'..those baddies!! ...as they have no policy as regards seperating church and state - no plan...just you know 'ideals' and promises at the doorstep - sounds fab though!

They want to spend money that we don't have....lol...and uphold the AI 'ideal'..eh? What's that all about? You would be better off talking to your 'Catholic' neighbour who believes that you have the right to choose a multi denom education for your children...cause we 'actually' believe that..

Do you know where I am coming from now? or else I mustn't be speaking the same language?

Oh I get ye now....I think. You believe Sinn Fein are lying when they say they want a secular society? It's possible. They can basically promise anything they want as they know they won't be in a position to implement any policy they outline. They could also be telling the truth. Who knows? It would make sense for them to want religiousness to have no say in government however considering the situation that existed in the North before the civil rights movement. I don't think they have any particular interest in upholding "the AI ideal", though.

I don't think you speak for all Catholics as well btw. So, ye know..... No point in you saying "Us Catholics think this".

lmaopml

strobe wrote: »

So, ye know..... No point in you saying "Us Catholics think this".

Touche! lol..

I really truely believe that you are underestimating public 'thought' on this particular issue, and understanding of how our island is made up of 'variety' these days.. ....but of course I could be mistaken, we could all be mini despots, all those neighbours of ours..especially the Catholic ones who want to control everything.


Even if one wants to be 'Catholic' and have the right to a religious education where a prayer before class and lunch etc. is par for the course...I don't think that necessitates that it should be the 'only' way, and that 'choice' is unpalatable in society...I don't believe my neighbours are mini despots either...

of course, it goes without saying that there is no point in making an enemy that isn't there in the first place; I think the AI could wakeup and smell the roses as far as fellow Irish are concerned and their 'rights' and 'entitelements'..perhaps they would benefit by talking to those who actually believe in freedom of choice.

Afterall the best choices are those freely made..

strobe

lmaopml wrote: »

Touche! lol..

I really truely believe that you are underestimating public 'thought' on this particular issue, and understanding of how our island is made up of 'variety' these days.. ....but of course I could be mistaken, we could all be mini despots, all those neighbours of ours..especially the Catholic ones who want to control everything.


Even if one wants to be 'Catholic' and have the right to a religious education where a prayer before class and lunch etc. is par for the course...I don't think that necessitates that it should be the 'only' way, and that 'choice' is unpalatable in society...I don't believe my neighbours are mini despots either...

of course, it goes without saying that there is no point in making an enemy that isn't there in the first place; I think the AI could wakeup and smell the roses as far as fellow Irish are concerned and their 'rights' and 'entitelements'..perhaps they would benefit by talking to those who actually believe in freedom of choice.

Afterall the best choices are those freely made..

I don't disagree with anything in particular you are saying L.

Which is unnerving in and of itself....:pac: