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Building Regulations and position of cooker

  • 02-02-2011 4:50pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭


    Hi

    I was wondering if there are any building regulations on where a cooker is to be positioned in a kitchen? As in should a cooker be positioned right inside the door of the kitchen?


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  • Subscribers Posts: 42,171 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    not that ive come across...

    just remember the practical hazards such as positioning a cooking area so close to a thoroughfare .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭Slig


    As Syd said I dont think the building regs have anything so specific but practical considerations have to be made.

    Personally I always try have a full unit either side of a cooker as it leaves you place to put down hot pans and reduces the risk of people accidently catching in pan handles and burning themselves on the way past.

    Also consider the position of the extract fan, this will have to be piped to the outside so position the cooker where this will be possible either between the ceiling joists or above the overhead units


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,900 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Building regualtions are there to ensure safety in buildings, that they stand up, save energy, general health of the public and that buildigns are suitable for everyone.

    They aren't there to encourage good design. If a kitchen is badly laid out, its the designers fault. And also the fault of who ever agree to the plans (normally the client).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,547 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    Mellor wrote: »
    Building regualtions are there to ensure safety in buildings, that they stand up, save energy, general health of the public and that buildigns are suitable for everyone.

    They aren't there to encourage good design. If a kitchen is badly laid out, its the designers fault. And also the fault of who ever agree to the plans (normally the client).
    I cant agree with some of that. As you say the regs are there to ensure safety and the location of cookers should be covered although its not at present.

    There is always a safety issue with regards to using a cooker especially if its located close to a door. The regs for example dictate the distance the stairs have to be from the swing of a door so as to prevent some poor soul from having the snout knocked off them yet the people responsible for the regs didnt see the need to apply the same rules in relation to someone lifting a pot of boiling water for example from a cooker and run the risk of being hit with a "flying" door where the kid runs in and pushes the door fully open without thinking.

    The height of a letterbox is covered in the regs to help postie avoid lumber strain.

    Point taken of course in relation to the kitchen layout/design but really and truly designers should be restricted by way of regulations.

    /Rant over and off for a caffeine shot ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    muffler wrote: »
    but really and truly designers should be restricted by way of regulations.

    /Rant over and off for a caffeine shot ;)

    ...I'm afraid I disagree. This would end up restricting design, and given the level of regulation in society generally, and how it's arrived at, then you'd find the exception may (inadvertently) become the rule, and common sense would go out the window.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,547 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    galwaytt wrote: »
    ...I'm afraid I disagree. This would end up restricting design, and given the level of regulation in society generally, and how it's arrived at, then you'd find the exception may (inadvertently) become the rule, and common sense would go out the window.
    Just when I see you posting I forgot to answer a PM you sent - apologies. I'll do that now in a few minutes.

    When I said designers should be limited by regulations I meant (A) there should be regulations governing the location of a cooker (being the topic at hand) and (B) "designers" would be the likes of the kitchen suppliers or indeed anyone doing a layout for a kitchen.

    If building regs were to include details of cooker locations then it certainly wouldnt stifle design.

    I dont necessarily agree with all the building regulations but they are there for a reason and any regulations that are in force to accommodate and promote safety are always more than welcome.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,842 ✭✭✭Billy Bunting


    Don't know about building regs but gas regs should be linked to building regs and there are certain aspects of consideration that come to mind with a gas cooker, mainly ventilation, but other considerations are there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,900 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    muffler wrote: »
    I cant agree with some of that. As you say the regs are there to ensure safety and the location of cookers should be covered although its not at present.
    I'm not sure If i agree.

    I agree that it should be located away from doors and everything else regarding safety. But I don't consider this a "construction" issue. Hard and fast rules could easily create some bad layouts, most likely in smaller kitchens, in appartments etc.

    What about when the kitchen is fitted after the house is finished. and due to the itmes chosen, they can only be fitted in a way that contravenes the regs?
    Is that the Architect/Arch Techs fault? He sign off on the regs.

    I think that a lot of the time, you have to design what is best for the space. This is more a case by case thing, rather than a set of rules defining it, so I don't think BRs would work (well, amybe very vauge ones, anyone care to draft a mock set)

    A think a CoP or non-compulsory document would be more suited


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    muffler wrote: »
    Just when I see you posting I forgot to answer a PM you sent - apologies. I'll do that now in a few minutes.

    When I said designers should be limited by regulations I meant (A) there should be regulations governing the location of a cooker (being the topic at hand) and (B) "designers" would be the likes of the kitchen suppliers or indeed anyone doing a layout for a kitchen.

    If building regs were to include details of cooker locations then it certainly wouldnt stifle design.

    I dont necessarily agree with all the building regulations but they are there for a reason and any regulations that are in force to accommodate and promote safety are always more than welcome.


    No prob - got the PM -forgotten I'd sent one ! :D

    If it was to be regulated, only in the loosest form: say, like the stairs - not withing x of a door, or something. It's bad enough we have 1000's of houses that look alike outside - we don't want that inside, as well ! :D

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,547 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    Mellor wrote: »
    I'm not sure If i agree.

    I agree that it should be located away from doors and everything else regarding safety.
    Glad we agreed on that point. :)

    As I said its just my own personal opinion and the point above regarding the cooker/door situation is the most important one.


    galwaytt wrote: »
    It's bad enough we have 1000's of houses that look alike outside - we don't want that inside, as well ! :D
    Wouldn't be the case at all. Perhaps rephrasing or clarifying my opinion to state that there should be some regulation or other on where not to put a cooker would leave things a lot simpler :cool:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    muffler wrote: »
    Perhaps rephrasing or clarifying my opinion to state that there should be some regulation or other on where not to put a cooker would leave things a lot simpler :cool:

    :)

    Must be a slow day in paradise, when we're yakking about cookers at 01:30 am LOL..........:D

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,547 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    Insomnia FTW :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,547 ✭✭✭✭Poor Uncle Tom


    foxy06 wrote: »
    Hi

    I was wondering if there are any building regulations on where a cooker is to be positioned in a kitchen?
    There's no point as she moves between the oven, the sink and the fridge.......:D


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