Scottish FPS good or bad?

Christian.Kelly

Hey,
I just wanted to see what others thought of this.
In Scotland they have a 1 joule limit on their aegs,pistols and shotguns but their snipers can go up to 500fps(again, this is in SCOTLAND, not here in ireland)
The rule is that the higher fps is allowed on the spring snipers as they'll be used at greater ranges, I dont think they're even allowed be used up close.
I was wondering, do people think thats a good idea or if it's not?
I'm not saying anythin bad about the 1 joule limit here, need to cover myself there:D, I understand why we have it.
Just interested in what people think about it.:)

defenderdude

Christian.Kelly wrote: »

Hey,
I just wanted to see what others thought of this.
In Scotland they have a 1 joule limit on their aegs,pistols and shotguns but their snipers can go up to 500fps(again, this is in SCOTLAND, not here in ireland)
The rule is that the higher fps is allowed on the spring snipers as they'll be used at greater ranges, I dont think they're even allowed be used up close.
I was wondering, do people think thats a good idea or if it's not?
I'm not saying anythin bad about the 1 joule limit here, need to cover myself there:D, I understand why we have it.
Just interested in what people think about it.:)

To be honest - it doesnt really matter a damned what we think. It's the law and that's it.
I agree it might be nice for sniper's to have the extra fps, but personally I think 500 is unecessary and dangerous in the hands of many numpties that play here.

Eitherway, that may all be changing - afaik, Scotland is likely going down the 1 Joule route also.
There's a big thread on Arnies about it if you care to read it.

sliabh

Christian.Kelly wrote: »

The rule is that the higher fps is allowed on the spring snipers as they'll be used at greater ranges, I dont think they're even allowed be used up close.
I was wondering, do people think thats a good idea or if it's not?

Didn't we just have this conversation a week or two ago, and about a month or so before that, and before that, and before that...

A prize for the man (or woman) that adds anything new or original to the debate.

SNAKEDOC

we could get a petition going and hand it over to the minister for justice pleading with him to up the limit for our beloved sniper fanatics. then line them all up and shoot them with their own upgraded rifles. what do you think. well i think the government have a few other things to think about like winning a general election and not getting sh1t canned so for the time bean the limit will be and probably for ever will be 1 joule. something new make this a sticky for future posters who thunk they are adding something new and interesting to talk about:D

Arkslippy

SNAKEDOC wrote: »

we could get a petition going and hand it over to the minister for justice pleading with him to up the limit for our beloved sniper fanatics. then line them all up and shoot them with their own upgraded rifles. what do you think. well i think the government have a few other things to think about like winning a general election and not getting sh1t canned so for the time bean the limit will be and probably for ever will be 1 joule. something new make this a sticky for future posters who thunk they are adding something new and interesting to talk about:D

you win the prize.

Inari

@Christian.Kelly: These discussions come up every now and then, and the main points that come up are:
- 500 FPS bolt-action rifles would be cool
- Irish sites are not properly equipped to deal with the ranges required for 500 fps snipers
- Majority of the community do not trust people with <1 joule rifles let alone 500 fps ones
- Government do not care about us because we are a minority, and do not represent enough of the voting public
- Puts the sport at risk in some shape/form (i.e. places the spot light on us, and questions the validity of past meetings about safe limits etc)

Would it be nice? Sure...adds a new dimension to the game. Is it necessary? Absolutely not. Poland has a nice system, which limits Pistols/Sidearms to 350fps, AEGs to 400, and Bolt-Actions to 500. All of those figures are approximations by the way; sites are able to choose their limits. But once again there are engagement distances; not allowed shoot with rifle in CQB (must use side arm), and the obvious engagement distances with snipers.

Realistically speaking, I think our limits our fine. I don't see a need to force change at this stage. I'd sooner see a change in quality of facilities than law

fayer

I really cant see this going anywhere, Scotland, england and the north look to be all going 1J by the end of this year. If they come down, no chance of us going up.

Also the science on the issue dose not support the case for increased power, British House of Commons, Home Affairs Second Report, (6 April 2000) being the foremost document on the matter; states 1.35J (357FPS) is the required power to cause a penetrating wound to the body by a spherical projectile. This is a large hurdle to over come for unlicensed "guns" (and no we cant licence airsoft devices for a zillion reasons).

I would like to see snipers have an advantage like better range etc, but I dont trust the players to use them right, and I dont see the government allowing it. One of the major points that kept us alive in the battle to "not be banned" was the fact that our kit could not cause injury according to the science.

Also, we not on the radar for the uninformed elected, lets not draw attention to ourselves

$kilkenny

here someone ring cowen in the morning and ask him out to a day of airsoft with the whole dail chamber so they can try it all....
i dont no whats funnier,the players reactions of those idiots arriving for a game or biffo running round a field/wood for a few hours...
then we might get somewhere...
but for now we wont go anywhere so we are left with just the simple idea of keeping our heads down
if somone did send in a patition then yea they would know that its 1 joule and the UK and 1.35j
then they could turn around and say its down to .5j like in germany because its to high or something... where does that leave the sport?
same as biffo
no where...

Christian.Kelly

reading over this i think i've giving an image that I'm trying to support a change to the limit:o. I'm not complaining bout the one joule limit. I think its whats best and do understand why its here. I was just wondering what people thought about the idea of snipers having higher fps in terms of playing.
Ex: You're playing at a site and there's a group of snipers further than you're aeg can reach but they're springers are still in range. I know theres games like sniper hunt where thats the idea but I could imagine doing something like going through a clearing to get to a objective or whatever and just being hit from far off.
I guess what I should of said was " FPS good or bad for actually playing:o"

sliabh

Christian.Kelly wrote: »

I was just wondering what people thought about the idea of snipers having higher fps in terms of playing.
I guess what I should of said was " FPS good or bad for actually playing:o"

I think that was pretty well covered in last weeks discussion of whether it was worth your while upgrading when going to the UK to play.

Short answer - no.

JonnyTwoCombs

defenderdude wrote: »

To be honest - it doesnt really matter a damned what we think. It's the law and that's it.
I agree it might be nice for sniper's to have the extra fps, but personally I think 500 is unecessary and dangerous in the hands of many numpties that play here.

Eitherway, that may all be changing - afaik, Scotland is likely going down the 1 Joule route also.
There's a big thread on Arnies about it if you care to read it.

sliabh wrote: »

I think that was pretty well covered in last weeks discussion of whether it was worth your while upgrading when going to the UK to play.

Short answer - no.

'nuf said!