VRT Uk car with no paperwork.

Torq

Here's a hypothetical situation based on the large number of uk cars sitting in fields over here for years....

Say I pick up one of the above cars that has changed hands a few times over the years. The UK V5 cert has been lost and it's not known who the last registered owner is/was.... Is there any way of VRT-ing the car here? My instinct is no way! Opinions please!

Totq

shawnee

Yeah, if you apply for and obtain a duplicate v5 which can be done. then you can vrt it. otherwise no :mad:

Bigus

I think you can apply for a certificate of export from dvla

2cv

You can't apply for a duplicate V5, but you can apply for a V756, which is a certificate of permanent export which you can use to register the car here.

http://www.dft.gov.uk/dvla/forms/onlineforms.aspx

mathepac

The trip-up here is that it is illegal for anyone without a TAN to sell to sell a car that has been imported and not re-registered and had VRT paid here first.

Essentially it's a clamp-down on the cowboy "private sellers" shifting imported cars with no VAT / tax registration or purchaser protection.

corktina

mathepac wrote: »

The trip-up here is that it is illegal for anyone without a TAN to sell to sell a car that has been imported and not re-registered and had VRT paid here first.

Essentially it's a clamp-down on the cowboy "private sellers" shifting imported cars with no VAT / tax registration or purchaser protection.

thats true. I was told in no uncertain terms by the Gards that I wasnt entitled to sell the UK car I had just sold...oops...

shawnee

2cv wrote: »

You can't apply for a duplicate V5, but you can apply for a V756, which is a certificate of permanent export which you can use to register the car here.

http://www.dft.gov.uk/dvla/forms/onlineforms.aspx

How can you possibly apply for a certificate of export for a car that you have no paperwork for and do not know the previous registered owner don't think you will get one without paperwork.

2cv

shawnee wrote: »

How can you possibly apply for a certificate of export for a car that you have no paperwork for and do not know the previous registered owner don't think you will get one without paperwork.

You don't have to believe me if you don't want to

I've done it twice. Got a UK registered car with absolutely no paperwork. Applied for the V756 in Swansea and about 6 weeks later the paperwork arrived. As long as the vehicle isn't reported stolen in the UK, you'll be grand.

Sids Not

Hypothetically ..you should ask the seller to sort out the paperwork before you buy it....;)

how big is your this field.?.......:D

shawnee

2cv wrote: »

You don't have to believe me if you don't want to

I've done it twice. Got a UK registered car with absolutely no paperwork. Applied for the V756 in Swansea and about 6 weeks later the paperwork arrived. As long as the vehicle isn't reported stolen in the UK, you'll be grand.

If you've done it , its proof enough for me. Aplologies and thanks for the info

2cv

shawnee wrote: »

If you've done it , its proof enough for me. Aplologies and thanks for the info

sarcasm really doesn't go with what you're wearing, but then again, not much does

Sids Not

2cv wrote: »

You don't have to believe me if you don't want to

I've done it twice. Got a UK registered car with absolutely no paperwork. Applied for the V756 in Swansea and about 6 weeks later the paperwork arrived. As long as the vehicle isn't reported stolen in the UK, you'll be grand.

Just wondering if that was before things changed to the NCT shower.....?

Unrealistic

Sids Not wrote: »

Just wondering if that was before things changed to the NCT shower.....?

Very good point. Experiences before September 1, 2010 might no longer hold as the system was changed on that date. On the plus side you now get 30 days to register (providing you have made an inspection appointment within 7 days of bringing the car into the country) but they seem to be more picky about paperwork in the NCT centres. I brought in a car a couple of weeks ago and they definitely wanted to see a V5 and an invoice from the the vendor. You might get away with a ferry ticket instead of an invoice to prove date of entry if the car came from mainland UK but mine came from the north. But one pleasant surprise was that the it was the girl behind the desk in the NCT centre, not one of the technical staff, who inspected my car and she only wanted to confirm the mileage and the VIN number. If it was still Revenue doing the inspections I'm pretty sure I would have got snagged with tax on the extras (parking sensors, bluetooth, climate control, etc.).

2cv

Sids Not wrote: »

Just wondering if that was before things changed to the NCT shower.....?

It was....

shawnee

2cv wrote: »

sarcasm really doesn't go with what you're wearing, but then again, not much does

Not sure what you're problem is , my comment is self explanatory.:rolleyes:

2cv

shawnee wrote: »

Not sure what you're problem is , my comment is self explanatory.:rolleyes:

Haha, i was actually being sarcastic. But a valid point was raised here.. Will they still accept a Certificate of Permanent Export now that the VRT crowd have taken over? I was offered a Golf convertible for free... same story... UK reg and the V5 has been lost. I'm wondering is it worth the hassle to take it?

macplaxton

2cv wrote: »

Will they still accept a Certificate of Permanent Export now that the VRT crowd have taken over?

Yes Dave, as they are just agents for the Revenue.

(From Revenue VRT Manual Section 1 (pdf))

"1.4.3.3 Documentation Acceptable to Revenue
In order to register any vehicle, proof of identity i.e. a Passport or a Driving Licence along with all the other required documentation must be presented at the NCTS.
1.4.3.3.1 Used Vehicles
1. Evidence of previous registration e.g. foreign certificate of registration, a certificate of permanent exportation or a certificate of de-registration, as appropriate (this document will be retained by the NCT Centre so please ensure you make a copy of it before you go to the test centre)."

slapstick

apologies for bringing up an old thread just have a question related to this topic.

if i were to bring over a vintage car from the uk without paperwork or registration number i`d need a certificate of exportation from the dvla correct ?
what information would this certificate contain ? would it have the date of first registration in the uk along with the old registration number ? or would it just confirm the vin number and state it was permanently exported from uk ?

thanks in advance

mattroche

If you buy a U.K. reg. car here without a V 5, then you have to apply to DVLA in SWANSEA for a NEW V5C. With this document, together with a reciept from the seller, ( or at least a bit of paper showing a reciept for the car, and a recent date) you should have no problems, providing you have all the other parerwork in order. I have already queried this as I have such a vehicle. I get the feeling that the customs are not really interested in the like of Clasic cars, which are not going to bring them in any big revenue,provided you regulate the the vehicle. Any of you who go to rallys will notice that there are a number of U.K. Reg. cars there. The bottom line is the N.C.T. will not clear a car without an orignal V5C. ( NO photocopies)., and make sure that the Vin No. is the same as the one on the car. I hope this helps, if not go into the DVLA website. If you phone them, they are quite helpful, but it is diffucelt to get trough. Best of luck.

hi5

You need to apply to DVLA in the UK for an Export cert, you can register the car here with this.
The problem you have, is the lack of registration number.
You need three things,reg number,engine number and vin.
Have a look inside the car for old tax discs or parking permits,you never know?

corktina

DVLA wont issue a V5C to a foriegn address, it's a Cert of Export you need.

If you don't have the reg no I'd suggest you look for another car, as it seems to me it could be anything you are buying, (stolen / HP outstanding etc.) and you're heading into a lot of red tape

slapstick

thanks for the replies. if the car was never registered in the uk (imported resto project) where would you stand on this ? i`ve heard before you can get letter from the car manufacturer ie volkswagen giving the details including vin number and date of manufacture. would this suffice for getting the car registered , obviously have to pay the duties also i`d imagine but being over 30 years old this would only be 200 euro correct ?

toe2toe

Quite a good article in this month's ( april ) Pratical Classics ,on recovering
a cars identity .May be of interest to you

mickdw

I recently got a Cert of Permanent export for an old bike from swansea. I had zero paperwork just reg, engine number and chassis number. No issues and it is a valid document for registration.
Before I realised I could get this cert (without having any documentation), I contacted revenue and they did say that they would look at registering a barn find bike without paperwork which surprised me.

MercMad

The problem here is actually the OP's original statement. Whilst you can apply for replacement documents, you can only do this if you know the current owners details.

If you were buying a classic in the UK, is it enough to basically drive back here with the receipt and the V5? Thats what I did but it was a few years ago now.

Surely you cant get a Cert of Export from the DVLA before you actually have the car back in Ireland, and if so, havent you only 7 days to sort an appointment with the NCT ??.

corktina

slapstick wrote: »

thanks for the replies. if the car was never registered in the uk (imported resto project) where would you stand on this ? i`ve heard before you can get letter from the car manufacturer ie volkswagen giving the details including vin number and date of manufacture. would this suffice for getting the car registered , obviously have to pay the duties also i`d imagine but being over 30 years old this would only be 200 euro correct ?

You could have a whole heap of dosh to spend out here depending on where the car was imported into the UK from. If it was outside the EU, VAT and Import duty will be payable.

bugsntinas

i'm saving at the moment to get a car registered here(1979).i had the original log book and cert of export but my dad shredded them:eek:.i'm going to apply for a replacement cert of export(dvla ok'd this) but i have no proof of purchase or import as it was about 5/6 years ago.i know it has been suggested that a copy of a receipt can be made but what about ferry ticket etc stating when it came into country?

shawnee

bugsntinas wrote: »

i'm saving at the moment to get a car registered here(1979).i had the original log book and cert of export but my dad shredded them:eek:.i'm going to apply for a replacement cert of export(dvla ok'd this) but i have no proof of purchase or import as it was about 5/6 years ago.i know it has been suggested that a copy of a receipt can be made but what about ferry ticket etc stating when it came into country?

Friend had one vrtd recently , had to get a replacement like yourself, no other documents were required.;)

bugsntinas

thanks for the reply.i mean at the end of the day how do they think you'd still have a ferry ticket after 5 years!!

corktina

you don't want to tell them it came into the country 5 years ago as the VRT might well have been more then and a reason they ask for proof of the date of arrival is to catch people waiting until it is 30 years old before re-regging.

The receipt needs to show you "just" bought it or imported it ideally. They probably wont take too much notice of a Classic though.

bugsntinas

i have one more option so we'll see how it goes.

hi5

The new import rulings were never aimed at classic car owners,or those waiting for the 30 year roll over.
It was aimed at the high rollers with their new Bentelys and Astons.
All in the past now, for the most part anyway:rolleyes:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=272580