08 guarantee...if it can be proven...FF...treason

ilovesleep

I thought I would throw this out here. It will probably lead to nothing but nonetheless.

Something I have been reading about here and on p.ie is that if it can be proven that FF knew the badness of the banks before guaranteeing them they would be guilty of treason.

I have just remembered something from summer 2008. When my brother was working in a hotel he got paid cash or cheque, all above board. Summer 08 something new came in regarding the payment of wages in that they had to be paid into a bank account. It wasnt by choice on the employers behave. They had pay into a bank account. My brother never owned a bank account until then.

I was speaking to a local lady who I know well and who works in the local shop. She can confirm the same thing. She needed a bank account for her wages.

Would this ring alarm bells for anyone here?

darragh16

I agree, that if Cowen knew about it, then it is Treason.

On the cheques? Well it usually makes the payment easier and cheaper and it is easier to be tracked.

Mr.Micro

I do believe that FF knew about it. As Minister of Finance Biffo should have know about it. I think the subsequent actions in 2008 suggested that FF did know and bailed all the banks to cover up what was going/ had gone on at Anglo. We may never find out but IMO the enormous hole that appeared in Anglo did not come overnight and there is a trail. I suspect too that FF are still hiding stuff which may come to light after the GE or may not as Governments change but the culture of cover up does not no matter who is in power.

ilovesleep

Fitzerb wrote: »

Is your brothers name Berti ?

No. He was 17 at the time and never needed a bank account.

dtf

ilovesleep wrote: »

I thought I would throw this out here. It will probably lead to nothing but nonetheless.

Something I have been reading about here and on p.ie is that if it can be proven that FF knew the badness of the banks before guaranteeing them they would be guilty of treason.

I have just remembered something from summer 2008. When my brother was working in a hotel he got paid cash or cheque, all above board. Summer 08 something new came in regarding the payment of wages in that they had to be paid into a bank account. It wasnt by choice on the employers behave. They had pay into a bank account. My brother never owned a bank account until then.

I was speaking to a local lady who I know well and who works in the local shop. She can confirm the same thing. She needed a bank account for her wages.

Would this ring alarm bells for anyone here?

I don't understand the connection btw your brothers employer paying wages into a bank account and the charge of economic treason against Cowen. How are the two connected?

shofukan

dtf wrote: »

I don't understand the connection btw your brothers employer paying wages into a bank account and the charge of economic treason against Cowen. How are the two connected?

Pre 2008 - wages can be paid in any way...
Post 2008 - wages have to be paid into a bank account
At least methinks..
I only opened a bank account for the same reason as your brother OP

Fitzerb

ilovesleep wrote: »

I thought I would throw this out here. It will probably lead to nothing but nonetheless.

Something I have been reading about here and on p.ie is that if it can be proven that FF knew the badness of the banks before guaranteeing them they would be guilty of treason.

I have just remembered something from summer 2008. When my brother was working in a hotel he got paid cash or cheque, all above board. Summer 08 something new came in regarding the payment of wages in that they had to be paid into a bank account. It wasnt by choice on the employers behave. They had pay into a bank account. My brother never owned a bank account until then.

I was speaking to a local lady who I know well and who works in the local shop. She can confirm the same thing. She needed a bank account for her wages.

Would this ring alarm bells for anyone here?

I really think I would need something "a little" than that to accuse someone of Treason.... Could it be not be part of the policy to reduce the amount of cash handled in the Country..... You might remember the tiger kidnaps and the view expressed by one Minister that we need to move more towards ATM machines.

I think if anyone reads the two independent banking reports they will see the Government did not know the extent of the problem prior to crisis.
The reports are critical of the Government policy and the regulator
Both reports are 99% the same conclusions. So I will go with that

Fitzerb

seanor3 wrote: »

Pre 2008 - wages can be paid in any way...
Post 2008 - wages have to be paid into a bank account
At least methinks..
I only opened a bank account for the same reason as your brother OP

Not true

Legally you are entitled to be paid in cash.

Some law going back to 1800 and splash.

I dont think that law has changed. might be worng

ilovesleep

dtf wrote: »

I don't understand the connection btw your brothers employer paying wages into a bank account and the charge of economic treason against Cowen. How are the two connected?

The country managed well for a long time with employees of such jobs - hotels, shops, cafes, restaurants, etc - getting paid either by cash or cheque. Suddenly bank accounts were required for their wages. That would tell me that the government needed as much money as possible in the banks which would indicate that they knew the banks were dangerous.

Fitzerb

dtf wrote: »

I don't understand the connection btw your brothers employer paying wages into a bank account and the charge of economic treason against Cowen. How are the two connected?

I wonder is there a group of posters here that lie awake at night trying to see what else can they blame Cowan on. ?

Yet to see their conspiracy theory on

The volcanic ash cloud

The collapse of Liverpool Football Club

The miners in Chile trapped underground.

Its really amazing what you can read here

Fitzerb

ilovesleep wrote: »

The country managed well for a long time with employees of such jobs - hotels, shops, cafes, restaurants, etc - getting paid either by cash or cheque. Suddenly bank accounts were required for their wages. That would tell me that the government needed as much money as possible in the banks which would indicate that they knew the banks were dangerous.

There is a policy to reduce the amount of cash we handle.

This is a well know fact.

We are the highest cash in transit country in Europe.

That is the reason your brothers employer changed and not because the banks were in trouble.
I doubt one wage from a hotel would have resolved the issue of 50 billon euro

amcalester

Do you have any evidence of a requirement for wages to be paid into a bank account?

I'd be surprised if there was any legal requirement.

Also, does anyone know if and how an act of treason is defined in Irish law? People say that Fianna Fail are guilty of economic treason but they've never said what economic treason is.

ilovesleep

amcalester wrote: »

Do you have any evidence of a requirement for wages to be paid into a bank account?

I'd be surprised if there was any legal requirement.

Also, does anyone know if and how an act of treason is defined in Irish law? People say that Fianna Fail are guilty of economic treason but they've never said what economic treason is.

I'll see what I can do and get in touch with a few local employers to see what they can tell me.

As far as i know there is a law on treason. Dont know about economic treason. Treason is a crime of betraying your country. They are guilty of treason against the Irish citizens. They have severely neglected us - the Irish citizens.

Scofflaw

ilovesleep wrote: »

I'll see what I can do and get in touch with a few local employers to see what they can tell me.

As far as i know there is a law on treason. Dont know about economic treason. Treason is a crime of betraying your country. They are guilty of treason against the Irish citizens. They have severely neglected us - the Irish citizens.

The current definition of treason in the Constitution is solely that of conspiring or attempting to overthrow the lawful government by force. Obviously, that cannot be applied to the lawful government.

The Greens have endeavoured to have the crime of 'economic treason' added to the Constitution (here), but I doubt anything will come of it, certainly in its current form, because it's far too broad.

cordially,
Scofflaw

Scofflaw

I have to add that, as it currently stands, this thread is heading somewhere rather silly.

moderately,
Scofflaw

Tayla

I started working in a new business from november 2008 and I had the choice of cash or bank account.

For what it's worth though I think they did know and when the s**t hits the fan I hope the lot of them are thrown in jail.