How many jobs we loose today Micheál? How many gone from the country?

eddison

Micheal says- sorry it wasn't only us. We got caught in exuberance. We spent a bit too much.
Please tell that to the families who lost loved ones due to suicide because of their dire financial situation.
Your sorry! when some people will NEVER be able to pay loans they got.
Your sorry about the rise of criminal gangs, stabbings, drugs, shootings, emigration and the biggest debt we ever had.

Are you joking, you have to be?

PeterIanStaker

He's hoping people will forget what happened under Cowen, just like people forgot what happened under Bertie.

and the sad thing is that they will.

eddison

The last 5 FF leaders were forced out of office. The crimes by FF go back along way. Remember Lawlor and the gang? There is something rotten at the core of FF.
But sadly your right, they will probably get 22-24%. People will believe the spin, they believed boo hoo Bertie.

Einhard

I've nothing particularly against Martin, but it really is incredible how he always manages to vacate the premises before the shit really hits the fan, thus escaping any responsibility for scandals and disasatarous policies which originated under his watch. He was Health Minister when the HSE was set up, and he was in Hawkin's House when the overcharging in nursing homes was first uncovered- yet responsibility for both fiascos landed entirely on Mary Harney, while he basks in the glow of the cigarette ban as if his time in office was spent crusading against entrenched vested interests, when it was entirely the opposite.

Similarly, he was minister with responbsibility for Fas at a time when mismanagement and incompetence was really becoming entrenched in that organisation. Roddy Collins and the boys on the board were lining their pockets whilst running Fas into the ground on his watch, yet he had skipped town before the scandal broke, and all the blame was heaped on the hapless Mary Coughlan.

We thought Bertie was the Teflon Taioseach- the man was composed of velcro in comparison to Micheal Martin!!

eddison

Martin heroically bans cigarettes !!!
Is that the sum total of God knows how many years in office.

The pub trade has collapsed since, because of smoking? who knows, who cares, a vibrant, full of life social event that was the local is gone. they even took that away from us.
Your sorry Micheal? you and your friends have destroyed this country from the inside out. Now you are looking for votes i suppose..
Mr smug poe faced self righteous 'i'm a non smoker an proud of it'

Silentcorner

Eamonn O'Cuiv was on Vincent Browne tonight, reminding us about the billions of euro that was "spent" on education, health and social welfare

We now have the highest paid teachers in Europe ( who we can't afford to pay ) and we have education standards dropping over the last ten years ( fact )

We have a health system where ambulance drivers in Ireland receive the same pay as junior doctors in Finland...and we have a terrible health system ( fact )

Our social welfare system is being ridden by every tom dick and harry, it now makes more sense that a young girl should have more babies with different fathers, not marry any of them than to go out get an education or a job.

We have more elected officials per head of population than most developed nations and we pay them more than any other country....and this is what we get!!!!!!

paraletic

Silentcorner wrote: »

We have a health system where ambulance drivers in Ireland receive the same pay as junior doctors in Finland...and we have a terrible health system ( fact )

this is not true, and has been shown to be false on previous threads. our wages aren't even close.
http://www.worldsalaries.org/finland.shtml

The fact that you still call paramedics 'ambulance drivers' is also a mistake.

the payscale for paramedics is in the public domain, maybe you should have a look, before you use our profesion to make an argument!!!

Just because you write: "( fact )" at the end doesn't make it true

The Waltzing Consumer

eddison wrote: »

Martin heroically bans cigarettes !!!
Is that the sum total of God knows how many years in office.

The pub trade has collapsed since, because of smoking? who knows, who cares, a vibrant, full of life social event that was the local is gone. they even took that away from us.
Your sorry Micheal? you and your friends have destroyed this country from the inside out. Now you are looking for votes i suppose..
Mr smug poe faced self righteous 'i'm a non smoker an proud of it'

Jesus, get a grip. The smoking ban was one of the best things FF have done, and I am a smoker.

The Waltzing Consumer

eddison wrote: »

Micheal says- sorry it wasn't only us. We got caught in exuberance. We spent a bit too much.
Please tell that to the families who lost loved ones due to suicide because of their dire financial situation.
Your sorry! when some people will NEVER be able to pay loans they got.
Your sorry about the rise of criminal gangs, stabbings, drugs, shootings, emigration and the biggest debt we ever had.

Are you joking, you have to be?

:rolleyes: Seriously, you are blaming FF for suicides in your first point? Stop being so hysterical.

stephendevlin

eddison wrote: »

The pub trade has collapsed since, because of smoking?

What? Best thing that ever happened.

Drink Driving clampdown and Lower / No Income is contributing to the collapse of the pub trade. Also the Price of drink it driving people out.

Guramoogah

FF spent too much and taxed too little and listened to all the wrong voices

Einhard

Guramoogah wrote: »

FF spent too much and taxed too little and listened to all the wrong voices

Yeah, the electorate.