Message to canvassers in the next month

bildo

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Get rid of this god damn stupid "late licencing" embarrassment.

We want to stay out later than half 2, it's degrading to be told to go home like little children with a curfew. There are no night clubs in this country, only late bars. It is unfair, unproductive and excessive.

Get onto every canvasser that comes to your house or stops you in the street asking for your vote.

Make this an election issue.

S.R.F.C.

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Agree with the view of the rest of your post though, bull**** law.

old gregg

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Staying out all night clubbing in Berlin and getting a cool beer on the way back to the hotel at 7:30am is no fun so I'm in favour of keeping the law as is

bildo

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Who can blame the 1000 young people leaving the country every week?
There's a recession, no jobs and you can't even go out until a decent time.

It's 2011 FFS, sort it the **** out!

Logical Fallacy

To be honest, the embarassment is that more people i know are spending more time talking about this than the unemployment rates, the bail out, the ****ed future, the sinking health service, the increasing numbers of homelessness etc.

But yeah, lets all worry about more beer.

RMD

The most idiotic part of the current licensing system is that it's been proven staggered closing times lead to less crime and hospital admissions rates or something along those lines.

I think it's in Auckland NZ where they have a system that any premise selling alcohol that is a bar / restaurant / club can only open for 8 hours at most in a 24H period. That sounds like a lot but it stops half assed attempts of bars / restuarants becoming nightclubs at night like what Purty Kitchen / The Turks Head does. Instead of being a multirole business people can only focus on one area of business, Ie you're either a restaurant / bar / nightclub.

Also the mixed flow of people out onto the streets from say 12-5/6 instead of a sudden flood of pissed up people looking for food and taxis from 2.30-3.30 leads to less crime / hospital admission rates. Personally I wouldn't be throwing drinks into me if I knew I was in a club till 5 in the morning.

bildo

Well this is a dance music forum, anything else political doesn't belong here...

Also late licences = more people going out, more money being spent at the weekend, more bands, djs, promoters working for better money.
More entertainment, MORE JOBS, more tax collected on those wages and Ireland, a country famous the world over for its booze might start to actually ATTRACT tourists to come here for the renowned craic agus ceol.
Who the hell would come here to party at the moment eh?

Sensible licencing = win all round. This country is shooing its cultural feet the way it is atm.

xdeletiax

dont see how this would work in ireland tbh. we're awful drunks as it is, i dont think it would magically make people more responsible. theres no point comparing us to berlin- they have clubs that are worth not getting completely destroyed in, while the majority of ours are absolute filth magnets that play total rubbish. other countries have a clubbing culture, we just get hammered. plus who has the money to be out all night these days? and clubs are finding it hard enough to pay all their staff- how is it going to be worth their while opening later unless we drink at the same rate for longer? sorry for the uncool perspective though.

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xdeletiax wrote: »

dont see how this would work in ireland tbh. we're awful drunks as it is, i dont think it would magically make people more responsible. theres no point comparing us to berlin- they have clubs that are worth not getting completely destroyed in, while the majority of ours are absolute filth magnets that play total rubbish. other countries have a clubbing culture, we just get hammered. plus who has the money to be out all night these days? and clubs are finding it hard enough to pay all their staff- how is it going to be worth their while opening later unless we drink at the same rate for longer? sorry for the uncool perspective though.

Clubs would be open for roughly the same amount of time. Instead of hitting the town at 10pm you could stroll in at 12 or half past. As it is, places like The Button Factory dont open their doors until 11pm on weekends.

You're right in that longer hours wouldnt be an elixer for alcohol consumption but it would definitely do more good than harm - no jam-packed chip shops, less crowded streets would mean less rows breaking out etc....

Bottom line - maintaining the current system is non-sensical. It achieves nothing.

RMD

Johnathan Lazy Boss wrote: »

Clubs would be open for roughly the same amount of time. Instead of hitting the town at 10pm you could stroll in at 12 or half past. As it is, places like The Button Factory dont open their doors until 11pm on weekends.

You're right in that longer hours wouldnt be an elixer for alcohol consumption but it would definitely do more good than harm - no jam-packed chip shops, less crowded streets would mean less rows breaking out etc....

Bottom line - maintaining the current system is non-sensical. It achieves nothing.

If I knew I was in a club till 5 I think it would actually have me spacing out my drinks instead of going around for most of the night with a pint. I usually head town with 30 quid in my wallet after predrinks and in the end 20 of it will end up going on drink. If I knew I was in a club till 5 instead of 2.30 I'd be drinking the same amount but over a much longer time frame which does make a big difference in the end.

Then again cheap as piss places doing stuff like 2/3 euro pints is a deathwish, most people would leave the club on a stretcher by 5.

Is mise le key

I agree with you, archaic nonsense to still restrict closing times.
To use the reason that people would drink more is weak.
The fact is & has always been in this country that the people who really want to drink until 6-7am sort out a place to go after with a stash of gargle purchased & waiting in advance.
The few who would stay on the extra hour or two in a pub if it were open all night would diminish slowly to 4am & quickly there after leaving the people who would be up drinking to 6-7am anyways.

Maybe you should ask the canvassers that come to your house to run it by the IMF first:mad:

jtsuited

I know this is probably the most uncool opinion around, but I really don't think you can use any European example regarding Irish closing times.

We have a SERIOUS national alcohol problem, and I'm yet to be convinced that we'd be in any way moderate or well behaved if hours were extended.

If you want to see why, look at the A&E admission statistics for when Irish people drink on days like St. Patricks Day or the day of a big match. When Irish people start boozing during the daytime, they certainly don't ease up on their intake of alcohol.

It should certainly be tried anyway, but to say that we could have any sort of liberalisation of drinking laws based on what goes on in continental Europe is to seriously ignore the fact that we as a nation are proper problem drinkers and alcoholics.

Is mise le key

jtsuited wrote: »

We have a SERIOUS national alcohol problem, and I'm yet to be convinced that we'd be in any way moderate or well behaved if hours were extended.

That is why i pointed out that those who intend to drink until dawn will regardless of what time the pubs close.

jtsuited wrote: »

If you want to see why, look at the A&E admission statistics for when Irish people drink on days like St. Patricks Day or the day of a big match. When Irish people start boozing during the daytime, they certainly don't ease up on their intake of alcohol.

Special occasions again fall into what i said, this will go on regardless of what time you close the pubs at but on an average weekend in february are you going to get the entire nation out all day & night killing each other? They are old arguments that a very thin in weight if you ask me & i contend that what i have said would be more accurate of an average weekend as i have seen it many a time during lock ins, a slow dwindle in numbers towards 4am, nmore so after 4 towards 6 & the hardcore drinkers that would be drinking somewhere anyway if the pub was not facilitating them left.

jtsuited wrote: »

It should certainly be tried anyway, but to say that we could have any sort of liberalisation of drinking laws based on what goes on in continental Europe is to seriously ignore the fact that we as a nation are proper problem drinkers and alcoholics.

I'll raise a glass to that:D

BaZmO*

jtsuited wrote: »

I know this is probably the most uncool opinion around, but I really don't think you can use any European example regarding Irish closing times.

We have a SERIOUS national alcohol problem, and I'm yet to be convinced that we'd be in any way moderate or well behaved if hours were extended.

If you want to see why, look at the A&E admission statistics for when Irish people drink on days like St. Patricks Day or the day of a big match. When Irish people start boozing during the daytime, they certainly don't ease up on their intake of alcohol.

It should certainly be tried anyway, but to say that we could have any sort of liberalisation of drinking laws based on what goes on in continental Europe is to seriously ignore the fact that we as a nation are proper problem drinkers and alcoholics.

I dunno, if you put a cap on anything there tends to be a race to the limit. All this nonsense of last orders where people go and get way more than they need and then guzzle it down at breakneck speed and spill out on the street as one great collective mess is an example it.

Something similar happened during the property bubble with the Stamp Duty cut off points. Every time they set a limit it was a race to the cut off point, which didn't really give a fair reflection of what the actual market price was.

Same with closing times, it's just a race to the limit. It shouldn't be like that.

I don't know if extended drinking hours will actually work but it's certainly worth giving it a go, but in a proper structured form....whatever that may be.