Looking for a custom kitchen panel

coylemj

I'm looking to get a custom panel for a dishwasher in the same style as my existing kitchen panels, I've tried all of the main kitchen outfits but they don't do custom panels, just whatever is in their catalogue.

The style I was told at the time I got the kitchen is 'Cathedral'. I've asked the company who supplied the original kitchen and they can't help, they used to get custom panels made up in Holland but that factory has closed.

I need a panel 598 (W) x 687 (H) mm for a dishwasher, preferably in solid oak with no hinges or handles. I can stain it myself and get it lacquered by a local cabinet maker so I can take the panel untreated. If it would help I could bring one of my doors to a potential supplier so that it could be cloned if someone had the equipment that can do that or just for one of their chippies to see.

Black Bloc

Is it the case that you can't get a door 24"x27", or just one in that stile (late 80s early 90s?).

coylemj

Black Bloc wrote: »

Is it the case that you can't get a door 24"x27", or just one in that stile (late 80s early 90s?).

Both. There is a crowd in the UK who do a similar style, it's also Cathedral but is missing the inner groove. However they won't ship to ROI.

The width by the way is dictated by the dishwasher specs., this needs to be exactly 598 mm, the height (687) is to match the press beside it, a couple of mm here or there on the height probably wouldn't matter.

fm

have seen doors similar to it but without the inner groove,there is a company in galway called loughnanes who make doors,it will be v hard to match it exactly but they do any size

http://www.loughnanesjoinery.ie/index.php?page=kitchen-products

Black Bloc

coylemj wrote: »

Both. There is a crowd in the UK who do a similar style, it's also Cathedral but is missing the inner groove. However they won't ship to ROI.

The width by the way is dictated by the dishwasher specs., this needs to be exactly 598 mm, the height (687) is to match the press beside it, a couple of mm here or there on the height probably wouldn't matter.

The best solution, my humble opion, would be to bring an existing panel and your measurements to a kithcen manufacturer. Have a look at <a href="http://www.heritagekitchens.ie/product_detail.asp?prodId=S80Traditional_collection2&catId=63&key=&fr=0">Heritage Kitchens</a> offerings. They do a cathedral style. Ask for Martin. He is the owner.

coylemj

Thanks for the responses, I have lashed off e-mails to Loughnanes in Monivea and Heritage in Trim, will see what happens.

JoeB-

I wonder what your budget is? Is is 100 Euro, 200, or more?


The door doesn't seem to be a rail and stile door... although it must be. If you look closely at the joins between the rails and stiles the corners are slightly rounded... these should be square if it's a standard 'rail & stile' door.

So it almost appears as if the mouldings, which would normally be part of the rails and stiles, were actually done after the door was assembled. But then the panel would have been in the way. I wonder what the back of the door looks like?, and the top edge?.


I think matching a door like this is very difficult, or impossible.,.. unless someone is prepared to spend time and perhaps purchase new tooling to make it.

Black Bloc

JoeBallantine wrote: »

I wonder what your budget is? Is is 100 Euro, 200, or more?


The door doesn't seem to be a rail and stile door... although it must be. If you look closely at the joins between the rails and stiles the corners are slightly rounded... these should be square if it's a standard 'rail & stile' door.

So it almost appears as if the mouldings, which would normally be part of the rails and stiles, were actually done after the door was assembled. But then the panel would have been in the way. I wonder what the back of the door looks like?, and the top edge?.


I think matching a door like this is very difficult, or impossible.,.. unless someone is prepared to spend time and perhaps purchase new tooling to make it.

If the OP is lucky, the kitchen companies will already have templates for that style of panel. Anything curved in wood is expensive. You are right that if everything has to be made from scratch, it won't be cheap.

coylemj

Thanks for the interest in this lads, here is a much better photo of front and rear and I have also stored a few in an album on pix.ie which shows close-ups of the corners and the rear as requested by JoeBallantine..

Don't forget that in pix.ie when you're looking at a photo you can click on 'more sizes' above the photo to go to the full resolution original photo, they're all 6 Mp.

http://pix.ie/coylemj/album/400549

JoeB-

Well, the rounded corners can be clearly seen at the join between the rails and stiles. This leads me to suspect that the profiling around the outside of the center panel, (on the rails and stiles themselves), was done after the door was assembled.


I have done something similar on occasion.. by making a square edged Shaker style door.. clamping it temporarily in glued position, with the center panel removed... then routing around the inside perimeter... then dis-assemble, and re-assemble with the center panel in position.

That was ok for me.. a small cabinet maker working alone at the time... but I can't imagine that the pictured doors were made in that way... but they are not normal 'rail & stile' doors.


The raised panel is tricky... there is a very wide flat section. My spindle moulder is too small for that. To match the panel would require the correct tooling, which isn't cheap.

For example... here's a tooling set for windows for 2,500
http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-axminster-window-system-prod684775/


and another for 8,000
http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-axminster-dual-window-system-prod797146/


So while the door can be made it might not be possible to match exactly (without the original tooling), and it may take hours and hours, .. of testing and changing setup,.. and running samples.

It's just not worth it.

JoeB-

It can be seen on the above image what I mean about the curve between the rails and stiles... this would normally be square, and the profile on the stile would continue underneath the rail.

The inner groove is also highlighted, between the purple lines.

(Stiles go up and down, rails go across)







It can be seen here that the inner groove isn't perfect.. it overruns in the corner I've circled.

So what does this mean?
Did a computer controlled machine overrun?
Or was this done by hand!!!!, with a router and a template!!!

dubtom

This actually looks quite similar to a TV unit I have, got it from a Dutch furniture shop moons ago.You mentioned it was probably made by a Dutch maker earlier, probably worth having a browse in any Dutch furniture shops who are still trading,they may have a contact. In saying that though,I'm not sure if Dutch furniture is still popular,those shops used to be 10 a penny.

galwayrush

I made something similar for a customer some time back. Let me know if you don't have any luck.

coylemj

Folks, thanks for all the feedback on this. Martin in Heritage Kitchens in Trim is going to give it a go, I'll be calling over to him this week with one of my existing doors to let him have a look at it in the flesh as I'll need a reasonable colour match and you can't trust photos for this.