new gun blues

snipe02

got the new gun last mon i switched from a side by side to my first o\u been out a good bit with it and ive been missing shots i know i would have nailed with the s\s is this normal adjusting to a new gun or switching from s\s to o\u please any tips or advice welcome as im beginning to miss my s\s i find it does not feel as natural when shooting it like i have to concentrate on the bead and target where as with the s\s i just concentrated on on the target and did not have to think about the gun as i said all input welcome thanks in advance

Glensman

Same thing happened to a real good game shooter here. He ended up switching back to a sbs...

Is the OU a good fit for you??

snipe02

ye the fit is pretty good and at most i have to squeeze my face down a tiny bit but not much but the barrells are longer on the o\u and it is a tad heavier.... do you sight down the rib on an o\u so you can only see the bead or do sight along the rib meaning the rib and bead are in sight which was thecase with the s\s

Glensman

I sight that the rib is just out of sight. My best shots though are taken without paying any attention to rib or bead.

My advice would be to get a manual trap and build up confidence on clays.
Also set up a pattern plate to see where exactly you are shooting.

There was an Excellent article on this exact thing in the quarter's BASC magazine. It sounds like it's basically an issue of gun-fit (in fact i'm sure of it). This has caused you to lose confidence, making the issue worse.

snipe02

thats good advice your right about the confidence i have the shot missed before i take it i will def try the a pattern plate and see if im shooting where im looking another thing is the bottom barrel fires first do i cover the target for this or do i place the bead right under the target i always placed the bead under the target and was thinkingdoes it make a difference that the barrels on the s\s are horizontil and the o\u are verticle hope i explainedc this clearly

thekevin4540

i had the same problome couldnt hit a thing with it . i took off the bead and aim off the barrel and i have a very good shot with it now

Glensman

snipe02 wrote: »

thats good advice your right about the confidence i have the shot missed before i take it i will def try the a pattern plate and see if im shooting where im looking another thing is the bottom barrel fires first do i cover the target for this or do i place the bead right under the target i always placed the bead under the target and was thinkingdoes it make a difference that the barrels on the s\s are horizontil and the o\u are verticle hope i explainedc this clearly

The advice above of taking the bead off is worth a try, once you get your confidence up.

Make no adjustment for the gun firing top or bottom barrel.
On my gun I place the bead just under the target... Yours wont be exactly the same, go pattern the gun then hit some clays.

Be advised though that none of this will 'solve' the problem. Your issue is gun-fit. As long as the gun is not a perfect fit you wont shoot as well as you did with the sbs...


PM me your address and I'll send you the latest BASC magazine. Your problem is covered in detail; you can pay me back with deer stalking permission or something :D

snipe02

snipe02 wrote: »

is this normal adjusting to a new gun or switching from s\s to o\u p

I shoot with a s\s normally and when I shoot with an o\u I tend to twist the gun slightly so that I'm looking at one side of the barrels and not down the centre. Might be just me though :P

snipe02

thekevin4540 wrote: »

i had the same problome couldnt hit a thing with it . i took off the bead and aim off the barrel and i have a very good shot with it now

do you cover the target or put the the barrels directly under it

K80

hi if you stand in front of a mirror and dry mount for at least 10 mins every day you would be surprised how well your gun mount will improve and sometimes with an o/u you can over lead some targets and pattern plates are also a good idea

K80

just wondering if anyone knows anyone looking for a Beretta DT 10 30" sporter o/u i have one for sale and dont know where to advertise it

snipe02

Glensman wrote: »

The advice above of taking the bead off is worth a try, once you get your confidence up.

Make no adjustment for the gun firing top or bottom barrel.
On my gun I place the bead just under the target... Yours wont be exactly the same, go pattern the gun then hit some clays.

Be advised though that none of this will 'solve' the problem. Your issue is gun-fit. As long as the gun is not a perfect fit you wont shoot as well as you did with the sbs...


PM me your address and I'll send you the latest BASC magazine. Your problem is covered in detail; you can pay me back with deer stalking permission or something :D

pm sent thank you

thekevin4540

snipe02 wrote: »

do you cover the target or put the the barrels directly under it

i put the barrel on the bird and im perfect with it

ejg

A couple years ago I went to a laser fitting session.
Really good investment.
When the test gun didn't fit, groups were tight but next to the target.
Once the gun fit was adjusted, my groups shifted to the centre, these gun measurements were transfered to my OU.
I needed 1" longer stock and 1/4" cast.
perfect,
edi

snipe02

ejg wrote: »

A couple years ago I went to a laser fitting session.
Really good investment.
When the test gun didn't fit, groups were tight but next to the target.
Once the gun fit was adjusted, my groups shifted to the centre, these gun measurements were transfered to my OU.
I needed 1" longer stock and 1/4" cast.
perfect,
edi

where would i go to have it fitted correctly im in southeast

deeksofdoom

If you have to adjust your head at all then the gun doesn’t fit. Game shooting as you know is all about snap shooting. Throw the gun up into your shoulder give the bird a bit of lead and you should knock him. If you have to squeeze your head down onto the stock you’re just wasting your time. I can’t shoot with an over an under I’ve even got the stock adjusted and I still couldn’t hit anything with it, had a semi automatic after that which I had good results with but I’m now using a side by side, it’s the right job. There’s a couple of gunsmiths around Wexford not sure who they are, Walter Blacklaw, East Coast Rod and Gun and Mervyn Jeffers in Bandon definitely fit guns. It’ll cost you roughly about 100 euro.

Otherwise go back and get your old gun.

ejg

I went to Mervin Jeffers for the measurement, but that was years ago.
If anything an over under would be better compared to a SBS but either
have to fit.
edi

blackstairsboy

I do nearly all my shooting with a sxs. I have an old u/o and when I do use it I do nothing different. Practice at mounting the gun for 10 mins every evening. Close your eyes and mount the gun when you open them you should be looking straight down the barrell. If the gun needs to be fitted get it done as you will spend ages adjusting yourself to the gun and will probabley end up giving yourself bad habits. I shoot the very same with both the guns, I stare at the target never see the barrells, mount the gun, swing naturally and then fire when it all feels right. It is not the most scientific way but it works for me. Before I got my sxs fitted I was missing a load of birds I know I should have killed. When the gun was fitted my confidence came back and now I would consider myself a good(ish) shot.:rolleyes:

Gerry Gearon in Clonmel done mine and done a great job on it and very good price also.

snipe02

thanks lads the gun does feel to be a good fit but i could not figure out wheather to sight the bead and barrels are just concentrate on the target like i did with the s\s its seems to me im maybe thinking too much when the time comes bvecause ive tried the mirror ive tried closing my eyes and mounting the gun and ive been dry mounting the gun for the last ten mins and it comes up nice and im sighting down the rib everytime i def need to practice on clays and get used to the gun i bit more before i decide to change back i bought this one because it felt right when i tried it if needs be i will have it fitted. a 100 euro sounds very reasonable ... is that just to be told its has to be altered or is that for the lot

deeksofdoom

ejg wrote: »

If anything an over under would be better compared to a SBS
edi

That's Bo11ocks and I'm not just saying that because I shoot with a side by side and its my own personnal preference, its just you can't just come out with a statement that O/U's are better than side by sides, its down to the individual shooter and what suits them, as you have also said, but that statement above is wrong.

ejg

Most choose OU for clay shooting, I presume they are all wrong.
With an over under you have less obstruction out the front, see more = hit more.
Maybe we should look at the last clay, skeet and so on world cups, that would indicate what has the edge.
For game shooting weight is not an issue as sxs and o/u can be had light.
Reloading is possibly quicker with the sxs
edi

deeksofdoom

ejg wrote: »

Most choose OU for clay shooting, I presume they are all wrong.
With an over under you have less obstruction out the front, see more = hit more.
Maybe we should look at the last clay, skeet and so on world cups, that would indicate what has the edge.
For game shooting weight is not an issue as sxs and o/u can be had light.
Reloading is possibly quicker with the sxs
edi

What am I a mind reader, why didn't you say you were talking about clay shooting!:rolleyes:

How would reloading be quicker with a Side by Side?

It wasn't me!

deeksofdoom wrote: »

What am I a mind reader, why didn't you say you were talking about clay shooting!:rolleyes:

How would reloading be quicker with a Side by Side?

If you grab two cartridges from your belt, assuming a broken gun over the crook of the other arm, one with thumb and forefinger, the other with the middle finger against the back of the forefinger, they're in the same axis as the barrels and you don't have to turn your hand to drop them in. Other people say the gape of the SxS is better for it, but I don't really see that myself.