Intel announce more voluntary redundancies

Tillerman08

Intel yesterday announced to employees that they are looking for voluntary redundancies for business needs. Why wasn't the country told about this? It was splashed all over the media when they announced the new R+D facility and the politicians were all about it.

Apparently if they do not get enough numbers it will be an involuntary process. I know for a fact that there are many employees in there who will not be offered positions in the new R+D facility as they do not have the necessary qualifications and these guys are there 15-20years yet recruitment is well under way for the new R+D facility!

It really annoys me when companies like Intel and our so-called government tell us all the good things but when something like this happens it is just swept under the carpet. Things are not all so rosey for many people and for many they will just become another statistic on the live register!

newmug

Thats typical intel style. They are a propaganda machine that would make stalinist russia look like a Father Ted sketch

tHE vAGGABOND

I dont mean to sound bad, and no knowing any details of the story, but if these people dont have the required/desirable skills for the new jobs then you cant just shoe horn them in there, and in the modern world nor can you keep them on for "years" when you dont need them until the new place is built.

That is just the way things work in the modern world.

greendom

tHE vAGGABOND wrote: »

I dont mean to sound bad, and no knowing any details of the story, but if these people dont have the required/desirable skills for the new jobs then you cant just shoe horn them in there, and in the modern world nor can you keep them on for "years" when you dont need them until the new place is built.

That is just the way things work in the modern world.

What happened to up-skilling and promoting from within. I always thought Intel were supposed to be a model employer ?

jester77

greendom wrote: »

What happened to up-skilling and promoting from within. I always thought Intel were supposed to be a model employer ?

I work in IT and upskilling is something you do in your own time.. believe it or not

Could you imagine if these companies were run like the public sector and controlled by the unions :eek: We'd probably still be coding on cards!

There's no one to blame if you don't keep your skills up to date in the private sector except yourself!

DublinWriter

jester77 wrote: »

Could you imagine if these companies were run like the public sector and controlled by the unions :eek: We'd probably still be coding on cards!

Cards? You were lucky. Try setting the sector gearwheels on a Babbage difference engine.

DublinWriter

newmug wrote: »

Thats typical intel style. They are a propaganda machine that would make stalinist russia look like a Father Ted sketch

In Communist Russia, Intel over-clocks you!

nizo888

Tillerman08 wrote: »

I know for a fact that there are many employees in there who will not be offered positions in the new R+D facility as they do not have the necessary qualifications and these guys are there 15-20years yet recruitment is well under way for the new R+D facility!

I

R & D Facility? Which one is this now?

Yes, there were 100 voluntary redundancies announced yesterday that appear to have not been detected by the MSM.

nizo888

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/intel-to-close-factory-with-loss-of-100-jobs-2523091.html

Tillerman08

nizo888 wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/intel-to-close-factory-with-loss-of-100-jobs-2523091.html

Saw that this morning alright. From what I hear there won't be too many taking the option- especially not in these times.

newmug

Tillerman08 wrote: »

Saw that this morning alright. From what I hear there won't be too many taking the option- especially not in these times.

There's about 100 who have no choice. They're only keeping IFO heads with a certain level of qualifications.

nizo888

newmug wrote: »

There's about 100 who have no choice. They're only keeping IFO heads with a certain level of qualifications.

Really? There are 100 people in IFO with nothing more than a Leaving Cert?

Tom Dunne

nizo888 wrote: »

Really? There are 100 people in IFO with nothing more than a Leaving Cert?

It is quite possible.

When ESSM was closed many years back, and employees transferred over, a percentage of them had no more than Leaving Certificate.

Automan

nizo888 wrote: »

Really? There are 100 people in IFO with nothing more than a Leaving Cert?

As far as im aware they are looking for grade 48s only, ie the highest grade possible as a tech/process/cc, if you went into intel with a leaving cert you would start off on grade 41, with a cert in eng grade 43 a diploma grade 44, you then need to build up your experience in order to move up the grades (normally a grade every 3 years if your lucky). I would say the percentage of tech/process/cc who have this grade is small.

newmug

nizo888 wrote: »

Really? There are 100 people in IFO with nothing more than a Leaving Cert?

Yep, plenty. Ex ESSM people, contractors who were converted to permanent down the years etc.

Arciphel

They are only looking for grade 48 techs for the redundancies? Or they only want to keep grade 48s?

Automan

Arciphel wrote: »

They are only looking for grade 48 techs for the redundancies? Or they only want to keep grade 48s?

Want to keep 48s.

keane2097

greendom wrote: »

What happened to up-skilling and promoting from within. I always thought Intel were supposed to be a model employer ?

The job descriptions aren't even close.

Arciphel

The " smart economy " in action. This is the future, PhDs only need to apply. You'll need to be in full time education until your 26/27 before you get your first job the way things are going. Feel sorry for the people who are going to be involuntarily removed from their jobs.

keane2097

Arciphel wrote: »

The " smart economy " in action. This is the future, PhDs only need to apply. You'll need to be in full time education until your 26/27 before you get your first job the way things are going. Feel sorry for the people who are going to be involuntarily removed from their jobs.

I can tell you from experience that this is completely incorrect.

gar32

83 gone today ISP mixed feelings about it but then after 11 years here I come real world

newmug

gar32 wrote: »

83 gone today ISP mixed feelings about it but then after 11 years here I come real world

Was this on the news or something? How come I didnt hear about it? I'm sitting in a bully in Intel right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Whippo

Not sure 83 is the correct figure. They are not gone today either. Friday 25th March is last day on site. Some VSP and ISP folk will be kept back for a few months to complete the deinstall..

x in the city

newmug wrote: »

Thats typical intel style. They are a propaganda machine that would make stalinist russia look like a Father Ted sketch

did an interview there and it was the worst, robotic experience ever. id say you couldnt open your mouth to anyone to have a conversation with, if you did you would probably get a warning.

deffo not the working environment for me. they can f**k themselves with their behavioural bs interviews lolz

bbam

In fairness anyone who is there a number of years knew that this situation of requiring qualifications was on the way... There has been an ongoing availability of free upskilling available to all grades.

There is no point in sugar coating this but if folks haven't availed of the training to prepare for this then it is a situation of their own making...

I am not aware of one employee who was refused education if requested, repeat BE/IR's maybe, but then who spends their money on the dregs of their employees.

newmug

bbam wrote: »

In fairness anyone who is there a number of years knew that this situation of requiring qualifications was on the way... There has been an ongoing availability of free upskilling available to all grades.

There is no point in sugar coating this but if folks haven't availed of the training to prepare for this then it is a situation of their own making...

I am not aware of one employee who was refused education if requested, repeat BE/IR's maybe, but then who spends their money on the dregs of their employees.

Firstly, there wasn't availability of free upskilling available to all grades for at least three years now. And it was never free, it was always based on the whims of whatever supervisor you had. If you invited him to your house for birthday parties and an odd dinner, you got it. If you didnt, you didnt.

Secondly, there are people in that 83 who have higher qualifications than those who got jobs in F24. Intel is not about what you can do, its all about how much you can bullsh1t.

Thirdly, the dregs of their employees, as you so judgmentally and offensively put it, are long gone. Those who were less committed to their jobs, for whatever personal reasons, have been systematically squeezed out in all the previous VSP's / ISP's since 2007. Those left are mostly young, single, educated, basically the cream of the crop, and Intel is making a huge mistake letting them off.

bbam

newmug wrote: »

Firstly, there wasn't availability of free upskilling available to all grades for at least three years now. And it was never free, it was always based on the whims of whatever supervisor you had. If you invited him to your house for birthday parties and an odd dinner, you got it. If you didnt, you didnt..

That's just rubbish, utter rubbish !. There have been huge budgets spent upskilling employees if they wished to avail of it.. in fact there are CURRENTLY employees in courses paid for by Intel.

newmug wrote: »

Secondly, there are people in that 83 who have higher qualifications than those who got jobs in F24. Intel is not about what you can do, its all about how much you can bullsh1t.

Welcome to the real world. A qualification doesn't entitle you to a job, a good interview will often be more important.

newmug wrote: »

Thirdly, the dregs of their employees, as you so judgmentally and offensively put it, are long gone. Those who were less committed to their jobs, for whatever personal reasons, have been systematically squeezed out in all the previous VSP's / ISP's since 2007. Those left are mostly young, single, educated, basically the cream of the crop, and Intel is making a huge mistake letting them off.

I wasn't saying that only the dregs were remaining, my point was that the repeat BE/IR's were the dregs of the employees there and didn't warrant any slice of the further education budget available. Rightly so they were targeted in the early rounds of ISP, actually most should have been given the bullet for under-performance but for a soft HR department.

newmug

bbam wrote: »

That's just rubbish, utter rubbish !. There have been huge budgets spent upskilling employees if they wished to avail of it.. in fact there are CURRENTLY employees in courses paid for by Intel.

Its not rubbish, are you in IFO or F24? If you didnt hear about that little arse-licking scandal, I think its YOU who needs a dose of the real world. There has indeed been large budgets spent on upskilling, past tense my good man. There are 42 people currently upskilling from IFO, and 83 others who, in your words, wished to avail of it, but were told not only could they not upskill, but they could fcuk right off and join the dole queue.

bbam wrote: »

Welcome to the real world. A qualification doesn't entitle you to a job, a good interview will often be more important.

........proving my point exactly. Two candidates go for the same position, one has a cert, the other has a masters, but the cert guy gets the job. In Intel, bullsh1t is the number one currency.

bbam wrote: »

I wasn't saying that only the dregs were remaining, my point was that the repeat BE/IR's were the dregs of the employees there and didn't warrant any slice of the further education budget available. Rightly so they were targeted in the early rounds of ISP, actually most should have been given the bullet for under-performance but for a soft HR department.

I agree. But thats not how you put it. You said:

bbam wrote: »

There is no point in sugar coating this but if folks haven't availed of the training to prepare for this then it is a situation of their own making...

.......... followed by:

bbam wrote: »

I am not aware of one employee who was refused education if requested, repeat BE/IR's maybe, but then who spends their money on the dregs of their employees.

Perhaps you're not aware that training was not as freely available as you seem to think?

bbam

I'm sorry I missed the point here:rolleyes:...
There are always those who moan and b1tch about what goes on in their place of work and how decisions are made. If you disagree so badly with how things operate there are many clearly marked EXITS you could permanently leave by..

For years it was known that this situation in IFO was coming down the line but people still chose not to avail of the free further education available, there is no case to be made now that it's unjust to let them go (VSP or ISP) in order to keep more skilled employees.

ISP is a process where employees who are no longer required (WANTED) are damn well paid to leave.

Whippo

Bbam, you're quite right, you have missed the point here. What part of NO free education do you not get...????? There has not been free education available in many departments for years. It was suggested that you go a pay yourself, I know many such employees. There were also people that did swing the free education in certain departments via asre licking or whatever... Deffo double standards going on...

There are also folk who are leaving via VSP and ISP who just could not commit to signing a new contract whereby a commitment to over 12 months travel to either USA/Israel/China was required...

Incidently, reading through the posts here, you are the only one that appears to be b1tching and moaning here. All others are just stating the facts at hand.

newmug

bbam wrote: »

I'm sorry I missed the point here:rolleyes:...
There are always those who moan and b1tch about what goes on in their place of work and how decisions are made. If you disagree so badly with how things operate there are many clearly marked EXITS you could permanently leave by..

For years it was known that this situation in IFO was coming down the line but people still chose not to avail of the free further education available, there is no case to be made now that it's unjust to let them go (VSP or ISP) in order to keep more skilled employees.

Missed the point is right!

The point is FREE FURTHER EDUCATION IS NOT NOW, NOR WAS NOT MADE AVAILABLE TO ALL EMPLOYEES FOR THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS.

You are simply incorrect in stating that it was.

A second point you're missing is that among those who were qualified enough to apply for reqs in F24, 40 or so were hired, and 83 were not. So saying its their own fault for not upskilling further, regardless of whether intel were paying for it or not, is nonsense.

A third point you're missing is that it was NOT known for years that IFO was doomed. There were MUM's and BUM's where we were all told 1270 was just around the corner, and if we dont get that, it'll be C4, and that we had our greatest year ever, highest profits, lowest costs, world leading employees, F24 will be expanding, one of our fearless leaders even went as far as to say he'd put us "mowing the lawns and painting the place" if we didnt get reqs in F24. Last Wed was the first unofficial sniff of ISP, and it STILL hasn't been officially announced yet.

bbam wrote: »

ISP is a process where employees who are no longer required (WANTED) are damn well paid to leave.

Resorting to pettiness and insults instead of civil discussion again? Or are you agreeing with me that intel is corrupt and selection processes are questionable at best?

fixxer

Never posted on boards before but since this thread relates to me personally I thought it apt to do so.

Now I'm one of the 83 "dregs" that are being let go. I have worked there for over 11 years, I've had 5 promotions in that time from grade 41 up so I think my work must be up to some decent level. Never missed days, worked many Christmases when there would not be a Manager in the place for weeks and on the back of the likes of me and the other "dreg's" hard work it enabled Ireland to win Fab24.
So forgive me if I feel hard done by.

Firstly, the "free upskilling" is a myth, if it was free I should not have paid two grand out of my own pocket each of the last two years for the ENG course I'm doing. So that statement is completely false and misleading.

Secondly, I completely agree and back up what newmug has said. They have treated IFO people very poorly over the last six months. I use the analogy of a donkey and a carrot. Put it out in front of him and he'll keep trotting along. They did that with the people here. Every BUM or MUM things were getting better if we kept up the good work we would have a good chance of jobs. But in typical Intel style they did the complete opposite. Along with the infamous "paint and grass cutting" speech we were distinctly told that if there was a small enough number that in a factory of 4500, jobs should be able to be found, alas another spoof.

I'll also point out there are a lot of people in Fab24 with not qualifications. They moved over from IFO years ago but obviously the criteria does not apply to them.

The last point I'll make is Intel is a PR machine, nothing ever bad happens there, they even waited to the busiest news day of the year at the time, Feb 1st (election date declaration day) to announce the latest VSP's. No one seems to realise over the last three years the have let go at least 800 people. That's nearly a dell but you'll never hear it.

It has taught me a good lesson for the future though and one the workers who are left should well keep in their head. No matter how much you do for Intel and no matter how much they say you are valued you'll only ever be a WWID and a pen stroke away from the door.

meemeep

Sorry to hear of your situation - having been disposed of by another large multinational I know exactly what you mean when you say:

No matter how much you do for ANY BIG COMPANY and no matter how much they say you are valued you'll only ever be a WWID and a pen stroke away from the door.

bbam

This is my last post on this topic just to put out some facts;

I availed of both Engineering and Business degrees which were fully funded by the further education budget in Intel. These were both in Institutes of Technology. I also authorised countless employees to avail of the same totally free oppertunities, some are still continuing their funded study.

I referred to repeat BE/IR type employees as the dregs, I stand by that and they are lucky to get ISP rather than termination without a penny.

ISP is a process where some employees who are no longer wanted/suitable are moved on, some genuinely good employees just no longer have a position in a company and are let go, it's a FACT that grown up's would understand. Call it unfair or corrupt if you wish but it's the way of the world.

IFO Employees were asked/encouraged to upskill over the last 5 years and some did not, they no longer fit the business model. Some employees without further education who have exceptional experience and performance were retained, not an unusual business move.

Working in Intel is no more/less intolerable than most other companies I've worked in.

Yes Intel is a master of PR, but why not? It can work any story into a good news story, fair play.

narddog

newmug wrote: »

Thats typical intel style. They are a propaganda machine that would make stalinist russia look like a Father Ted sketch

Worked in the SC industry for many years, both in Ireland and abroad. Intel are one of the better employers. Not perfect of course, but better than most in their treatment of employees.

doolox

Its a pity to hear about the involuntary layoffs in Intel. I would have thought that further education opportunities were fairly easy to get and I knew of several colleagues who availed of them and got good qualifications as a result. I also knew of several who were coached by resident staff in difficult areas of study as Intel has a huge repository of experts in most fields. The refusals were probably to people with major performance or conduct issues as you had to have a relatively clean bill of health to get the assistance, one bone of contention being refusals due to consistent absence/lateness issues etc.
Having said that I worked for Intel for 13 years and found most of the time there difficult and challenging as did most people I knew and worked with. In 2007 I left on VSP and started sorting my life out after suffering a nervous breakdown on at least 2 to 3 different occasions in my time with the company.

I have moved to a different area of work than electronics or Engineering, something I now recognise that I always had to struggle with. While my level of performance might have been OK 30 yrs ago at the beginning of my career it was not good enough to cope with ever increasing demands of the modern workplace. I would advise anyone leaving on a package to have a long think about remaining in or trying to upskill in Technology. I reckon that unless you are top of your form and able to get distinction scores in you exams or the equivalent in job experience ( frequent recognition and fully meets at all times...) then it is perhaps better to leave technology behind.
BBAM's characterisation of IR's etc as the "dregs", while galling and annoying, is just what most managers are thinking but are too polite, professional and discrete to say out loud in an open forum. Gone are the days when employees are treated as human, they are now seen as production units to be milked for all they are worth and discarded when no longer productive.
Thank God I got out of that Hell in time and good riddance to it. It gives me a cold frisson of horror every time I pass it.

NoseyMike2010

Intel = in hell. Worst place to ever work in. Its the American bull**** that they brainwash you with which is the worst thing.

J6P

Had the unfortunate experience of working for Intel myself.

Anyone losing their job from that kip should thank their lucky stars.

x in the city

from my 1 hour interview i knew it was a balls of a place to work, the term robotic work force comes to mind.

off topic, but what do they actually pay grad engineers up there? for sucking up a hell-ish work environment i hope its good.

newmug

The "dregs" have banded together for a march, it seems!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx6lupC6WyE

neilthefunkeone

At least your not a green badge... Talk about the "dregs"!!!:D

nizo888

Looks good for anyone who works at Intel in Leilxip

http://news.techeye.net/chips/intel-begins-researching-5nm

The new 14nm chips will be made there, starting next year

newmug

Hopefully they'll take a few of us back!

Bandana boy

Never worked for Intel myself but i would expect every company to have the final say in who they put further investment(training,education) in.
I suspect that rather than being based on who is a "lickarse" it was actually based on a performance indicator.

Same with when a decision on who to pick when a job has to be lost.
If Intel where constantly making the wrong decisions on staff then they would have failed as a company by now.

As always ,while hard to hear ,when a company overlooks you for a promotion ,further training etc the fault probably lies with you and not the company.