1st TV Debate next Tuesday TV3

Badabing

According to Fianna Fail Twitter 1st debate 3-way on TV3 next tuesday.

cavedave

Does anyone know where a transcript of the debate will be released?

hotmail.com

Anyone know the time?

Will Enda show up?

wonderfulname

http://www.thejournal.ie/first-election-leaders-debate-set-for-next-tuesday-2011-2/

THE FIRST of what is likely to be several debates between the leaders of Ireland’s three main political parties is to take place next Tuesday, after Fianna Fáil said it was preparing to send leader Micheál Martin into TV3′s debate – regardless of whether Enda Kenny chose to attend or not. FF said discussions on the debate were in their “final stages” and that they expected other debates to be arranged in the coming days.

It doesn't appear there's much information as of yet.

EDIT: TV3's online TV guide hasn't been updated either, so no time as of yet, although I'd assume it would be some time between the soaps and Vincent Brown to suit the ratings, so 8 or 9pm.

hotmail.com

wonderfulname wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/first-election-leaders-debate-set-for-next-tuesday-2011-2/


It doesn't appear there's much information as of yet.

EDIT: TV3's online TV guide hasn't been updated either, so no time as of yet, although I'd assume it would be some time between the soaps and Vincent Brown to suit the ratings, so 8 or 9pm.

Looking at their line up on Tuesday, they have Emmerdale running until 8pm and then three hour long programmes in a row that can all be cancelled.

In order to gain maximum exposure, I'd say they'll push for an 8pm start - RTE 9 News will have to cover it and it gives plenty of time for the newspapers to write up reviews on it.

Has Enda made any comment yet?

Apparently Enda and VB don't get on, anyone know why?

DrumSteve

Why only 3 way?

Zubeneschamali

DrumSteve wrote: »

Why only 3 way?

We don't need to hear from the Mickey Mouse parties, so I assume it'll just be FG, Labour and SF.

GSF

If its about who can realistically expect to be Taoiseach it should be a one way

SB-08

Vinnie said if Enda doesn't show up there will be an empty chair in represent FG.

Vinnie will be chairing the debate and then I assume analyse it with a panel on his show afterwards.

PeterIanStaker

Maybe they should do two debates - FG FF & Lab one night, then SF, Greens and other assorted pondlife the next?

PomBear

It's a bit silly as SF have every chance of having more TDs than FF after the election and for 5 ways, surely, ULA will be bigger than the Greens?

crebel81

PomBear wrote: »

It's a bit silly as SF have every chance of having more TDs than FF after the election and for 5 ways, surely, ULA will be bigger than the Greens?

Totally agree. In relation to the other boarder above re: pondlife. I think FF as we have seen through the years would me more suited to that tag.

PeterIanStaker

crebel81 wrote: »

Totally agree. In relation to the other boarder above re: pondlife. I think FF as we have seen through the years would me more suited to that tag.

Sorry but you're very wrong. FF are pondscum not pondlife. Life sort of moves around.

Mr.Micro

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

Maybe they should do two debates - FG FF & Lab one night, then SF, Greens and other assorted pondlife the next?

TV3 should have the bottle to exclude FF as a minority party and have FG, Labour and SF if its to be a 3 way debate.

PeterIanStaker

Mr.Micro wrote: »

TV3 should have the bottle to exclude FF as a minority party and have FG, Labour and SF if its to be a 3 way debate.

Capital idea!

Leave FF on RTE by themselves, where they belong and won't get asked any hard questions that might hurt their feelings.

LeixlipRed

When I was young I used to aspire to participate in a 3-way. But then you grow up and develop politically and realise a 5-way is the only way to experience it.

Mr.Micro

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

Capital idea!

Leave FF on RTE by themselves, where they belong and won't get asked any hard questions that might hurt their feelings.

I happened to tune into Pat Kenny just after 11 this morning and there he was talking to Lenny ( it seems every time I tune in to the radio or RTE its FF who are on ) and Lenny saying about FG/Labour figures do not add up blah blah, and then he goes on about the increase in exports. It was Pat Kenny's chance to say to Lenny exports of people emigrants to be accurate as well, but he said nothing. The RTE bias is beyond belief :mad:

PeterIanStaker

Mr.Micro wrote: »

The RTE bias is beyond belief :mad:

Wait til you see the Late Late the week before polling day, if it's anything like the one with Harris, Waters and Dunphy, it'll be eye-gouging, vomit inducing, throw-the-whiskey-bottle-at-the-TV á la Father Jack stuff.

[Jackass]

Of course, FF will get their way kicking and screaming.

I presume it's preferred to only have two parties ganging up on you than to have four people all telling you what an idiot you've been.

Especially when you play up to differences in the other parties as your retaliation ammo.

Martin will do a good job of pulling back support. It's hilarious, but by the time election time comes around FF will get 20 - 25% of the votes imo. I lost faith in this country and it's people a long time ago...

the groutch

might be a blessing in disguise for SF being left out, debates like this rarely do a campaign any good, as they're merely a chance for the opposition to pick holes in your policies

Sulmac

Interestingly, it seems the vast majority of voters would rather see a five-way leaders' debate:

Voters back Enda Kenny bid for five-way TV debate
Thursday, 3 February 2011

Fine Gael leader Enda Kenny is winning public support for his insistence on a five-way debate including the main party leaders.

Some 69pc of voters believe the televised debates should be held between the leaders of Fianna Fail, Fine Gael, Labour, the Green Party and Sinn Fein, today's Irish Independent/Millward Brown Lansdowne opinion poll reveals.

Mr Kenny wants a five-way "inclusive" encounter rather than a debate with Fianna Fail leader Micheal Martin and Labour leader Eamon Gilmore.

But that has prompted accusations he is "running scared" of heavyweight debaters by opting for a group instead.

While 63pc of Fine Gael supporters would agree to a five-way debate, some 69pc of Labour supporters have taken Mr Kenny's side.

Predictably, 90pc of Sinn Fein supporters want a five-way debate, while Fianna Fail supporters are split.

Overall, just 24pc of those surveyed agreed with Fianna Fail and Labour's preference for a three-way debate between Mr Gilmore, Mr Kenny and Mr Martin.

Behind the scenes, Fine Gael has been negotiating with TV stations for two five-way leader debates.

Belfast Telegraph

Sierra Oscar

DrumSteve wrote: »

Why only 3 way?

There will be plenty of both three way and five way debates during the campaign.

In other countries, the largest parties out of the current parliament go together in a head on debate - it should be no different here.

SB-08

RTE are being left out in the cold on the debates

Also TV3 will have the 3 way on Tuesday moderated by Vinnie and then a 5 way on Feb 18th which will be a joint TV3/Sky News production, chaired by both Ursala Halligan and Adam Boulton. So this way Enda get's his wish for a 5 way and Martin and Gilmore get their wish for a 3 way. Everyone is happy. Except Enda of course who apparently has an issue with Vincent Browne chairing the debate on Tuesday.


http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0204/1224288985770.html

SB-08

It's taking place at 8PM on Tuesday. Enda still not confirmed to show.

http://www.tv3.ie/article.php?article_id=53094&locID=1.2&pagename=news

tonedef

PomBear wrote: »

It's a bit silly as SF have every chance of having more TDs than FF after the election and for 5 ways, surely, ULA will be bigger than the Greens?

The ULA isn't a political party with one leader to represent them in the leader's debates so there's no way for them to be included.

SB-08

According to RTE Enda Kenny is refusing to appear on the debate if Vincent has anything to do with it. Michael Martin said Enda should not fear Vincent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1xIyFwhs-g

Corsendonk

Just heard it on the news that Enda won't take part if Vinnie is involved for personnal reasons. What happened? Did Vinnie takes his toys or are FG afraid he might get him flustered?

flash1080

They should get a cardboard cutout of Enda for the debate.

jmayo

Corsendonk wrote: »

Just heard it on the news that Enda won't take part if Vinnie is involved for personnal reasons. What happened? Did Vinnie takes his toys or are FG afraid he might get him flustered?

Maybe it has something to do with fact Browne said "Kenny should take a bottle of whiskey and a revolver into a dark room" around the time of the leadership heave.

I don't know about anyone else around here, but personnally I wouldn't be too happy with someone that said that about me.

I think Kenny is more restrained than I, as I would attend and then proceed to lamp the windbag.

Now that would really get his ratings up.

I don't think Browne has been happy with Fine Gael since they spurned him.
Thankfully at least he didn't turn into harris. :rolleyes:

Actually sometimes I don't think Browne likes anyone bar himself?

spokes

Ursula Hannigan asking the questions...pure cringe. Where did TV3 get that woman?

Fattes

Sadly as it stands FIna Fail are currently the largest party in the country! By Dail Seats

Was going to vote for both Fina Gael Candidates in my area but after todays Enda show in relation to the debates I will not be voting for them now

hotmail.com

spokes wrote: »

Ursula Hannigan asking the questions...pure cringe. Where did TV3 get that woman?

Murder She Wrote got cancelled.

spokes

hotmail.com wrote: »

Murder She Wrote got cancelled.

Back to Cabot Cove with ye...

[Jackass]

Fattes wrote: »

Sadly as it stands FIna Fail are currently the largest party in the country! By Dail Seats

Was going to vote for both Fina Gael Candidates in my area but after todays Enda show in relation to the debates I will not be voting for them now

That sounds perfectly rational....

oppenheimer1

jmayo wrote: »

Maybe it has something to do with fact Browne said "Kenny should take a bottle of whiskey and a revolver into a dark room" around the time of the leadership heave.

I don't know about anyone else around here, but personnally I wouldn't be too happy with someone that said that about me.

I think Kenny is more restrained than I, as I would attend and then proceed to lamp the windbag.

Now that would really get his ratings up.

I don't think Browne has been happy with Fine Gael since they spurned him.
Thankfully at least he didn't turn into harris. :rolleyes:

Actually sometimes I don't think Browne likes anyone bar himself?

The revolver comment is just something Kenny is hiding behind. A politician should be more thick skinned than that - and besides Kenny should have gone for the sake of the party at that time. Its been a series of lame excuses in order to avoid the debate. First he wanted a 5 way in order to deflect attention from himself and dilute his talking time, now the excuse is he has a problem with Vincent. This must be a first for politics - a leader of a party shunning free TV time in the run up to an election. Not just an ordinary election - but one he expects to win.

Kenny is afraid Vincent will maul him, he has been particularly poor on live TV and is afraid of a Nixon - Kennedy moment.

Average_Joe

Brown wud make mince meat out of all o dem! Id luv 2 see all those politicians collapse under pressure haha. Twud b brillant

oppenheimer1

Average_Joe wrote: »

Brown wud make mince meat out of all o dem! Id luv 2 see all those politicians collapse under pressure haha. Twud b brillant

Shame to see that the Average Joe is illiterate these days.

InchicoreDude

Not sure Browne would be too great as the moderator; He is prone to interupting too much and his tendency to stutter wouldnt be great...

I can see Enda's point of view. But If I was him, I would revert my decision now saying "I have made my point and I am going to take part in the debate to ensure fair representation of the parties". Something along those lines.... It really is a bit of an own goal for TV3 if their debate just involves FF & Labour...