can i register for vat to tax my van?

redcard

hi there

i drive a van for personal use not business and cannot get it doe or taxed without producing a vat number which i dont have. can i register for vat just so i can get my van sorted?

barneystinson

redcard wrote: »

hi there

i drive a van for personal use not business and cannot get it doe or taxed without producing a vat number which i dont have. can i register for vat just so i can get my van sorted?

Who says you can't get the DOE or tax it without a VAT number?

A trader only has to register for VAT if their sales exceed €37,500.

So what you've posted suggests that no-one with a turnover less than 37,500 can drive a van. I don't see how that can be right.

PCPhoto

redcard....have you read the many threads in the motors section?

Commercial vehicles are intended for business use only - having a commercial vehicle for private use is a bit of a no no....as insurance companies are asking for declarations that the commercial vehicle is for commercial use only and not private use.

(in recent years) Due to a high number of people buying commercial vehicles for private use the government decided to enforce the laws that exist surrounding commercial vehicles and tax.

redcard

hi there

i know a comercial vehicle is supposed to be used for business, but loads of people like me living in the country have a small van for private use, i'd be lost without it (i bring my bins to the dump in it ect), anyway i have it years and never an issue until now with tax ect just trying to find a way arround this and id say there are loads like me!!

PCPhoto

I'm afraid the best way is to lobby your local TD.... the law is quite clear.... unfortunately for you the law (or government) does not care how you get your bins to the dump.

Commercial vehicle (according to the government) is for Commercial use only.... has your insurer not asked you for a declaration that its for commercial use only?

hold up .... the answer is simple.... duh !! ... why not tax it as a private vehicle ... pay the tax rate you are supposed to be paying (I assume you can do that)

The reason the government started the clampdown was because loads of people were purchasing SUV's and claiming they were for commercial use - benefitting from the lower tax rate.... saving themselves hundreds or possibly thousands of euro a year, now they are enforcing the law which means you have to prove the vehicle is for commercial use before it can be taxed for commercial use.....I assume if you want to tax and insure the vehicle for private use the government will have no problem charging you the appropriate amount for private motor tax.

dudara

redcard wrote: »

anyway i have it years and never an issue until now with tax ect just trying to find a way arround this and id say there are loads like me!!

Trying to find a "way around it" would constituate tax evasion. We do not condone that here on Boards.

foundation10

redcard wrote: »

hi there

i drive a van for personal use not business and cannot get it doe or taxed without producing a vat number which i dont have. can i register for vat just so i can get my van sorted?

It is not correct for you to be asked for a VAT number to either tax or doe your Van, I have never heard of this before.

May I ask what do you do for a living? Can you justify a van for that purpose?

redcard

Well unfortunatly you can't tax a comercial vehicle as private if i could i would. But after a visit to the tax office today i was told quote "put down my pps number as they can't check it any way", and when i asked if id need to produce any documentation ie: tax clearance or vat cert i was told "no as it was none of there business". so it seems this "rule" is a load of s**t...

Builderfromhell

As far as I know anyone can register for VAT.
If you were selling crafts at the local market you may decide to register for VAT before your income reaches the amount where you have to register for VAT.
You would then be able to get VAT back on diesel etc. and register a commercial vehicle for commercial tax.

I admit I may be wrong but I don't see how.

PCPhoto

redcard wrote: »

Well unfortunatly you can't tax a comercial vehicle as private if i could i would. But after a visit to the tax office today i was told quote "put down my pps number as they can't check it any way", and when i asked if id need to produce any documentation ie: tax clearance or vat cert i was told "no as it was none of there business". so it seems this "rule" is a load of s**t...

of course they can check it ..... all they have to do is run the PPS number in the system and see what tax rate/PRSI contributions are made.

I'm sure revenue Revenue would be interested in hearing the source of who told you to "put down your PPS number as they cant check it" .... was it a staff member or some randomer in the queue.

Builderfromhell wrote: »

As far as I know anyone can register for VAT.
If you were selling crafts at the local market you may decide to register for VAT before your income reaches the amount where you have to register for VAT.
You would then be able to get VAT back on diesel etc. and register a commercial vehicle for commercial tax.

I admit I may be wrong but I don't see how.

Businesses are not required to register for VAT until they reach the €37K or €38K per annum rate...sole traders are included in this, but to register for vat as a sole trader or business you require a business registration number.

mann

redcard wrote: »

Well unfortunatly you can't tax a comercial vehicle as private if i could i would. But after a visit to the tax office today i was told quote "put down my pps number as they can't check it any way", and when i asked if id need to produce any documentation ie: tax clearance or vat cert i was told "no as it was none of there business". so it seems this "rule" is a load of s**t...

I taxed 2 vans as private last month - I even changed the log book over to private on one of them before finding out it didnt have to be done this way to tax the first van as private... only cost €6 to change over,

Had a nightmare of a job finding someone to insure me with the private tax but thats all sorted now "Thank Budda"

somehow me thinks they shouldnt have changed it over but they did, Didnt need a Vat number for the DOE but i needed the DOE to get the private tax,

villian02

I'm buying a car van in the next week and i'm trying to get this straight in my head, bear with me.....

In order for me to avail of commerical motor tax I need to prove its being used for commerical purposes. But proof of this would mean providing:


1. VAT number,
2. provide a Revenue registration identity number

And i could also be asked for but not limited to:

a tax clearance certificate; a commercial insurance certificate and a copy of their notice of tax registration form


even though you don't need to be register for VAT if the business doesnt have a gross income exceeding circa €38k?


Also, the RF 111A form means you have to state:

the vehicle will not be used “at any time” for social, domestic or leisure purposes.

So other than complying with all of the above, the vehicle must be registered privately?

I think my train of thought is right, if not plesase aid me.

howardmarks

villain
what is the car van being used for?
If its for private use you need to tax and insure it privately. This can be done as i've read from another poster in the big debate in the motor forum thread.
If it's for commercial use for your business you shouldnt need a vat number. If your a sole trader your pps number should suffice. Even if your a laborer or work on a site and carry your own tools to and from work your pps number should be adequate as this should be deemed as commercial use.

You are only required to register for vat when u exceed the threshold for supply of services or sale of goods. Why certain motor tax offices are asking for this is beyond me but im guessing their understanding of the irish tax system both personal and business is flawed. They may be of the understanding vat registration is needed to do business. Motor tax people have no working knowledge of the Personal or business tax system in ireland.

do a search for this in the motor forums as there is many threads and one long one in particular that make for interesting reading.


edit . You cant register for VAT unless u are carrying out a vatable activity.

DoMyBooks

They can easily validate VAT numbers on the vies system http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/vies/

tbukela

Someone earning under the threshold of €37,500 for services or €75,000 for sale of goods can elect to register for VAT. If you register you then have to submit returns etc.
I'd imagine that there are loads of non VAT registered people that have commercial vehicle taxed.
Surely it has more to do with the vehicle then anything else?