Whats the wages like

cathy01

Hi just wondering what a clinical psychologist would expect to earn per annum?
Can I add in here what would an OT specialising in Autism expect to earn?
And maybe also a speech and lanague therapist?
Thanks for the help.cathy

JuliusCaesar

54K to start. 36K as a trainee. Which would explain why it's so hard to get into.

cathy01

Janey mac.thanks for that,Cathy

Valmont

JuliusCaesar wrote: »

54K to start. 36K as a trainee. Which would explain why it's so hard to get into.

I would imagine that those wages might be negotiated downwards over the next few years? The country is falling into a financial abyss after all or do you think that the practitioners in the HSE will be safe as opposed to the administrative staff?

Grigzz

Valmount, the salary will now be reduced by 10% for all new staff starting so is on it's way down. In regard to frontline staff taking more pay cuts, I can see it happening, but I don't think it should. There are a lot of areas of waste in the HSE and unions can be blamed a lot for this, inflexible work practice, deliniation of roles etc. This is far less evident in most front line health staff groups (one does spring to mind though!!). I fear that there will be a serious loss of skills if more cuts take place. I work in a very busy mental health dept. Which once had a team of 7.5 psychologists we now have 4 for the same work load. On top of this wages have dropped significantly. I understand that there are many less fortunate people who have lost jobs but the reality of the situation is that many psychologists, doctors etc could relocate and find work immediatly outside of the country. This could lead to a massive shortage of experience, also changes to pensions etc have already led to a number of very experienced professionals taking early retirement and working in private practice.

I don't think there is the political will to look at the system and target areas which are under performing or are wastefull. This again will result in sweeping general cuts and increase the possibility of many excellent people from the health service. When you consider that it will take the average psychologist 8-10 years to qualify, the salary seems justified, and also indicates how difficult it will be to replace people who consider working in better climates!

Sorry if this has gone off topic, but this rant has been building!

Odysseus

Grigzz wrote: »

Valmount, the salary will now be reduced by 10% for all new staff starting so is on it's way down. In regard to frontline staff taking more pay cuts, I can see it happening, but I don't think it should. There are a lot of areas of waste in the HSE and unions can be blamed a lot for this, inflexible work practice, deliniation of roles etc. This is far less evident in most front line health staff groups (one does spring to mind though!!). I fear that there will be a serious loss of skills if more cuts take place. I work in a very busy mental health dept. Which once had a team of 7.5 psychologists we now have 4 for the same work load. On top of this wages have dropped significantly. I understand that there are many less fortunate people who have lost jobs but the reality of the situation is that many psychologists, doctors etc could relocate and find work immediatly outside of the country. This could lead to a massive shortage of experience, also changes to pensions etc have already led to a number of very experienced professionals taking early retirement and working in private practice.

I don't think there is the political will to look at the system and target areas which are under perforI know it a bit ot but it a fair point,
ming or are wastefull. This again will result in sweeping general cuts and increase the possibility of many excellent people from the health service. When you consider that it will take the average psychologist 8-10 years to qualify, the salary seems justified, and also indicates how difficult it will be to replace people who consider working in better climates!

Sorry if this has gone off topic, but this rant has been building!

I know it a bit ot but it a fair point, as a psychotherapist I put 5 years in education to qualify which is always on going you know yourself. On top of my health board supervision I also pay for my own.

I know people who are still doing very well solely in private practice, whereas I chose to work who could not afford to paid for my services, without levies or anything like that over 4,500 E was just taken from my gross pay last year. I have taking ion lecturing to make up the decision. It goes for us all psychologists and psychotherapists we have put a significant investment into our training and it does not stop when we are qualified. I am always reminded for the saying if you pay peanuts you get monkeys, and at the end of the day we are professions who deal with some very high level responsibilities.

So in sum I stand over the fees we are paid in with in the Public Sector, we supply a specialised service which requires a strong level of education and CDP and should be reflect in our wages.

Myksyk

Trainee 35k
Basic 54k - 84k
Senior 78k - 91k
Principal 91k- 105k
Director 99k - 114k

Myksyk

Actually, I may be behind the times with those numbers. I thought they were from Jan 1st this year but they refer to salaries as they were post Jan 1st 2010 so they may be up to 10% less than that now if not slightly more.

JuliusCaesar

Grigzz wrote: »

Valmount, the salary will now be reduced by 10% for all new staff starting so is on it's way down. In regard to frontline staff taking more pay cuts, I can see it happening, but I don't think it should.

EVERYONE's pay is going down in the public service.

Grigzz wrote: »

There are a lot of areas of waste in the HSE and unions can be blamed a lot for this, inflexible work practice, deliniation of roles etc.

Oh yes? Proof?

Grigzz wrote: »

This is far less evident in most front line health staff groups (one does spring to mind though!!).

Sniping at other professions serves no purpose and is generally due to misunderstanding what other professions do. We work together in MDTs, and this kind of sniping gets you nowhere (except disliked by other team members....not much of a team).

Grigzz wrote: »

I fear that there will be a serious loss of skills if more cuts take place. ................ many psychologists, doctors etc could relocate and find work immediatly outside of the country. This could lead to a massive shortage of experience, ......... will result in sweeping general cuts and increase the possibility of many excellent people from the health service.

Already happening. Last couple of years of nurse graduates have had to go abroad straightaway due to the recruitment freeze. Look over on the health sciences forum to see what our medical brethern are doing. Yes, "political will" in the last how many years has been for a 2-tier health service, running down the public service and giving tax exemptions to the private.

Myksyk

Myksyk wrote: »

Actually, I may be behind the times with those numbers. I thought they were from Jan 1st this year but they refer to salaries as they were post Jan 1st 2010 so they may be up to 10% less than that now if not slightly more.

Actually the numbers I gave are accurate as they relate to gross salaries which haven't been changed. It is of course the nett pay which has been hit by cuts, levies and charges.

Valmont

JuliusCaesar wrote: »

There are a lot of areas of waste in the HSE and unions can be blamed a lot for this, inflexible work practice, deliniation of roles etc.

Oh yes? Proof?

I'm quite aghast that you seem unconvinced that the HSE and the unions contribute to an awful lot of waste in our healthcare system, but that's beside the point I guess.