Dublin Mountain GC 13th Hole.?????

Ben1010

Played here yesterday with a few members. First time out at this place.

Things were going all okay...course quite short..few temporary greens which i understand....4over after 12. I come up to the 13th where its a dog leg. As i was teeing off to cut the corner and over the boundary fence and tree ( Which is about 250 yards i think to clear), other members stop me and told me that i would be breaking the club rule. It stated on the information fence at the tee box that ANY SHOT cutting the dogleg boundary would be penalised by 2 shots.

What is that all about???:(:(:(:( Any members out there....

I told them i was in my right to where i want to aim and hit and which i did and cleared the boundary and landed next to the green. They told me to tee off again which i refused coz there nothing in the rule book stating this. This isn't a good hole for any of the short hitters. Funny enough i put to them that if i aim straight but hit a fade/slice cutting the boundary and clearing it onto the fairway , i would still be penalised.:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

stockdam

It's been a long time since I've played it but there should be a note on the card and/or a sign on the tee.

Some courses have the same rule and it's to stop you cutting the dogleg........the reason is that the landowner doesn't want you firing balls over their land and they are entitled to do this. Maybe they are fed up picking golf balls out of the field or whatever.

So they were right to penalise you two shots and you should have abided by the local rule which was clearly stated on the sign.

Mr. Larson

What if your alignment is all messed up and/or you curve the ball a lot? Who decides whether or not you're cutting the corner? What if you have to aim a bit over it to go the suggested route because of that? Also, nobody hits the ball where they intend to. What if you mis-hit it and cut the corner accidentally? I thought this was a wind-up initially. Why don't they put up a fence?

Russman

I'm not really familiar with the hole (I assume its a dogleg of some sort), so apologies in advance if this is irrelevant, but, does a rule like this not leave a very grey area ? What if one person says "your ball overflew the area it shouldn't and there is a penalty" and the other player says "no it didn't, I bent it around the dogleg" ?

Seems like a stupid rule IMO, or at best one that can't really be enforced. Fair enough for a ball that finishes or lands/hits in the OB area but overflying it ? I can't see how its within the rules of golf (haven't checked but from a common sense point of view ) to have a local rule like this.

Assuming a dogleg, does it mean that if a player doesn't quite make it to the corner by a yard or two he may have to chip it forward a couple of yards rather than play at the green ? I know this can happen when there is a tree or something in the way, but having a virtual obstacle ?? I dunno......I'd imagine fun and games in an inter-club match in a GUI comp

carnsoreboxer

Its called an Arial out of bounds.

It is a local rule on some courses but local rules should be posted up clearly, marked on card and on tee box. I play regularly where there is a similar hole and if you clear the dog leg it's a 2 stroke penalty, if you land in the dog leg you must chip out as again if you hit a shot to clear it, 2 stroke penalty.

It is punishing but as said earlier its because a local landowner doesn't want balls landing in his land and its cheaper for the club to introduce this local rule than purchase nets.

LostPassword

Ben1010 wrote: »

....It stated on the information fence at the tee box that ANY SHOT cutting the dogleg boundary would be penalised by 2 shots.
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They told me to tee off again which i refused coz there nothing in the rule book stating this.

heavyballs

Ben1010 wrote: »

I told them i was in my right to where i want to aim and hit and which i did and cleared the boundary and landed next to the green. They told me to tee off again which i refused coz there nothing in the rule book stating this. This isn't a good hole for any of the short hitters. Funny enough i put to them that if i aim straight but hit a fade/slice cutting the boundary and clearing it onto the fairway , i would still be penalised.:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

well at that stage you should have been escorted from the course,similar thing in Kilcoole golf club,on the first you're not allowed cut the dog leg,i think you get fecked off if ye do,cold always hit a big fade and say you sliced it

Ben1010

stockdam wrote: »

It's been a long time since I've played it but there should be a note on the card and/or a sign on the tee.

Some courses have the same rule and it's to stop you cutting the dogleg........the reason is that the landowner doesn't want you firing balls over their land and they are entitled to do this. Maybe they are fed up picking golf balls out of the field or whatever.

So they were right to penalise you two shots and you should have abided by the local rule which was clearly stated on the sign.

Landowner??? It was in the middle of the course.The boundary thing is just a picket fence around some heavy rough and some trees. Nothing dangerous about it at all. There was a sign on the tree. But it don't make sense! Definitely a grey area. You easily aim straight down the middle and hit a fade that might cut the corner slightly....its all ridiculous!!

Won't be back again. The green fee we paid was a cuppa of tay but they closed it as soon as we finished. Don't care what u say but i was parched!!!

Ben1977

Not 100% sure but I think this land is fenced off as this is the natural habitat of a rare frog. It may be the same on the far side of this land. They don't want people going into this area to retreive balls. Its been about 10 years since I was up there, but is the hole close to 90 degrees of a dogleg heading down hill to the corner?

Cranky Mc Funhouse

carnsoreboxer wrote: »

Its called an Arial out of bounds.

It is a local rule on some courses but local rules should be posted up clearly, marked on card and on tee box. I play regularly where there is a similar hole and if you clear the dog leg it's a 2 stroke penalty, if you land in the dog leg you must chip out as again if you hit a shot to clear it, 2 stroke penalty.

It is punishing but as said earlier its because a local landowner doesn't want balls landing in his land and its cheaper for the club to introduce this local rule than purchase nets.

This is exactly the reason for arial out of bounds. If its posted on the tee box you have to accept it tbh.

Par72

You find stuff like this on mickey mouse golf courses.

Mr. Larson

Still seems ridiculous to me - seems like you can still cut the corner if you want to as long as you're cute about it.

thegen

I have played only one other course with an aerial OB, that being Rathfarnham. It was put in for the purpose of saving the club money on a lawsuit with the neighbours land that could be hit cutting the corner.

That said, in Barton Cup matches it is taken out of play.

stockdam

I've seen other internal OOBs. I often think it's because the designer has been a bit lazy and has had to use a dog-leg where there's no protection against cutting the corner and making the hole ridiculously short.

It's also used to stop people firing down an adjacent fairway and thus putting other players in danger. So imagine a right angled where there's another fairway to the left that enables you to get very close to the green. Now imagine what would happen when the course was packed. A player would be entitled to wait until the adjacent fairway was clear and so could wait for 10 minutes until playing. He would then hold up the players on the adjacent hole as he hit his second shot. It's ok if one player does this but what if everyone wanted to do the same thing? If the hole had OOBs on the left then players could still aim over the adjacent fairway and fire the ball over the heads of players on that fairway. Ok so this is poor design but the aerial OOBs is one way of limiting the risk of people being hit or holding up play.

I don't like internal OOBs and as I said it's lazy.

There are aerial OOBs when the adjacent landowner objects.

So if it says that any ball crossing a boundary is OOB immediately on crossing then that is the rule and you have no option but to abide with it. It's not always easy to determine if your ball has crossed the boundary and come back so it's not a great rule.

Ben1010

Par72 wrote: »

You find stuff like this on mickey mouse golf courses.

That would be an insult to Mickey mouse.:):)