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The King's Speech

  • 24-11-2010 4:15am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭


    This looks fascinating and I'll definitely watch for Hooper just having done The Damned United as well as Rush and Firth who both look on form. Pity I'll have to suffer Helena Bonham Carter though :P


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,019 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    I like the basic plot, but I fear this will be a typically glossy Oscar-bait film. I hope not, as the cast and story show promise!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89,020 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I like the basic plot, but I fear this will be a typically glossy Oscar-bait film. I hope not, as the cast and story show promise!

    Firth and Rush seem safe bets for Oscar glory next year with this


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,076 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    I saw this earlier today: dunno if it's deliberately Oscar™ bait, but we do know that American critics go ga-ga over anything involving the British Royal Family, while Irish people ... don't. But there was still a good turnout at the IFI: the biggest screen was 1/2 full on a Wednesday afternoon.

    It's not really a story about Royalty, anyway; the same story could have been told about e.g. US politicians, except that it's based on true events. I used to stutter really badly as a teenager, so I had a lot of sympathy for "Bertie"; no amount of wealth or privilege can compensate for that.

    The very strong performances from Firth and Rush have been pointed out, but I was also really impressed by Helena Bonham Carter as Elizabeth. I picked up a hint of sadness there - or maybe I'm projecting? - because he would die in 1952, while the "Queen Mother" would live to the age of 101, spending practically the second half of her life without her beloved Bertie.

    In general: a very interesting story, and hilariously funny in places.
    You don't expect to see a King, in a formal Royal Navy uniform, dancing around a room in Buckingham Palace singing swearwords...

    You are the type of what the age is searching for, and what it is afraid it has found. I am so glad that you have never done anything, never carved a statue, or painted a picture, or produced anything outside of yourself! Life has been your art. You have set yourself to music. Your days are your sonnets.

    ―Oscar Wilde predicting Social Media, in The Picture of Dorian Gray



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,019 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    I like the basic plot, but I fear this will be a typically glossy Oscar-bait film. I hope not, as the cast and story show promise!

    Pfft, totally wrong :pac:

    Saw this today, and despite my assumptions that this would be your usual fluffy period fare, I was delightfully proven wrong. This film really pulses with a great energy. The acting, first, is simple wonderful. The three leads - Rush, Firth and Bonham-Carter - are shockingly good in this, each one of them dominating the screen. The screenplay probably deserves a lot of credit for this, but the three of these extremely talented individuals dominate the screen for the entire running time. Each gets a chance to shine in individual scenes. The new Queen introducing herself to Rush's wife, Lionel's acting audition and Albert's scenes dealing with his father's and brother's reactions to his stammer emerge as particular highlights in a film full of wonderful acting. It's the powerful dynamic between Rush and Firth that keeps the film feeling so electric, and they have brought these characters fully to life.

    What surprised me most about this film is that I liked it despite it being a period piece focused on royalty. 'Prestige' films such as this are often comfortable being safe and conservative, with the occasional welcome exception (stuff like Atonement or The Piano). And I often find it hard to care about royalty in film: it is rarely easy to relate to these people born into a privileged life. But this feels like a thoroughly modern film, the cinematography - often with impressively frank close-ups that truly capture the emotions of the actors - inventive, energetic and ambitious. Tom Hooper and screenwriter David Seidler have made potentially sombre material engaging, with a sometimes playful, sometimes serious film that moves along at an extremely agreeable pace. It never plays like the grandiose epic a lesser director would have attempted, staying grounded with the characters often in the face of great drama - only during the final few scenes does it feel like the outside world is intruding and important. It's often very funny, including one of the better usages of obscenities in recent cinema.

    And the problem of royalty? Well, it deals with that by having the regal characters not seem very regal at all, humanising them effectively. Firth is both a nervous and very angry individual, but a decent person more than a little uncomfortable in a fate he can't change. Bonham-Carter plays a wife quickly thrust into a position of even greater privilege, and she does an expert job of playing a great wife, a great mother and a royal more than able to deal with situations outside her comfort zone, her initially awkward but ultimately confident dealings with the 'common person' some of the best scenes in the film. Guy Pearse as Albert's brother also impresses in his few scenes, his steadfast refusal to accept the conditions of royalty a welcome counterpoint to his brother's sometimes quiet, sometimes angry resignation of his place in the world. And grounding it all is Rush, as a speech therapist talented at what he does despite his frequent rejection at the one thing he loves most, acting. In the few moments when his confidence is shattered, it's tough to watch because Lionel is such a likable, warm character. But he always sucks it up and carries on, leading to some wonderful scenes as he thrives even in the face of rejection.

    A story about a stammering king was a hard one to get right, but I have very little negative to say about this film. It kept me glued to the screen for the duration, pretty much all aspects of the film full of energy and innovation. It's a simple story set during a complicated time, but Hooper never forgets that the focus is on a handful of people dealing with personal problems in the face of far bigger concerns. It's a powerful study of how people deal with great responsibility, and also a film that isn't afraid to have a bit of fun either. Tonally confident, powerfully acted and inventively directed: The King's Speech is a pretty fantastic film :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,464 ✭✭✭e_e


    I liked it, nowhere near as humorless or self important as you'd expect this kind of film to be. Nice entertainment.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 682 ✭✭✭Phony Scott


    I very much enjoyed it. Very good fun all around. The acting is very good, but Firth is outstanding. As for the story, I couldn't help feeling I'd seen it all before. A bit of 'Educating Rita' here, maybe a bit of 'My Fair Lady' there, or even a bit of 'Mrs Brown' thown in for good measure. It does get a tiny bit repetitive after a while, but I'm pretty sure that if you liked any of the above mentioned films, you'll like this. 7/10


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,348 ✭✭✭✭ricero


    very suprised how good this film really was i thought i would be bored to death but it was brilliant all around. flirth is sensational and will certainly scoop the oscar for this. so was rush he was brilliant as the therapist and the relationship between him and flirth was brilliant, if not for bale he would certainly win best supporting actor. overall id give it an 8 and half out of 10


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,076 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    One small point that struck me while I was watching it: the music playing in the background during the titular "King's Speech" at the end. It's the 2nd movement from Beethoven's 7th Symphony, a very German piece of music. There's a certain irony in the role of the British Royal Family in the war against Germany, considering the family's history. Or maybe I'm over-analysing, and it's just been used because it's a good piece for ratcheting up the tension. ;)

    You are the type of what the age is searching for, and what it is afraid it has found. I am so glad that you have never done anything, never carved a statue, or painted a picture, or produced anything outside of yourself! Life has been your art. You have set yourself to music. Your days are your sonnets.

    ―Oscar Wilde predicting Social Media, in The Picture of Dorian Gray



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,019 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    bnt wrote: »
    One small point that struck me while I was watching it: the music playing in the background during the titular "King's Speech" at the end. It's the 2nd movement from Beethoven's 7th Symphony, a very German piece of music. There's a certain irony in the role of the British Royal Family in the war against Germany, considering the family's history. Or maybe I'm over-analysing, and it's just been used because it's a good piece for ratcheting up the tension. ;)

    Oddly, that piece of music was one thing I didn't like. Not the music itself, which is fantastic, and the director used it pretty well. But it's a very overused composition in film at the moment: I've seen it a used a good few times since it dominated the soundtrack for The Fall. It definitely tends to work, but I'd like to see film-makers using another piece, because everytime I hear it I inevitably just think of everything else it has been used in!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 682 ✭✭✭Phony Scott


    But it's a very overused composition in film at the moment: I've seen it a used a good few times since it dominated the soundtrack for The Fall.
    Yeah, I second that. The most recent film I've seen with the composition was 'Irreversible'. The composition works much better here, but I still couldn't get the ending of Irreversible out of my head...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    Just back from seeing this, I rarely gone to the cinema to see serious dramas, preferring to see them at home, but this was fantastic.
    All the talk about Firth, who is excellent but Geoffrey Rush for me was outstanding.
    Just a well made, well acted film.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 821 ✭✭✭temply


    Nice & well told story. Firth stunning. Well put together and lavishly produced, a shooo in for the baftas. Firth does deserve an oscar though, to be fair.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    I haven't seen the film.
    I wonder how historically accurate this movie is?

    The incumbent King assumed the role because of the constitutional crisis in Britain following the abdication of Edward.
    Therefore King George, who had not been groomed to be King, had no choice but to assume the role of monarch after his brother abdicated.

    Is this aspect of the story referred to in the movie?

    Incidentally King George's other brother, Prince John, suffered from terrible leaning disabilities.
    The Royal Family kept Prince John locked away.

    Highly dysfunctional setup.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 821 ✭✭✭temply


    its all covered in the movie. stop thinking so much and go see it. you must wreck your own head, a lot. movies equal escapism, fun and adventure.why indulge otherwise? life is too short


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    temply wrote: »
    its all covered in the movie. stop thinking so much and go see it. you must wreck your own head, a lot. movies equal escapism, fun and adventure.why indulge otherwise? life is too short

    If the above comment is directed to me, I prefer to view historical accurate portrayals of events.

    Unfortunately many movies that are advertised as recounting actual events can often be anything but accurate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭Mezcita


    hinault wrote: »

    Incidentally King George's other brother, Prince John, suffered from terrible leaning disabilities.

    What? Like the tower of Pisa?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 821 ✭✭✭temply


    Mezcita wrote: »
    What? Like the tower of Pisa?



    :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    hinault wrote: »
    I haven't seen the film.
    I wonder how historically accurate this movie is?

    The incumbent King assumed the role because of the constitutional crisis in Britain following the abdication of Edward.
    Therefore King George, who had not been groomed to be King, had no choice but to assume the role of monarch after his brother abdicated.

    Is this aspect of the story referred to in the movie?


    Incidentally King George's other brother, Prince John, suffered from terrible leaning disabilities.
    The Royal Family kept Prince John locked away.

    Highly dysfunctional setup.

    Yeah thats all in it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,176 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    I am caught in two minds as to whether or not to go and see this tomorrow. My main area of interest in films would b comedys , action suspense (war type or western movies). Is this film worth all the hype?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,892 ✭✭✭spank_inferno


    This movie really brought out the Oldies

    So many old folk in the screening I was in who felt the need to narrate much of the movie


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 184 ✭✭windsurfer99ie


    hinault wrote: »
    I haven't seen the film.
    I wonder how historically accurate this movie is?

    The incumbent King assumed the role because of the constitutional crisis in Britain following the abdication of Edward.
    Therefore King George, who had not been groomed to be King, had no choice but to assume the role of monarch after his brother abdicated.

    Is this aspect of the story referred to in the movie?

    Incidentally King George's other brother, Prince John, suffered from terrible leaning disabilities.
    The Royal Family kept Prince John locked away.

    Highly dysfunctional setup.


    He died in 1919, and the circumstances of his life, were entirely consistent with the times. You disingenuously apply 21st century thinking to a difficult situation that occured almost a century ago, and your unkind conclusion says far more about you and the chip on your shoulder than anything else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 504 ✭✭✭Loveless


    hinault wrote: »
    Incidentally King George's other brother, Prince John, suffered from terrible leaning disabilities. The Royal Family kept Prince John locked away. Highly dysfunctional setup.

    oh believe me this is all covered in the film. What wasn't mentioned though was the fourth brother Prince George, Duke of Kent being killed during WWII.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,837 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Loveless wrote: »
    oh believe me this is all covered in the film. What wasn't mentioned though was the fourth brother Prince George, Duke of Kent being killed during WWII.

    Well, it wouldn't be, would it? The movie ends before it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,123 ✭✭✭the whole year inn


    billyhead wrote: »
    I am caught in two minds as to whether or not to go and see this tomorrow. My main area of interest in films would b comedys , action suspense (war type or western movies). Is this film worth all the hype?

    Im pretty much in the same boat as you and I really enjoyed it,its a very easy watch.

    Liked Firth in this but Rush was better IMO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,076 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    Christopher Hitchens has written an article for Slate, taking issue with one particular character in the film: Churchill. According to his sources, Churchill was strongly supportive of Edward VIII against his abdication, and against the idea of Bertie becoming King George VI, despite the former's explicit Nazi sympathies. (This was long before Churchill became Prime Minister in 1940.) He also has harsh words for Bertie's support for appeasement of the Nazis, directly or through supporting Nevile Chamberlain's concessions to Hitler.

    The film does gloss over those years (1936-39) somewhat, and I don't remember seeing more than one scene featuring Chamberlain. I don't have enough historical knowledge of those years to argue against Hitchens, really: I don't think Churchill was well-played anyway (by Timothy Spall), and adding some of those complexities to his character might have fleshed out those years a bit.

    You are the type of what the age is searching for, and what it is afraid it has found. I am so glad that you have never done anything, never carved a statue, or painted a picture, or produced anything outside of yourself! Life has been your art. You have set yourself to music. Your days are your sonnets.

    ―Oscar Wilde predicting Social Media, in The Picture of Dorian Gray



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,201 ✭✭✭✭Basq


    Thought this was fantastic!

    I'm not a fan of "period pieces" or anything deal with "The Royal's" but this was a film not just about that - but about a personal struggle and attempting to overcome it.

    As a stammerer myself, I found myself personally identifying with "Bertie's" frustration. And having went through numerous speech therapy courses and classes, I found some of the "technique's" very true to life - while others were a little silly. But it's all about building up confidence, so I can't say they weren't accurate.

    3 powerhouse performances from Firth, Rush and Bonham-Carter. And a real tight script with some wonderful direction from Tom Hooper - I'm hoping it'll clean up Oscar time as it deserves not to dismissed as "Oscar bait" and it is a relatively accurate portrayal of the frustrations that can come with the "burden" of having a stammer.

    While I like Colin Firth, I really thought his performance here was absolutely incredible. Everything from his stammer to his wild moments of anger to the close friendship he formed with Logue.

    Truly wonderful!


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,693 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Excellent film, but it's depiction of Churchill bothered me as well. I like Spall but he was miscast here and didn't have much to work with it. All the other actors were brilliant though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,510 ✭✭✭sprinkles


    I must say I was very pleasantly surprised by this. This is not the type of film I would normally pay to see, and there were a few other films I was more interested in but the choice was not mine so off I went to watch a feature length film about the Royal family. Except it wasn't really about the Royals. The film was so focused on Bertie and his relationship with Logue that I actually found myself forgetting that it was a film about the Royal Family. Hooper successfully burrowed through the pomp and frills and horse-drawn carriages and presented the king as a real person with real problems, problems which the audience, most of whom I assume are not born into the kind of wealth that they are, can relate to. The script was excellent, perfectly paced, mixing humour and anguish in equal parts all the while making you really care for the 3 main characters without you actually realising it. I was shocked at how much I liked it. In the same way the BBC version of Pride and Prejudice (not my choice that time either) opened me up to "period literature" I think this film will make me rethink my prejudices against period films. Damn you Firth, you've done it again!

    The acting was a joy to watch, there are no weak performances from anyone (incl Timothy Spall as Churchill – not an easy Character to pull off without seeming like your just doing an impression) and the 3 main characters are brilliantly portrayed. Firth is now firmly one of my favourite actors. It’s always the case that “Oscar bait” will be flung at any dramatic characters with disabilities (Rain Man, My Left Foot, I am Sam, Forest Gump) but the truth is they are roles that require a certain deftness of touch in order to bring the character to light without making them into a caricature. Colin Firth manages to this sublimely and portrays the double edged sword of being born into the Royal family – the weight of expectation and responsibility. I thought Rush’s performance was excellent too but Firth was the highlight for me.

    If you are on the fence about going to see this film, I would definitely encourage you to go. Fully deserving of all the praise it receives. I hope 2011 continues like this....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 821 ✭✭✭temply


    Excellent film, but it's depiction of Churchill bothered me as well. I like Spall but he was miscast here and didn't have much to work with it. All the other actors were brilliant though.


    Could not take the Churchill character seriously at all


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭Psychedelic


    I thought this was a well made film with a great lead performance, but quite an ordinary film. I would not want to watch it ever again. You already know the story before watching the film: guy who stammers becomes King. That's it. "Well this is a character driven story" would be the reply to that - okay so Bertie has a stammer and has to overcome his speech problem and his fears to live up to his expectations as King, but that's it really. I liked the relationship between him and his speech therapist.

    Again, this is a solid film all round but I can't see how anyone could be blown away by it, it's certainly not a 10/10 or 9/10 film. I would give it 6 or 7 out of 10.
    bnt wrote: »
    One small point that struck me while I was watching it: the music playing in the background during the titular "King's Speech" at the end. It's the 2nd movement from Beethoven's 7th Symphony, a very German piece of music. There's a certain irony in the role of the British Royal Family in the war against Germany, considering the family's history. Or maybe I'm over-analysing, and it's just been used because it's a good piece for ratcheting up the tension. ;)
    I thought the exact same thing when I heard that music. The song at the very end is also by Beethoven, who was German himself. Obviously the producers would have known this but I don't know what their meaning was. Maybe like you say the music is just effective but I think there must be more to it than that.



  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,530 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    Thought it was a very good movie, everyone is great in it. The portrayal of the central friendship is both funny and touching, Not one i'll probably watch again but definitley glad i saw it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 329 ✭✭ValJester


    Genuinely a very entertaining film, although it wouldn't work at all without Firth or Rush.


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