End of Munster = End of Ireland

liammur · 17-01-2011 4:41pm #1

Sad, but true.

Every and any team will target our scrum and demolish it. Rebuilding in the forwards is now needed.

What s glorious period we had though, well done boys - a big thank you.

17-01-2011 4:43pm

[Jackass] · 17-01-2011 4:44pm

There will probably be one Munster forward in the Irish pack. Our scrum is fine. We just need the coach to pick at least half of the best players at his disposal and Ireland will not suffer at all.

If he keeps picking his mates, then yes, we're screwd.

liammur · 17-01-2011 4:46pm

[Jackass] wrote: »

There will probably be one Munster forward in the Irish pack. Our scrum is fine. We just need the coach to pick at least half of the best players at his disposal and Ireland will not suffer at all.

If he keeps picking his mates, then yes, we're screwd.

It's frightening how poor our pack is at the moment, we relied on bull hayes for years. Now, what do we do?
W Cup over before it starts.

17-01-2011 4:48pm

There are 3 other professional teams based in Ireland which feed the International setup. There are also overseas players such as Bowe to come into the team too.

You are downright trolling at this stage.

17-01-2011 4:49pm

liammur wrote: »

It's frightening how poor our pack is at the moment, we relied on bull hayes for years. Now, what do we do?
W Cup over before it starts.

Its frightening how poor Munster's pack is. Ireland should be fine once the right options are picked.

sock puppet · 17-01-2011 4:50pm

He's right though. Strong provinces/regions are an absolute must for international success. You only have to look at New Zealand this year and how their poorly performing regional sides set them up for their worst ever performance in the Tri-Nations... oh wait.

CouchSmart · 17-01-2011 4:51pm

Paulusmaximus · 17-01-2011 4:51pm

this has to be a wind up however:

Pick a pack of

Healy
Best/Cronin
Ross
2 of Cullen/O'Callaghan/O'Connell
Ferris
O'Brien
Heaslip

and we'll have no problem winning goodball off our own set pieces and bar the locks it is still quite a young pack...

liammur · 17-01-2011 4:51pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Ireland should be fine once the right options are picked.

Pick your Irish pack for me then.

smurphy29 · 17-01-2011 4:52pm

Purrrlease. Pull the other one. This 'Munster are the heart and soul of Irish rugby' nonsense is the sort of arrogance that allowed the team to decay. Leinster are playing outstanding rugby with a predominantly Irish team. So long as Kidney embraces their offloading spirit, he just needs to fill the gaps with Cronin, O'Connell, Ferris and Bowe. As for the scrum, Mike Ross has held it up at Leinster all season.

Of course, if Kidney persists with DOC, Buckle, Hayes, O'Leary and Leamy you're entirely correct.

17-01-2011 4:53pm

liammur wrote: »

Pick your Irish pack for me then.

See the post above yours for one example

liammur · 17-01-2011 4:53pm

sock puppet wrote: »

He's right though. Strong provinces/regions are an absolute must for international success.
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Correct. You only need look at England.

liammur · 17-01-2011 4:55pm

Deleted User wrote: »

See the post above yours for one example

Healy, best and cronin will make for a great scrum?

God help us.

sock puppet · 17-01-2011 4:56pm

liammur wrote: »

Correct. You only need look at England.

You mean the England side who were the only team to beat a Tri-Nations team down under despite their clubs being having being pretty mediocre in European competitions the past few years?

smurphy29 · 17-01-2011 4:57pm

liammur wrote: »

Pick your Irish pack for me then.

It's so obvious it's staring you in the face!

Healy
Cronin / Best
Ross
POC
Cullen / Tuohy
Ferris
SOB
Heaslip

17-01-2011 4:57pm

liammur wrote: »

Healy, best and cronin will make for a great scrum?

God help us.

Well if we play Cronin at prop then we may have issues.

Healy Varley Ross
Tuohy POC
Ferris Heaslip SOB

Would be one of the best packs in the NH imo. Leinster scrum haven't had much trouble this year.

Take off the blinkers and come out of the cold, there's plenty to be optimistic about.

CouchSmart · 17-01-2011 4:58pm

liammur wrote: »

Healy, best and cronin will make for a great scrum?

God help us.

Healy, Best, Ross. This is an international standard front row. There's also Court, Cronin and Varley well able to do the job and then untested players such as Wilkinson and Hagan at Connacht.

Paulusmaximus · 17-01-2011 4:58pm

liammur wrote: »

Healy, best and cronin will make for a great scrum?

God help us.

i didn't say great scrum and i don't think anyone would say it would be a great scrum but it would hold its own and we'd retain possession and i'd be confident it wouldn't give away many penalties... ireland have rarely used a scrum as a weapon, thats hardly going to change now.

almighty1 · 17-01-2011 4:59pm

liammur wrote: »

Healy, best and cronin will make for a great scrum?

God help us.

Wow another thread already on the apocalyptic end of Munster :rolleyes:
And yes Healy,Best/Cronin,Ross should make a pretty decent scrum.

liammur · 17-01-2011 4:59pm

sock puppet wrote: »

You mean the England side who were the only team to beat a Tri-Nations team down under despite their clubs being having being pretty mediocre in European competitions the past few years?

Have a quick look at the 6 nations tables over the last few years, before you heap too much praise on England.

trackguy · 17-01-2011 5:00pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Its frightening how poor Munster's pack is. Ireland should be fine once the right options are picked.

How likely is this to happen? In November Ireland's set piece was a joke, just as Munster's has been for most of the season.

I'd fear Kidney has decided on his world cup squad and there is no room for Mike Ross. Who knows whether Ross will have a positive effect on the Irish scrum but without him, Ireland are definitely screwed in the scrum, to put it simply.

O'Brien will come into the team - he is simply too good not to.

Dan Tuohy needs to be involved - he is the dynamic 2nd row we have.

Imagine a pack with Ross, Cronin, Healy in the front row - 2 very dynamic players and 1 of the form tightheads in Europe.

2nd row of Tuohy and POC -Dynamic ball carrier in Tuohy and a great lineout operator and leader in O'COnnell

Back-row of Ferris, Heaslip, O'Brien. As dangerous and as balanced a backrow that we could hope for.

I would fancy THAT pack's chances against any other in the 6 Nations.

It's a sign of the times that there is only 1 Munster player in it.

molloyjh · 17-01-2011 5:00pm

Easy enough....

Healy (not Munster)
Cronin (Not Munster)
Ross (Not Munster)
Cullen (Not Munster - but a lot of talk of Dan Tuohy in Ulster maybe too, possibility of DOC either)
POC (Munster)
Ferris (Not Munster)
Heaslip (Not Munster)
SOB (Not Munster)

At absolute best that's 2 Munster players in the scrum. On the bench you'd have Court, Varley, Buckley, Tuohy/Cullen/DOC and Wally.

So in the match day 22 the most Munster are going to contribute (assuming players are picked on form etc) is 5.

I've seen so many comments about how Munster ARE the Irish team, and even that Munster ARE the HC, even since yesterday. That sort of arrogance is ridiculous at the best of times. It's downright laughable now. Munster were a great side, and will be again I have no doubt. But right now they're in a slump. The flip side, from an international point of view, is that Leinster are doing incredibly well right now. They are one of the most in form teams in Europe. It's their turn now to dominate Irish rugby.

liammur · 17-01-2011 5:02pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Well if we play Cronin at prop then we may have issues.

Healy Varley Ross
Tuohy POC
Ferris Heaslip SOB

Would be one of the best packs in the NH imo. Leinster scrum haven't had much trouble this year.

Take off the blinkers and come out of the cold, there's plenty to be optimistic about.

Unless my memory is failing me, I seem to remember Toulouse demolishing Leinster scrum last season. Our pack is certainly up to standard v scots, welsh

sock puppet · 17-01-2011 5:03pm

liammur wrote: »

Have a quick look at the 6 nations tables over the last few years, before you heap too much praise on England.

And what about the Six Nations table from 2003-07? Back when Leicester and Wasps were still European powerhouses? And how did South Africa do this year? I mean they have 3 of the best provincial/club sides in the world. It surely translated into international success by your logic.

17-01-2011 5:04pm

liammur wrote: »

Unless my memory is failing me, I seem to remember Toulouse demolishing Leinster scrum last season. Our pack is certainly up to standard v scots, welsh

Was Mike Ross playing? Was Schmidt in charge?

Bygones are bygones. Another typically obtuse comment deflecting from the issues. You could write for the Star with your sensationalist attitude.

Teams change, and develop for the good. You're getting caught up in memories, and little else. Get with the times.

liammur · 17-01-2011 5:04pm

molloyjh wrote: »

Easy enough....

Healy (not Munster)
Cronin (Not Munster)
Ross (Not Munster)
Cullen (Not Munster - but a lot of talk of Dan Tuohy in Ulster maybe too, possibility of DOC either)
POC (Munster)
Ferris (Not Munster)
Heaslip (Not Munster)
SOB (Not Munster)

At absolute best that's 2 Munster players in the scrum. On the bench you'd have Court, Varley, Buckley, Tuohy/Cullen/DOC and Wally.

So in the match day 22 the most Munster are going to contribute (assuming players are picked on form etc) is 5.

I've seen so many comments about how Munster ARE the Irish team, and even that Munster ARE the HC, even since yesterday. That sort of arrogance is ridiculous at the best of times. It's downright laughable now. Munster were a great side, and will be again I have no doubt. But right now they're in a slump. The flip side, from an international point of view, is that Leinster are doing incredibly well right now. They are one of the most in form teams in Europe. It's their turn now to dominate Irish rugby.

I agree Munster won't have and shouldn't have more than 3 players in the Irish team, it's the pack where munster are traditionally strong, and it's for this reason that I see Ireland struggle big time.

toomevara · 17-01-2011 5:05pm

Only one doom-laden, apocalyptic, end of the world. "we're all doomed" Munster thread permitted on this forum (its a new rule)...Use the "for whom the bell tolls" thread to work it out of your system if you must folks...

End of Munster = End of Ireland

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