Pumps.ie -> prices expained

CarMuppet

http://pumps.ie/FAQPricesExplained.php

Am I reading this correct? The base price of diesel is more than petrol?

(sorry if this has been done before)

Cheers
Michael

JaneB

I was watching an episode of a TV programme from the 70s last night, and a man pulled into a garage and asked for "three star petrol". I had totally forgotten that there used be grades of petrol--super, regular etc. whereas now there is only one grade of petrol. Why is this?

doctorchopper

JaneB wrote: »

I was watching an episode of a TV programme from the 70s last night, and a man pulled into a garage and asked for "three star petrol". I had totally forgotten that there used be grades of petrol--super, regular etc. whereas now there is only one grade of petrol. Why is this?

Because no one wants to pay for premium petrol anymore (or no one can afford it). As well as the average modern cars don't require hi octane fuel. It pisses me off that i can't get premium fuel anymore as i need it for my race bike.

JaneB

doctorchopper wrote: »

Because no one wants to pay for premium petrol anymore (or no one can afford it). As well as the average modern cars don't require hi octane fuel. It pisses me off that i can't get premium fuel anymore as i need it for my race bike.

So on the 2,3,4 star scale, what would modern petrol be?

doctorchopper

the old fuel contained lead, but a 4 star was around 97 octane, most modern regular unleaded pump fuel is 95 octane(ie maxol), star was around 93 and 1 star was around 90 octane.

jaffa20

Government take(Diesel)- 72.33c/litre
Government take(Petrol)- 84.77c/litre

What ever about Base Price. That is just depressing.

The Guvnor

Just today I was wondering and was going to ask/post about how much does a garage on average make per litre of fuel sold?

The Guvnor

Should have looked at the link first!:)

JaneB

doctorchopper wrote: »

the old fuel contained lead, but a 4 star was around 97 octane, most modern regular unleaded pump fuel is 95 octane(ie maxol), star was around 93 and 1 star was around 90 octane.

Thanks

Absurdum

just noticed this Android App on pumps.ie
http://pumps.ie/viewPost.php?Post_ID=382

could be useful!

L1011

doctorchopper wrote: »

the old fuel contained lead, but a 4 star was around 97 octane, most modern regular unleaded pump fuel is 95 octane(ie maxol), star was around 93 and 1 star was around 90 octane.

Maxol's is 99.2 and indeed the vast majority of fuel sold in Ireland is somewhere over 95. Its not illegal to sell fuel over the octane you state, only under.

doctorchopper

MYOB wrote: »

Maxol's is 99.2 and indeed the vast majority of fuel sold in Ireland is somewhere over 95. Its not illegal to sell fuel over the octane you state, only under.

was on to maxol the other day and they stated their fuel is 95 octane.

L1011

doctorchopper wrote: »

was on to maxol the other day and they stated their fuel is 95 octane.

Whoever you were on to was either wrong or imaginary.

Maxol's own website states 99 and nothing else. They get it from Whitegate refinery who supply 99.2 and nothing else, clearly Maxol can't be bothered with the .2.

longhalloween

The Guvnor wrote: »

Just today I was wondering and was going to ask/post about how much does a garage on average make per litre of fuel sold?

They make about 1-4c per litre, which is close to nothing. if some guy drives off without paying for 20 quids worth, they might lose a months petrol profits.

ianobrien

MYOB wrote: »

Whoever you were on to was either wrong or imaginary.

Maxol's own website states 99 and nothing else. They get it from Whitegate refinery who supply 99.2 and nothing else, clearly Maxol can't be bothered with the .2.

Are you sure you are not getting E5 fuel mixed up with "standard" unleaded?

Did you get Cert's of Analysis from Maxol?

Are you saying that all fuel from Whitegate is 99 octane (it most certainly was not when I worked in the lab there!)

I know of race engines/cars that were mapped on UK 97 & 99 octane fuels and they had to be remapped when running irish unleaded to stop pre-detonation or pinking. It was down to the reduced octane number of Irish Pump fuels

L1011

ianobrien wrote: »

Are you sure you are not getting E5 fuel mixed up with "standard" unleaded?

There is no "standard unleaded" wholesaled or refined in Ireland and there hasn't been for some time. Its all E5-E7, of varying octanes, and Whitegate produce 99.2 and only 99.2

CarMuppet

Anyhow.... So em diesel is more expensive to import than petrol? I don't understand... Demand versus supply?

ianobrien

MYOB wrote: »

There is no "standard unleaded" wholesaled or refined in Ireland and there hasn't been for some time. Its all E5-E7, of varying octanes, and Whitegate produce 99.2 and only 99.2

So is everyone supplying 99 octane fuel (Maxol, Statoil, Shell etc)?

One thing, if the ethanol amount differs by up to 2% (E5 to E7), and they have the same octane number, the distillation profiles would be different and thus have different physical properties.

Strangely, given the anecdotal evidence from competition engine builders, I seriously doubt that all pump fuel is 99octane. The reason for this is when cars have been mapped onto certified 99 octane fuel, there has been a serious power jump.

pete4130

longhalloween wrote: »

They make about 1-4c per litre, which is close to nothing. if some guy drives off without paying for 20 quids worth, they might lose a months petrol profits.

Wow, they only make €20 profit from petrol a month???
Even at 1c profit per litre, thats 2000L to recoup €20 lost profit....which is about 40 Ford Focus filling up (50L approx)....or 10 Ford Focus if its 4c profit per litre.

Anan1

longhalloween wrote: »

They make about 1-4c per litre, which is close to nothing.

I've heard this said many times, and yet prices vary from outlet to outlet by a lot more than 3c per litre.

L1011

ianobrien wrote: »

So is everyone supplying 99 octane fuel (Maxol, Statoil, Shell etc)?

One thing, if the ethanol amount differs by up to 2% (E5 to E7), and they have the same octane number, the distillation profiles would be different and thus have different physical properties.

Strangely, given the anecdotal evidence from competition engine builders, I seriously doubt that all pump fuel is 99octane. The reason for this is when cars have been mapped onto certified 99 octane fuel, there has been a serious power jump.

Statoil and Shell don't exist here anymore and again, haven't for some years...

Other than what is made in Whitegate *all other fuel* in Ireland is imported in refined form. This is anywhere from E5 to E7 and anywhere from 95 to 99 octane. Its entirely unpredictable and that's why nobody other than Maxol publishes a higher octane number.

L1011

Anan1 wrote: »

I've heard this said many times, and yet prices vary from outlet to outlet by a lot more than 3c per litre.

Smaller outlets have to buy delivery charges for taking partial loads; but the biggest factor in fuel prices is purely when the station in question gets a delivery.

PaddyTheNth

CarMuppet wrote: »

Anyhow.... So em diesel is more expensive to import than petrol? I don't understand... Demand versus supply?

Probably. You get almost twice as much petrol from refining a barrel of oil as you do diesel.

I met a guy about 8 years ago who was working for one of the big oil companies and he said that the supply of diesel was artificially restricted by the big refineries...ie that they were basically stockpiling massive amounts of it.

pajor

Diesel now has to be processed more to remove the massive amounts of sulphur in it (I have reason to believe) and that's one reason anyway, why the base cost is higher.

Also, the only petrol station chain that gets all it's fuel from Whitegate is Great Gas so who knows what exactly is the octane rating etc of every brands' petrol.

gpjordanf1

It was on the Matt Cooper show yesterday that of you buy a liter of fuel for €1.50

Then the government take €1.00 or 66%, could this become an election issue as were reaching a point
Where people won't be able to afford to fuel their vehicles as regularly as before.
Haven't heard anything about it from any party in fact.
Robbery