Looks like sandy bridge is gonna be recalled due to design flaw..

Tea_Bag

More information here. Sorry I'm on mobile can't post up.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/31/intel-finds-sandy-bridge-chipset-design-flaw-shipments-stopped/

Inquitus

I have one of them, bugger!

Solitaire

Alas, the reward for being an early adopter is almost always PAIN!

Unregistered.

Not good. Anybody thinking they were taking a shortcut with the 6-series chipset?

marco_polo

$300 million ouch, even for a company of Intels size

Posting up the full text for Tea_Bag

A problem requiring a "silicon fix" is bad news in the chipset business, and sadly that's what Intel is announcing. Its new Intel 6 Series chipset, Cougar Point, has been found to have a flaw, something to do with the SATA controller. Intel is indicating that the ports can "degrade over time," leading to poor i/o performance down the road. All shipments have been stopped and a fix has been implemented for new deliveries, but it sounds like recalls will be starting soon for those with this ticking time bomb silicon within. It isn't a critical problem right now, though, so if you own a Sandy Bridge Core i5 or Core i7 system keep computing with confidence while looking for a recall notice, but it is bad news for Intel's bottom line: the company is advising a $300 million hit to revenue.

Solitaire

Unregistered. wrote: »

Not good. Anybody thinking they were taking a shortcut with the 6-series chipset?

Most certainly. The more functionality migrates to the CPU, the less the chipset has to do, and the sloppier they get making them. It wasn't just performance reasons that is causing this integration - its also cheaper and more economical. Thus shortcuts are taken and Failblog inevitably follows...

Hank Scorpio

happy out with my i5-760 now so ! :pac:

Solitaire

+1 :P It would be years before an mITX P67 came out anyway!

seraphimvc

holy!!! i am too sure i should be happy or not lol (didnt help any friend to make sandy bridge build)

hope everyone get their refunds back tho

Nodferatu

and the 3 month wait begins...

grizzly

I was thinking of going to this chip next. If it is garbage, would people recommend AMD? If so anything current of upcoming?

strathspey

......and the cougar point chipset is mostly made in Ireland.

Skerries

Bugger! just ordered one

looks like retailers are pulling the P67/H67 mobos for these

http://www.hardocp.com/news/2011/01/31/microcenter_others_pulling_p67_h67_motherboards/

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4143/the-source-of-intels-cougar-point-sata-bug

tman

grizzly wrote: »

I was thinking of going to this chip next. If it is garbage, would people recommend AMD? If so anything current of upcoming?

They're hardly "garbage"... They still piss all over anything else out there right now (in the opinion of a biased owner), and I'm sure I'll have no problem getting a replacement.
This only affects the 3GBPs ports anyway, so someone with a P8P67 Pro like myself still has 4 other unaffected ports...

If you're thinking of buying, I'd say just hold off a few weeks and be careful that you're getting newer stock which hopefully won't have this issue

From one of the links above;

Intel maintains that Sandy Bridge CPUs are not affected, and current users are highly unlikely to encounter the issue even under heavy loads. So far Intel has only been able to document the issue after running extended testing at high temperatures (in a thermal chamber) and voltages

Thread title is kind of misleading...

Diamond7

Help needed guys!

I just spotted this thread and i'm freaking out...
I just recieved my i5 sandybridge cpu from intel a few days ago and was about to place an order for everything else to hardwareversand to build my first PC. I have read all the links from this thread but am still very unclear as to whats happening.
The problem is on the mobo is this correct? The engadget link says its only the P67 chipset not the H67 if so i would be fine.

The chip is still in the (opened)box. What should i do? Any ideas where I can get more info?

game4it70

Diamond7 wrote: »

Help needed guys!

I just spotted this thread and i'm freaking out...
I just recieved my i5 sandybridge cpu from intel a few days ago and was about to place an order for everything else to hardwareversand to build my first PC. I have read all the links from this thread but am still very unclear as to whats happening.
The problem is on the mobo is this correct? The engadget link says its only the P67 chipset not the H67 if so i would be fine.

The chip is still in the (opened)box. What should i do? Any ideas where I can get more info?

From Intel.

In some cases, motherboards featuring the 6 Series Chipset (P67 & H67) that have Sata devices connected to ports 2-5 could potentially degrade over time.

Motherboards with devices connected to Ports 0 & 1 remain unaffected

So you can still use ports 0 and 1 with no issues while you wait and see if they will recall the mobo or not.I think its only a small percentage of newer mobos that have the fault.
It will be at a good few weeks before the new mobos ship so you have to decide should you buy now and risk having to go through the hassle of swaping mobos if the mobo you buy needs to be recalled (albeit it a very small chance) or just wait for new versions.

Diamond7

Thanks Game4it70

My instinct is to just go for it, but seen as i havn't baught any mobo yet i'd love to find out more.

Solitaire

Solitaire wrote: »

+1 :P It would be years before an mITX P67 came out anyway!

Me and my big mouth

At least it's a H67 - no OCing for you!

mewso

Just noticed on dabs description for the Asus P8P67 that it should be unaffected due to using a Marvel controller and not Intel.

My PC suddenly refused to boot for me the other day (fans spin, stop and repeat with no beeps) and in the course of trying to solve the problem I did what I usually do and start to think of using it as an excuse to do a new build I have a new PSU coming and if that doesn't fix it then I'm probably going to say sod it and move to sandybridge.

Serious withdrawal symptoms here especially seeing as I watch TV on my PC too.

tman

mewso wrote: »

Just noticed on dabs description for the Asus P8P67 that it should be unaffected due to using a Marvel controller and not Intel.

Sounds like a crock of **** to me... The 4 x 3GBPs ports use an Intel controller

/edit
On re-reading that Dabs page, they only really say that 4 of the 8 ports available won't develop the issue

Komplett-Tech: Ryan

marco_polo wrote: »

$300 million ouch, even for a company of Intels size

Posting up the full text for Tea_Bag

300m is the spare change they find down the back of the couch in the janators room. Didn't they just post record fiscal year profits? Still, it's pretty nasty on the consumer.

cian1500ww

Ah feck, got a P8P67 PRO last week

20goto10

Just bought an Asus N53s the other week. Seems I've dodged a bullet on this one, the 2630QM is unaffected. Happy Friday :-)

Check here to see if you are affected:
http://www.intel.com/Consumer/Products/Processors/chipset.htm

Unregistered.

20goto10 wrote: »

Just bought an Asus N53s the other week. Seems I've dodged a bullet on this one, the 2630QM is unaffected. Happy Friday :-)

Hate to burst your bubble, but there is nothing wrong with any of the processors. It's their chipsets.

ScumLord

So me new PC is already suffering problems and I haven't even got the thing yet.

20goto10

Unregistered. wrote: »

Hate to burst your bubble, but there is nothing wrong with any of the processors. It's their chipsets.

Yes and the 2630QM does not use the faulty chipsets. <B><snip></B>

Edit: apologies for the incorrect information, anything purchased after 9th of Jan MAY be affected.

Follow the steps in the link to see if you are affected.

Unregistered.

20goto10 wrote: »

Yes and the 2630QM does not use the faulty chipsets. Not only that but if you purchased after the 9th of January then you are unlikely to be affected.

Follow the steps in the link to see if you are affected.

Sandy Bridge wasn't out before 9th of January... Therefore, if this is affecting all Cougar point chipsets, which it is, your laptop will be using one of those chipsets.

mewso

Your link says if you purchased it after Jan 9th then you may be affected but you are not affected if you purchased before then.

20goto10

mewso wrote: »

Your link says if you purchased it after Jan 9th then you may be affected but you are not affected if you purchased before then.

Ah yes of course. Apologies I'm on a smart phone. Like I say, follow the steps. No need to listen to me or anyone else after that.

20goto10

Unregistered. wrote: »

Sandy Bridge wasn't out before 9th of January... Therefore, if this is affecting all Cougar point chipsets, which it is, your laptop will be using one of those chipsets.

No hang on, you're right about the date I got that backwards. But I'm still in the clear because the i7 2630QM does not use the faulty chipset.

lynchie

20goto10 wrote: »

No hang on, you're right about the date I got that backwards. But I'm still in the clear because the i7 2630QM does not use the faulty chipset.

Your not in the clear.. All Sandy bridge CPU's are UNAFFECTED. Its the chipset that is the issue. That page you quoted above is actually missing some processors so its misleading. The correct way to determine if you have the issue is if you are using the series 6 chipset. Details here

Unregistered.

20goto10 wrote: »

No hang on, you're right about the date I got that backwards. But I'm still in the clear because the i7 2630QM does not use the faulty chipset.

It uses Cougar Point chipsets. These are the chipsets being recalled. To put it simply - if you're using a sandy bridge cpu, this affects you. Although it's not an immediate concern, so don't worry about it. You're best off contacting your laptop manufacturer and see what they are doing.

20goto10

Thanks guys. I spoke to Intel and everything you say is correct. If you have the chipset shown in lynchie's link then you've got the flaw.

Sorry for any confusion

Pain in the rocks, my laptop will eventually have to be shipped back to Asus.

Unregistered.

20goto10 wrote: »

Thanks guys. I spoke to Intel and everything you say is correct. If you have the chipset shown in lynchie's link then you've got the flaw.

Sorry for any confusion

Pain in the rocks, my laptop will eventually have to be shipped back to Asus.

I'd definitely hold off for a while though. You'd want to do it when they have plenty of replacement parts (whether it's a new mobo or a repair) so you get a quick turn around.

mewso

Tbh it's not like it works this way but I would insist that the replacement be sent out first and on receipt I will return the product.

Nothingbetter2d

the cpu is fine...the problem is in the chipset that certain motherboard use to support the cpu.

mewso

Well new PSU solved my problem so I won't be switching yet. I did the ATI fanboy thing, though, and got a 6950 so a new toy anyway

Trevor451

if you were to add a PCi sata card and not use the affected sata ports there would be no problem right?

tman

Trevor451 wrote: »

if you were to add a PCi sata card and not use the affected sata ports there would be no problem right?

Yep - even if the problem did occur by some horrible stoke of luck, you wouldn't notice it due to not using the affected ports.
I'm in two minds about sending mine back... Currently have 4 sata devices so it'll never really be a problem for me (P8P67 Pro), but at the same time I want to add an SSD at some stage...

game4it70

tman wrote: »

I'm in two minds about sending mine back... Currently have 4 sata devices so it'll never really be a problem for me (P8P67 Pro), but at the same time I want to add an SSD at some stage...

I would if i where you,just for the resale value alone.

Wonda-Boy

Jaysus, relax....its all good in sandy hood.......

If you have multiple HDDs and sata DVD etc you MIGHT have a problem sooner or later. The 6 sata and the marvell satas are not affected so for those (LIKE ME) that only have 4 items to install its fine. I will PROBABLY at some stage buy another of the same board and get it 1st then send the old one back and get refunded so I am not without my rig for a week or so. Yes its stupid and yes its messy but not as bad as if the CPU's were faulty.

I have a 2500K @ 4.8ghz with an Asus P8P67 Deluxe and 8GB DDR3 upgraded from a Q9450 rig....and it is FLYING!!!!

BTW

For people with Asus P8P 67 mobos there is a misprint in my manual that might confuse people if the same in theirs. The light blue sata ports (4) are the FAULTY PORTS the dark blue (2) are not the 600 sata ports they are the MARVELL sata ports (ideally use these for DVD ROMs etc. Its the GREY sata ports (2) that are the 600 sata. Use these for the HDDs....they are labelled wrong in my manual. :eek:

ScumLord

I'm using all the sata ports bar one on my asus P8P67 PRO, will this mean I'll definitely run into trouble?

I currently have the SSD with my OS plugged into the 6gb port should I move it to a 3gb one just to prevent possible errors? The cd drive and front ports won't get used much so I can leave them on the 6gb ones but I will still be left with one HD using a 6gb port.

grizzly

AFAIK it's the 6gb ports you want to be using – keep the 3gb free (if possible) until you get a replacement.

tman

ScumLord wrote: »

I'm using all the sata ports bar one on my asus P8P67 PRO, will this mean I'll definitely run into trouble?

It's by no means definite... Intel reproduced this issue by putting the machines under extreme stress for a massive duration of time in an already warm environment.

If by some chance this does happen to the average joe, it's not going to happen overnight.
Just wait until this is all sorted, order a replacement motherboard and then send your original one back for a refund, there's nothing at all to panic about here!