Has Ireland become a Kleptocracy ?

raymon

I have lost all faith in the system protecting the taxpayer from thieves .

I think that we have become a "Kleptocracy" where public representatives can exploit the system and get away with it .

Is there any honour left in politics or has the years of FF in power eroded it all away ?

nesf

It's not. The problem with the Callelly case was that the Seanad violated his rights under the Constitution when they took the action they did. Let's not blow this out of proportion, if the Seanad took the longer more careful route it'd have infuriated the public but it'd have resulted in a sanction against Callelly that would have stuck and not have been challengeable in court.

raymon

nesf wrote: »

It's not. The problem with the Callelly case was that the Seanad violated his rights under the Constitution when they took the action they did. Let's not blow this out of proportion, if the Seanad took the longer more careful route it'd have infuriated the public but it'd have resulted in a sanction against Callelly that would have stuck and not have been challengeable in court.

You are missing my point completely. We as a country are failing to prosecute our dodgy politicians. This is not about one person who may or may not have forged receipts , or misrepresented his address. It is about countless corruption being tolerated and left unprosecuted.

nesf

raymon wrote: »

You are missing my point completely. We as a country are failing to prosecute our dodgy politicians. This is not about one person who may or may not have forged receipts , or misrepresented his address. It is about countless corruption being tolerated and left unprosecuted.

Eh, we've had very long running, very expensive tribunals prosecuting dodgy politicians for quite some time now..

Really dislike this approach myself due its cost and length but something does seem to happen when politicians are found to be corrupt in this country. Not enough many would say, but to say nothing is done and they are left unprosecuted is factually false.

Shea O'Meara

There are a lot of people out there who don't vote because they view all politicians as being the same; in it for themselves, corrupt, not giving a toss for anyone but their own.

FFail have bolstered this view, but that works in their favour because anyone likely to vote against them who has come to the above conclusion, will simply not vote.

As for Callely, he simply has no honour or moral fortitude. He will go down in history as such. That is all we will get in way of justice.
You're caught red handed, you brazen it out instead of doing the right thing, bowing out.

I and others have hope.

jimmycrackcorm

nesf wrote: »

It's not. The problem with the Callelly case was that the Seanad violated his rights under the Constitution when they took the action they did. Let's not blow this out of proportion, if the Seanad took the longer more careful route it'd have infuriated the public but it'd have resulted in a sanction against Callelly that would have stuck and not have been challengeable in court.

For once I think the Seanads action was well worth the 17k to show up Callelly.

bbbbb

nesf wrote: »

Eh, we've had very long running, very expensive tribunals prosecuting dodgy politicians for quite some time now..
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wrong again, the tribunals are not prosecuting anybody, they're tribunals of inquiry.
No one has gone to jail (apart from a few short stays for contempt of court).

Mr.Micro

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

For once I think the Seanads action was well worth the 17k to show up Callelly.

Indeed, Callely image not viewed favourably by the public....the little twerp can always sue the Seanad and use his own money? Can't see that happening paying instead of taking.

nesf

bbbbb wrote: »

wrong again, the tribunals are not prosecuting anybody, they're tribunals of inquiry.
No one has gone to jail (apart from a few short stays for contempt of court).

You're right, prosecuting is the wrong word. What we do see/have is people's public reputations ruined by them, forever banishing them from public office if the public has any sense. I'll take that over a jail sentence any day because what I want is for those who are corrupt to lose power and not be able to regain it rather than any punishment of them personally per se.

raymon

nesf wrote: »

You're right, prosecuting is the wrong word. What we do see/have is people's public reputations ruined by them, forever banishing them from public office if the public has any sense. I'll take that over a jail sentence any day because what I want is for those who are corrupt to lose power and not be able to regain it rather than any punishment of them personally per se.

In the UK they jail thieves and forgers

whoopdedoo

Shea O'Meara wrote: »

There are a lot of people out there who don't vote because they view all politicians as being the same; in it for themselves, corrupt, not giving a toss for anyone but their own.

and what about the rest that knows nothing is going to change no matter who comes in next?

the same system is going to plug away with the new government "possibly" doing away with a few token quangos to give the impression to the masses that they've "changed" the system!

excuse me french but, democracy me hole!!