Eamon O' Cuiv pushes through his Public Service Card scheme

RachaelVO

Big brother has arrived in a somewhat blustering style. A last minute rubberstamping of Eamon O'Cuivs Public Services Card scheme has been confirmed. Has big brother finally arrived? Is this just a desperate act of an out going minister?


http://www.thejournal.ie/last-minute-rubberstamping-of-public-service-cards-scheme-a-costly-political-stunt-2011-2/?utm_source=facebook

BlaasForRafa

RachaelVO wrote: »

Big brother has arrived in a somewhat blustering style. A last minute rubberstamping of Eamon O'Cuivs Public Services Card scheme has been confirmed. Has big brother finally arrived? Is this just a desperate act of an out going minister?


http://www.thejournal.ie/last-minute-rubberstamping-of-public-service-cards-scheme-a-costly-political-stunt-2011-2/?utm_source=facebook

I'm usually pretty concerned by governments unnecessarily gathering data on the general public but how is this anything other than the Social Services Card with a photo on it?

keno-daytrader

What will the poles do coming in off Ryanair flights now?

donkey balls

Just read the article and considering this govt could'nt organise a p*ss up in a brewery I wonder how they will cope with the logistics of issuing these cards,Also I wonder were are these cards going be made considering the RSA have a company manufacter the drivers card in the UK.:rolleyes:

Holybejaysus

I see no problem with this whatsoever. Usually if the Civil Liberties are complaining about something, the idea is sound.

jodaw

Holybejaysus wrote: »

I see no problem with this whatsoever. Usually if the Civil Liberties are complaining about something, the idea is sound.

Good man yourself. A man of the system through and through. I am sure you will be of the same opinion when your grandchildren receive a tiny tamper proof chip implanted from birth. It may be 20 years from now but it will arrive. Sure it will only be a step up from this card. What is problem with that?

My question is, How long before we are being asked to produce this when we are stopped at joint Garda, Welfare checkpoints? How long before it becomes an id card that we are obliged to carry at all times? And how long before we are being open to prosecution for not carry that card?

It stinkssssssssss...

Fcuk of FF and let the government with a mandate make decisions without sneaking through these big brother measures. I despair at the country, i really do:mad:

Congrats Eamo, You have just relegated the candidate of your party to last preference to promote the green candidate to second last. Now fcuk off back to the bog you crawled out of

kincsem

I had a National Identity Card when I lived abroad. Everyone had one. I didn't see anything wrong with the government giving me a number, or being asked to show it to police or elsewhere.

mikemac

If they came up with something better then the battered pieces of cardboard that I see on Dublin Bus it'd be welcomed.

There are days where there are more pass holders then fare payers. But then that's the 78A in Dublin ,
I've no doubt some passes are fake.

The cards will replace cards such as the Social Services card and the Free Travel card

Sounds good to me. And in Belfast, you have smartcards that are scanned. Maybe we can get the same thing here.
Instead of waving a pass that is falling to pieces at a driver

flutered

i think that in the present smart industary climate we are in it is essential, the amount of false id is beyond belief, quite a few irish, a lot of non nationals, with this card a lot (not all) fraud will disappear.

donkey balls

jodaw wrote: »

Good man yourself. A man of the system through and through. I am sure you will be of the same opinion when your grandchildren receive a tiny tamper proof chip implanted from birth. It may be 20 years from now but it will arrive. Sure it will only be a step up from this card. What is problem with that?

My question is, How long before we are being asked to produce this when we are stopped at joint Garda, Welfare checkpoints? How long before it becomes an id card that we are obliged to carry at all times? And how long before we are being open to prosecution for not carry that card?

It stinkssssssssss...

Fcuk of FF and let the government with a mandate make decisions without sneaking through these big brother measures. I despair at the country, i really do:mad:

Congrat Eamo, You have just relegated the candidate of your party to last preference to promote the green candidate to second last

I think you will find that the Gardai /customs&Welfare in the past had multi agency check points years ago,These still happen with the exception of the Welfare people been present.
Since mid 06 all so called professional drivers(bus&truck) have to carry a card with a photo and other personnel details like address licencenbr on them at all time.

Holybejaysus

jodaw wrote: »

Good man yourself. A man of the system through and through. I am sure you will be of the same opinion when your grandchildren receive a tiny tamper proof chip implanted from birth. It may be 20 years from now but it will arrive. Sure it will only be a step up from this card. What is problem with that?

My question is, How long before we are being asked to produce this when we are stopped at joint Garda, Welfare checkpoints? How long before it becomes an id card that we are obliged to carry at all times? And how long before we are being open to prosecution for not carry that card?

It stinkssssssssss...

Fcuk of FF and let the government with a mandate make decisions without sneaking through these big brother measures. I despair at the country, i really do:mad:

Congrats Eamo, You have just relegated the candidate of your party to last preference to promote the green candidate to second last. Now fcuk off back to the bog you crawled out of

Ah yes, the old paranoid Orwellian/Maud Flanders moral panic. Sure, I can't think for myself at all, being programmed by the State and all that, and only you have it all figured out. Am I right so far? You forgot to mutter something about the 'sheeple', btw. :rolleyes:

mikemac

donkey balls wrote: »

Also I wonder were are these cards going be made considering the RSA have a company manufacter the drivers card in the UK.:rolleyes:

It'll be tendered across the EU.
Irish companies have to beat the competition, that's business

donkey balls

feelingstressed wrote: »

It'll be tendered across the EU.
Irish companies have to beat the competition, that's business

Yep I know about them having to put it out to tender one of my concerns would be the security of the places making these cards as it would have personnel info on Irish citizens and could it be open to abuse ala Russians/Israeli govt.

heyjude

flutered wrote: »

with this card a lot (not all) fraud will disappear.

Presumably the same way that uninsured drivers disappeared when insurance discs were introduced(or so we were told) :rolleyes:

Insurance discs didn't eliminate uninsured drivers(% of uninsured drivers is roughly the same today as it was when they were introduced, so with more cars on the road, the number of uninsured drivers has increased) and this won't eliminate(and may not reduce significantly) the level of fraud, but it will cost Millions to introduce and operate and no doubt, in ten years or so, they'll be replacing these cards with others(packed with even more personal information and even more expensive), which we'll be told will help combat fraud.

But to combat fraud you need enforcement, not cards or discs etc. but they never seem to realise that. So like everything else from this government, it'll be an expensive failure, which they can blame on the next government, who will face the task of actually having to introduce these new cards.

StupidLikeAFox

Seems like a practical way to stop people claiming welfare in others names really. I'd have no prob with it, as they say if your doing nothing wrong you cant get caught!