what the law on cults or sects ?

purplehaze901

Hi
Im just wondering what is the law on cults or sects in Ireland i know of a group operating in the country which and i want to warn other people about it, im thinking about going to a local TD and i've also had the idea of radio stations and possibly RTE? what this group have done to people has almost permanently ****ed their heads up ! i know of several others who have left in recent years.

There big on isolation techniques and trying to separate you from your family and friends everyone in the group have very little contact with friends and even family members, and the worst part about it is the people in the group dont even realise theere listening to this ****ing cult leader in india and they think he is god and were all "going to the brighter world".

some of the main points of the group

1. The group claims that there is a place they call "Brighter World" where elevated souls of this cult go after they die.

2. The group claims that there is a French lady, who receives messages from BRIGHTER WORLD from departed souls of this cult, (these messages are sold at a price of $250 per 600 messages).

3. The group claims that leader of the cult transmits divine energy into the heart of its members via appointed preceptors.

4. The group claims that it is divine organization and its leader is divine.

5. The group claims that anyone who does not adhere to the principles laid by the cult are "enemies of spirituality"

6. The group claims it arranges divine marriages, and such marriages are blessed by divine power. (However numerous cases of divorce has been reported, in 3 such cases marriages have ended up the same day they took place) list of such divorces and other forced divorces can be found at [www.geocities.com]

7. The group claims that it is ONLY through practice of Sahaj Marg can one reach salvation

8. The group claims that people from any religion can become member of Sahaj Marg, however the leader claims that “All religions are divisive, and Sahaj Marg can unite humanity.


9. The group asks its members not to be attached with anything material, however the leader of the group is fighting various court battles for control property, land and bank accounts of the founder. (http://judis.nic.in/supremecourt/chejudis.asp case type Appeal (Civil) case number 6619 year 2000)


10. The group claims that it preaches love and peace, however the leader himself has been convicted in 1987 for spreading violence, family member's of the founder have appealed to the president of India for their safety as the group and its brainwashed members have attacked them violently (proof's about the police report and newspaper clipping are available at [www.geocities.com])

When we read this, we get astonished as how is it possible that a sane person believes such unbelievable things? Answer to this can be understood in the fact that group is highly manipulative in nature, on surface it claims that its practices are useful for normal householders, what it hides is, one of the main conditions of this group is absolute obedience and absolute devotion to the leader of the group, how can a person be 100% devoted to family and at the same time 100% dedicated for the mission? it is like asking a person to be present at two different place at the same time, but still there are people who follow such absurdity, because they have accepted one fallacy (that the group is ONLY group which is divine) and since they have became believers they can accept any absurdity afterward, the logic is flawless. Once they give up their rational faculty and believe in an absurdity, they might as well believe in anything. Once they let themselves to be fooled, then they are fooled again and again because there is no end to foolishness.

What the group does not disclose is that the leader of this cult has a criminal background and has recently been charge-sheeted in several criminal cases, detailed information about this groups activities can be found at blogs and websites of ex-members and family members of those who were affected directly or indirectly by teachings of this cult, below is the list of such websites and blogs.


How they do it is so subtle you dont even notice until your sucked in, their have been a few lucky ones who snapped out of themselfs, the main reason why im so interested in taking this group apart is not only my anger about how they brainwash people but they are now targeting vulnerable young people in colleges and universities so they can get more people in the group!

any one have any idea what you would do in that situation ?

newmug

I'm not trying to belittle your horrible experience or anything here, but how does one get involved in cults like that in the first place? Do they do a recruitment drive, drug you up, and then whisk people off to a camp somewhere?

Its just that if people could recognise that they are being "sucked in", they would have an oppertunity to get out sooner rather than later. It's not like the Church where you're born into an already existing culture, and can choose to reject it. This is what I can never understand about cults, how exactly do they convince rational, intelligent people to bend to their wishes?

As for the legal end of things, I'm sorry OP, I wouldn't be of any help to you there!

purplehaze901

yes the people in their are intelligent but the rational thinking is not there , these people are vulnerable depressed former drug addicts and alcoholics and or going through a mid life crisis,

people who going looking for meditation are people who are depressed and going through a **** time in life thats why

i have yet to meet an entirely happy person who goes looking for meditation can you tell me why someone who is entirely happy in life why they would go looking for something like this ?

and also theres the element of safety within the group they love to talk about how the outside world is so full of grossness and so much bad stfuff happening recession etc etc just pumping fear in to you, and they do what is known as love bombing anyone who is getting suspicious of the group immediately there will be a few of them who will crowd round you being overly nice giving you lots of attention to distract you from your suspiciousness to make you think what could possibly be wrong here google love bombing !

Zambia

I dont get the question?

All I keep thinking is dont join the eejits.

Do you mean if a loved one or family member has joined such a group how legally can you break their hold on them?

I did hear of kidnappings where people are de-programmed. I cant imagine them being legal....

MagicSean

1. You can't cure stupidity

2. You can't help someone if they don't want help

3. You have the freedom to practice your religion once you do not break the law or interfere with others.

In all honesty, how is this cult much different to Catholicism?

purplehaze901

sorry zambia the question is how to stop this group,

kmac i suppose their not much different i would just like to know what can be done, although they do try to isolate you from family and friends which i dont think the catholic church does ?

i cant seem to find anyhthing legal in the irish statute book

MagicSean

It's in the constitution.

purplehaze901

i cant find it ?

is it 44.2.3 the blasphemy law i ant make much sense of that to be honest maybe you could explain how its relevant to my case

Zambia

purplehaze901 wrote: »

sorry zambia the question is how to stop this group,

Well they are not breaking any laws.

They are entitled to believe what they believe. They are also entitled to practice same.

MagicSean

All of Article 44.2