Improving Trigger Response ?

Jams

Hi

I'm wondering what's the best way to improve an AEG's trigger response in semi auto mode i.e. to minimise the time between pressing the trigger and the BB emerging from the barrel.

Is it :- a) High speed motor, b) Some form of MOSFET, c) LiPo, d) Something else ?

Any input greatly appreciated.

bullets

Jams wrote: »

Hi

I'm wondering what's the best way to improve an AEG's trigger response in semi auto mode i.e. to minimise the time between pressing the trigger and the BB emerging from the barrel.

Is it :- a) High speed motor, b) Some form of MOSFET, c) LiPo, d) Something else ?

Any input greatly appreciated.

I read a post someplace (not here on boards) about people complaining about mosfets.
Specifically active braking ones that caused a long term negative effect. There was also a mention of only really needing them if going above 9.6volts (Dont know why as cant remember the reason)

I would love to try out some of these mosfets interesting that you can
program them with trigger pulls :-)
http://extreme-fire.com/SW-CHEETAH-2N.html

I recently changed two of my AEG's over to Deans Connectors and noticed that the guns felt much more responsive when firing, and noticed an increase in fire too on auto.
must add deans connectors to a few more at the weekend.


a few of the regulars on here suggested this place to me to buy them
http://component-shop.co.uk
You can buy a male/female pack with shrink wrap for 1UKP
(the shrink wrap is too large a diameter for bog standard wire found in stock AEG's though so
wont shrink enough when heated) Dont forget to buy a Deans connector for your battery charger too!


The standard Tamiya Connector's (are crap) have very little surface area so I reckon act more like a resistor, when
you compare it to the deans. I know next to nothing about electronics but I'm guessing
it allows the gun to draw more current from the battery faster.
(Bullets reminds himself to try and read past page 4 of electronics for dummies that he downloaded to his kindle app!)

Almost forgot, the same website sells cheap batteries.
Got this 9.6vNimh which had 25A discharge output.
and it comes with a Deans already on it for free if you select
the option on the drop down list when adding to shopping cart.

~B

Leftyflip

Hi Jimmy,
low resistance wiring, Deans connectors (as Bullets said) and a high torque motor, not high speed. In the F2000, I'm running all of the above the response is wonderful on a 9.6, I'll let you have a look if you're out Sunday and talk to you about it more then
Ger.

THE MINDER

As bullets pointed out DEANS CONNECTERS-REDUCES RESISTANCE
The Cheetah will improve crispness/feel-but cant make the motor faster than its capacity will allow.
High speed motor.
Suitable battery with suffuicient 'C' rating to run motor to its optimum performance.C rating being the amperage available on demand.
As lefty pointed out low reistance wire-try 16AWG silicone-AWG being the amount of actual core wire contained.
High speed gears.
You can advance the gear timing ever so slightly -that is to say the nub on the front of sector gear can be set somewhere before the recommed 'ONE O'CLOCK' setting-say about 12.30.
You can also close the female prongs on the female side of the switch ever so slightly so you need less trigger travel to make contact-may also help reduce resistance.
Think that might be enough to be going on with-in fact if you do all that
the aeg might just start firing before you even pick it up!:D:D:D

Jams

That's some good info guys - Thanks !

I'm getting the message - Get Deans Connectors ! Thanks Bullets, that looks like a great web site.

The Cheetah looks fun, but will have to wait for a while.

Minder - There's lots to try there. I'm working on an Ares Tavor which has a microswitch trigger so I can't do the prongs thing.

Now regarding motors - Lefty, when you said a high torque, I thought - yeah, I was wrong to think high speed 'cos in semi auto mode the motor is starting from standstill so it's accelleration not speed that matters. I know in a car and engine's torque is important for accelleration, but power determines high speed. But Minder, you're saying a high speed motor, so now I'm confused.

Any specifc motor that you guys recommend ?

Thanks again

THE MINDER

Any specifc motor that you guys recommend ?

High torque motor can work well with a high speed gear set providing the output of your battery is sufficient-suggest guarder infinite torque version.

Original speed gear set will require a high speed motor to get rapid response-suggest G+P M12O- with this set up dont use any more than a LARGE TYPE 8.4v or a MINI TYPE 9.6v

Hope this helps,
Dave.

MagicIRL

Can you put deans connectors on a LiPo battery or are they only designed for NiMh?

Private Snafu

It's the exact same just be doubly sure not to short out a lipo

Leftyflip

MagicIRL wrote: »

Can you put deans connectors on a LiPo battery or are they only designed for NiMh?

Yes, infact they're much better for lipos due to the current loads, etc.

lperrozzi wrote: »

It's the exact same just be doubly sure not to short out a lipo

*Lefty remembers lipos balance lead incident.....*

thermo

in some guns there is an excess of wiring, you could try shortening any wiring where possible.

Mando Commando

That battery seems to be the same as the ones that QAS sell, I found them to be a good ones. Have one for over a year, been used regularly enough along with others, it still holds a good charge.