in a dilemma

This might be better suited to PI but not sure.

I am on DA. I have not improved healthwise in the last year but I probably never will improve and am sick of living off the government. I want to apply for work now. But if I get a job, and it turns out that I physically can't sustain that job (I'm not certain, but I think I *might* be able to work five days a week)... but if I can't, how difficult would it be to get back onto DA? It was very hard to get onto in the first place, and yes I do deserve to be on it. I just don't like being on it and want to be a functioning member of society. I am just concerned that applying for work, getting work, then possibly failing at work, will leave me without a benefit to my name.

I'm afraid to apply for work in case I fail at it, and then will have lost my social welfare payment, but at the same time I want to try because I hate being "dole scum". I'm afraid of getting a job and then being unable to keep it due to physical illness.

For the record I don't watch Jeremy Kyle.

whirlpool

budgese wrote: »

This might be better suited to PI but not sure.

I am on DA. I have not improved healthwise in the last year but I probably never will improve and am sick of living off the government. I want to apply for work now. But if I get a job, and it turns out that I physically can't sustain that job (I'm not certain, but I think I *might* be able to work five days a week)... but if I can't, how difficult would it be to get back onto DA? It was very hard to get onto in the first place, and yes I do deserve to be on it. I just don't like being on it and want to be a functioning member of society. I am just concerned that applying for work, getting work, then possibly failing at work, will leave me without a benefit to my name.

I'm afraid to apply for work in case I fail at it, and then will have lost my social welfare payment, but at the same time I want to try because I hate being "dole scum". I'm afraid of getting a job and then being unable to keep it due to physical illness.

For the record I don't watch Jeremy Kyle.

To answer your question, I don't know anything about Disability Allowance and therefore won't be able to help you out.

I think it's a disgrace that you refer to people receiving state assistance as "dole scum." And your mention of Jeremy Kyle... I see what you're getting at. Your attitude absolutely disgusts me. I'm actually a little bit seething after reading your remarks. How dare you?

Hannibal

There's many college graduates and qualified tradesmen who are presently "dole scum". Roughly 14% of our population are "scum" according to you? thats disgraceful.
And no if you get a job you cant reapply for the same illness unless something is newly classified. So enjoy been "dole scum" for a while and best of luck finding a job if you choose to go that route..

Duiske

whirlpool wrote: »

To answer your question, I don't know anything about Disability Allowance and therefore won't be able to help you out.

I think it's a disgrace that you refer to people receiving state assistance as "dole scum." And your mention of Jeremy Kyle... I see what you're getting at. Your attitude absolutely disgusts me. I'm actually a little bit seething after reading your remarks. How dare you?

I'm pretty sure budgese's reference to "dole scum" was just highlighting how he/she feels some (and there are quite a few) may view people who claim benefits. That was my take on it anyway.

wench

While on DA you can undertake some work, if it is considered to be of a rehabilitative nature. Your payment reduces on a sliding scale, depending on how much you earn. This would allow you to perhaps start a part time job, instead of jumping straight in at the deep end working 5 days a week.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/social_welfare_payments_and_work/disability_payments_and_work.html

http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Pages/DisabilityIllness.aspx

Wedgie

wench wrote: »

While on DA you can undertake some work, if it is considered to be of a rehabilitative nature. Your payment reduces on a sliding scale, depending on how much you earn. This would allow you to perhaps start a part time job, instead of jumping straight in at the deep end working 5 days a week.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/social_welfare_payments_and_work/disability_payments_and_work.html

http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Pages/DisabilityIllness.aspx

I think this sounds like the most appropriate route to take, rather than taking on a full-time job, and then perhaps finding that you are unable to do the work.

Also, you would be allowing some "dole scum" (OP's expression, not mine) to take up a full-time job instead.

Good luck with solving your dilemna.

mrsbyrne

budgese wrote: »

This might be better suited to PI but not sure.

I am on DA. I have not improved healthwise in the last year but I probably never will improve and am sick of living off the government. I want to apply for work now. But if I get a job, and it turns out that I physically can't sustain that job (I'm not certain, but I think I *might* be able to work five days a week)... but if I can't, how difficult would it be to get back onto DA? It was very hard to get onto in the first place, and yes I do deserve to be on it. I just don't like being on it and want to be a functioning member of society. I am just concerned that applying for work, getting work, then possibly failing at work, will leave me without a benefit to my name.

I'm afraid to apply for work in case I fail at it, and then will have lost my social welfare payment, but at the same time I want to try because I hate being "dole scum". I'm afraid of getting a job and then being unable to keep it due to physical illness.

For the record I don't watch Jeremy Kyle.

budgese i think i know where your coming from, but unfortunately youve come across very badly and rubbed some posters up the wrong way. maybe if you come back and post an apology for using the expression "dole scum" and the reference to jeremy kyle then posters will take your long-term illness and your frustration with a certain section of societies attitude to SW recipients into account and forget about your regrettable opening post. IMHO. you must see how offensive it might appear.
anyway, if you are considering taking up employment or doing a course or going back into education you must first get written permission form the department in longford. i would advise you to write to them and include a letter from your GP or specialist stating that he/she considers that this job/course would be rehabilitative for you. give details of the nature of the job, the hours proposed and the rate of proposed pay. be aware that if, for example, you are on DA because of chronic back pain, you will not be approved for a job involving heavy lifting. please be realistic. the means test for DA is quite generous, so it could work out well for you. you must not start work before you get the permission, and that could take some weeks

mrsbyrne

forgot to add, the work should really be part-time and is perfectly acceptable if spread out over 5 days. unless its going to be extremely well paid you should be able to hold onto at least some of your Da. if the job then for whatever reason doesnt work out it is just a question of informing the dept. and you will have your original rate of payment restored to you.

mattjack

dole scum.? never thought of myself as that..unemployed tradesman was what I call myself..,I must ask my co-workers on the CE scheme what they consider themselves...as a previous poster informed you it is possible to be on DA and work,quite a few people where I work are on DA and allowances are made for their abilities.Good luck with your attempts to find work...

whirlpool

Perhaps the OP's comment did come from his/her own insecurities. In which case, I really hope you start to feel better about yourself soon, and good luck with securing a job.

And in future, make no mistake about this - over half a million people (those currently on state benefits plus those who have emigrated) are NOT unemployed by choice or due to laziness. This situation is not something I would wish on anybody. And have a think to yourself about the thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of people whose lives are currently miserable - and in some cases unbearable - due to not having sufficient income.

Anyway, good luck.

dango

FFS let the dole scum comment go it is fairly obvious that the person doesn't think of people on the dole as scum.

OT

And no if you get a job you cant reapply for the same illness unless something is newly classified."

Got a link for this?

mattjack

dango wrote: »

FFS let the dole scum comment go it is fairly obvious that the person doesn't think of people on the dole as scum.

OT
Got a link for this?

right so...

whirlpool

dango wrote: »

FFS let the dole scum comment go it is fairly obvious that the person doesn't think of people on the dole as scum.

What a bizarre thing to say.

dango

On second thoughts maybe it isn't so clear. It's hard to pick up tone online.
I got the impression that the person was more sorry for themselves than being malicious about the situation many people find themselves in and don't deserve. I gave them the benefit of the doubt as I don't see the point feeding a troll either way.
Maybe the OP will come back and clarify?

But anyway... Could anyone clarify about the comment i quoted above? Can you not claim DA again if you go to work and fall ill under the same medical condition?

cee_jay

I was also under the impression the OP didn't mean anything malicious about their dole scum comment, and was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
However, they haven't returned to the thread so I am going to lock it for now.
As comments like this are against the charter I am locking this thread.
OP if you need further assistance, you can open a new thread and phrase the question differently or PM me to reopen this one if you wish to clarify your comments further.