IKC registration

Kaylami · 27-01-2011 12:17pm #1

Hi everyone,
So i've decided to get a new gsd. After boo died we were very upset and weve decided we'd like a new dog around the house.

I've found a man selling pups and decided to get one off him. (he lives near me so I know hes not a puppy farmer).
I just wondered if the mother and father are reg and have papers can I register the pup myself once shes microchipped? He wants an extra €200 to register her and its only €13 a pup so id rather do it myself?
Anyone have any ideas?

Toulouse · 27-01-2011 12:23pm

AFAIK only the breeder can register the pup so no, you can't do it yourself.

andreac · 27-01-2011 12:27pm

No, you cannot register her, only the breeder can. Tbh i would be questioning why he wants to charge another 200euro to have the pup registered, alarm bells ringing.

I know they have to be microchipped to be IKC reg but it doesnt cost 200euro to do all that.

Just so you know, just because he lives near you, doesnt mean hes not a puppy farmer. A puppy farmer doesnt necessarily have to be breeding loads of dogs, they just breed purely for money with no regard to health or welfare of the pup.
This breeder sounds like thats all hes in it for if you ask me:rolleyes:

Shanao · 27-01-2011 12:29pm

€13 a pup? Are you saying he's selling the pups for €13 euro? Or was that meant to be €130?
I'm pretty sure only the breeder can register the pups as well but it does cost to register them so that's why he's asking for more. I'm with andreac on this, be very careful. Even if you're convinced he's not a puppy farmer there are plenty of backyard breeders out there too who care little for the dogs health or welfare

andreac · 27-01-2011 12:31pm

Shanao wrote: »

€13 a pup? Why is he only selling them for €13 euro?
I'm pretty sure only the breeder can register the pups as well but it does cost to register them so that's why he's asking for more.

€13 to register the pup with the IKC.

Shanao · 27-01-2011 12:33pm

Bleh, thought about that afterwards. Three hours of sleep is never a good idea:D My brain appears to have vanished on me.

koneko · 27-01-2011 12:34pm

I would stay clear of any breeder who claims extra to register pups. Why wouldn't he register them anyway? It doesn't cost him 200 euro to register the pups.

I'd research breeders and find a reputable one. You'd want the parents to be hip scored for instance. Has he had the parents hip scored? What were their results? Does he give you any details on their family tree?

Kaylami · 27-01-2011 12:41pm

koneko wrote: »

I would stay clear of any breeder who claims extra to register pups. Why wouldn't he register them anyway? It doesn't cost him 200 euro to register the pups.

I'd research breeders and find a reputable one. You'd want the parents to be hip scored for instance. Has he had the parents hip scored? What were their results? Does he give you any details on their family tree?

Parents are hipscored. He gave copies of family tree of both dogs. I havent bought the pup. i wanted to get opinions before I bought. everything seems above board only the reg cost he lied about how much that cost. its 50 tops to microchip + reg.

Would your advice be to keep looking?

koneko · 27-01-2011 12:50pm

Personally? Yes, I always find it a bit iffy when someone advertises pups and then 200 euro extra to reg them. Reputable breeders tend to register their pups anyway and want the dogs to be microchipped to make sure they can be returned to their owners. It just seems.... odd.

koneko · 27-01-2011 12:51pm

What were the hip scores for both parents btw? Presume you saw the certs. Would be interesting to see if they're good scores.

DBCyc · 27-01-2011 12:53pm

This seems quite common now. My parents were looking for a pup and the breeder had one price for without IKC registration and around €200 extra with it. I told them to steer clear.

I don't understand why they are doing this if it costs them less than half to register the dog and have it chipped. There's something really dodgy about this IMO.

Tranceypoo · 27-01-2011 1:16pm

DBCyc wrote: »

This seems quite common now. My parents were looking for a pup and the breeder had one price for without IKC registration and around €200 extra with it. I told them to steer clear.

I don't understand why they are doing this if it costs them less than half to register the dog and have it chipped. There's something really dodgy about this IMO.

To make even more money??

To the OP, if he's lying about how much it costs to register them, how do you know he isn't lying about everything else, ie the hip scores? I would study them closely and get them 'verified' if that's even possible.

Kaylami · 27-01-2011 1:41pm

he gave me a photocop of the hipscores doc to take to the vet along with photocpies of parents papers and their family tree. I told him I wanted to get puppy checked out before I buy. The vet said the mothers hipscores were good but fathers were just average. think his was 14 Mothers was lower. vet had already vacc pup for parvo and i saw the record sheet. vet said all seemed to be in order pup was in great condition, already being well socialised. Just this thing over the reg has me worried?

andreac · 27-01-2011 1:50pm

Just ask him why is he charging an extra 200 euro to have the pup registered as you know it doesnt cost more than 20 euro to have the pup registered with the IKC.

If he starts reacting badly then you just know to walk away. Just wondering why you would need to bring hip scores to the vet, there wouldnt be any reason for that

The hip scores would be for the parents so they wouldnt have any relevence really for the pup you are getting, only that you know that the parents have been done.
the average for a German Shepherd is 18 so you should be looking for scores below that or not any more than that.

Noctua · 27-01-2011 1:54pm

Personally I'd avoid this guy like the plague. I breed labs and under no circumstances would I offer a pup for sale without IKC registration, microchip (which you are obliged to do in order to register them), flea treatment, worming schedule etc. all documented.

It normally costs around €22 per puppy at the vet to administer the first vaccine and insert a chip.

It costs €13 per puppy for IKC registration, so the extra €200 is outrageous.

koneko · 27-01-2011 1:55pm

Yeah, 14 would be average ish I believe, but not that great. Depends as well on the ratio, like if it was 7 - 7, sure, but 14 is combined, it could be low on one and high on the other, which you don't want.

I think 20 or less is what is recommended, but ideally a lot less (our GSD's parents have really really low hip scores, even scores on sides too). I think they're relevant, if both parents had bad hip scores they shouldn't be bred from and the pup can have issues later on.

I'd be bothered/worried about the IKC reg too. I see no reason a good breeder would do that, it doesn't cost him that much to reg a puppy, and if it were me, I'd want to make sure they're registered and microchipped before going to a new home.

Kaylami · 27-01-2011 1:57pm

andreac wrote: »

Just ask him why is he charging an extra 200 euro to have the pup registered as you know it doesnt cost more than 20 euro to have the pup registered with the IKC.

If he starts reacting badly then you just know to walk away. Just wondering why you would need to bring hip scores to the vet, there wouldnt be any reason for that
The hip scores would be for the parents so they wouldnt have any relevence really for the pup you are getting, only that you know that the parents have been done.
the average for a German Shepherd is 18 so you should be looking for scores below that or not any more than that.

Andreac I just took them when I was taking pup to get checked out purely because I didnt know what was good or bad and to make sure the doc were valid etc.

DBCyc · 27-01-2011 2:01pm

Tranceypoo wrote: »

To make even more money??

To the OP, if he's lying about how much it costs to register them, how do you know he isn't lying about everything else, ie the hip scores? I would study them closely and get them 'verified' if that's even possible.

Yep of course to make more money, but why do they give the option to buy without the papers for 200 less, why not 50-60 less? Anyway, the obvious thing is that these breeders do not have the best interests of the animals at heart.

The only way to make money from dog breeding is to cut corners and by doing this they neglect the animals. Puppy farmers or not, I would steer well clear.

andreac · 27-01-2011 2:01pm

So have you bought the pup already?? Have you given him the money hes looking for?

Kaylami · 27-01-2011 2:07pm

andreac wrote: »

So have you bought the pup already?? Have you given him the money hes looking for?

Haven't bought the pup I said I wanted to take it to the vet before I agreed to anything. I didnt if she was ikc reg or not as Im planning on getting her spayed but I just text him today to see how much extra it wud be to register her. I sent him another text there to see why so much to reg.

andreac · 27-01-2011 2:12pm

It will be interesting to see what they say.

To be honest, its very strange that they have let you take the pup from them, i dont know any responsible breeders that would let you take a pup from them without paying etc unless you know them very well.

How did you find this breeder? Were they recommended? Its just strange that they would not automatically register the litter anyway and come sold as registered if they are good breeders, this would come as standard.

How much are they looking for the pup anyway, without the extra 200?

The whole situation doesnt read well at all, thats my opinion.

Kaylami · 27-01-2011 2:22pm

andreac wrote: »

It will be interesting to see what they say.

To be honest, its very strange that they have let you take the pup from them, i dont know any responsible breeders that would let you take a pup from them without paying etc unless you know them very well.

How did you find this breeder? Were they recommended? Its just strange that they would not automatically register the litter anyway and come sold as registered if they are good breeders, this would come as standard.

How much are they looking for the pup anyway, without the extra 200?

The whole situation doesnt read well at all, thats my opinion.

Through a friend. She knew I was looking for a pup and his dog just had some pups.
They let me take the pup to vet as my partner stayed with them while I went. (vet is like 5 mins away)
He text me back there saying its only extra €20 to register the pup. Apparently he typed it wrong in the earlier message.
That seems a bit more reasonable.

They are looking for €200 a pup.

andreac · 27-01-2011 2:27pm

Hmmm, just wondering were they trying to pull a fast one and try and get away with charging you 200euro extra. 200 euro is very cheap for a pedigree pup.
Do you know how old the mother is? How many litters shes had?

Kaylami · 27-01-2011 2:35pm

I thought of that before I sent it so I sent the msg saying
" how much is it again to reg the pup?"
He text me back €20 to cover the cost of reg, admin fee and postage.
So I said you text me it was €200 earlier and he said Im sorry it was a mistake.

Kaylami · 27-01-2011 2:40pm

The mother is 3 will be 4 in October. This was her first litter and she is being spayed after it.

ISDW · 27-01-2011 4:50pm

well, we all make mistakes, and our fingers can slip while texting. The way you phrased the question, and the way you answered, it actually seems above board. Also the fact that he's having the bitch spayed seems like it may have been an accidental mating, or that he believes all bitches should have one litter, hence the low price. Maybe good homes are more important to him than the money, especially as he kind of knows you.

I actually think that with hip scored parents, and the vacc record that you have, if you're happy with the pup and with the parents, then best of luck:D

koneko · 27-01-2011 5:01pm

If it was a genuine error then that explains it, that was making me feel uneasy with it, but I agree with ISDW. It sounds like an accidental mating, or he wanted to have one pup from the mother so wanted to mate her once. If the paperwork is legit then it sounds alright.
If your friend knows him it would help. He wouldn't get the IKC paperwork back really quickly so you're unlucky to get it with the pup, which isn't ideal.

And aw man, GSD puppies are so cute

lrushe · 27-01-2011 5:39pm

While these pups / breeders wouldn't tick all the boxes for me, (but then again I'm v.picky:o) I'll give credit where credits due in the fact that at least the parents were hip scored which would be the very minium I would want to see in a breeding GSD.
If you are feel comfortable that these pups have been raised and socialised well and the breeders are willing to take the pup back should you ever not be able to look after it then have the pup registered and mircrochipped and enjoy the newest memeber of your family.

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