While driving Habbits - Cig Butts....

BronsonTB

Lately I've noticed alot more smokers throwing their lit cigarettes out the window to bounce on the road in front of me....Maybe cause it's dark I notice it alot more than daylight hours....

Only once has one hit off my car thankfully.....

I believe it's illegal but has anyone here actually heard of anyone been fined for doing it??

(Non smoker & no offence to those smokers that don't have this habbit!!)

Saruman

There is an advertising campaign that says something like "No Butts about it" And shows a load of butts and goes on to educate people that this is littering.

CreepingDeath

It's definitely littering.

Time to ban driving while smoking too.
It's just as bad as driving while using a mobile phone, only a mobile phone won't burn the bollix out of you if you drop it in your lap.

Cuddlesworth

CreepingDeath wrote: »

won't burn the bollix out of you if you drop it in your lap.

Was behind a ould fellow on a Harley last year. Coming up to the lights filtering this asshole flicks the butt of the window into this gentleman's lap. Brakes go on, he taps on the window, it opens, calm as punch he flicks the cigarette into the gentleman's eye and drives on. Looked quite sore.

seamus

BronsonTB wrote: »

I believe it's illegal but has anyone here actually heard of anyone been fined for doing it??

Ten years or so ago a former mate of mine was bailing down the M50 in his Ma's car. L plates, 3 passengers (none with a full licence), music blaring, the whole shebang.

He flicked his cigarette butt out the window....and hit the windscreen of the squad car behind him.

Went to court for that one, got a big enough fine, though I can't remember how much.

Plug

My aunty got fined €500 quid for doing it not so long ago.

MarkoC

CreepingDeath wrote: »

It's definitely littering.

Time to ban driving while smoking too.
It's just as bad as driving while using a mobile phone, only a mobile phone won't burn the bollix out of you if you drop it in your lap.

I agree its littering but with your second part of the post i disagree.
You dont think about it when u smoking, its a habbit, having a coversation via phone is different and nearly as bad as using hands free system.

slimjimmc

MarkoC wrote: »

I agree its littering but with your second part of the post i disagree.
You dont think about it when u smoking, its a habbit, having a coversation via phone is different and nearly as bad as using hands free system.

It's the process of fumbling around for the packet, taking out the ciggy, watching (listening) for the lighter to pop up that's the main problem. You might be able to do it single-handed and without taking your eyes of the road much but it's still distracting your attention.

MarkoC

slimjimmc wrote: »

It's the process of fumbling around for the packet, taking out the ciggy, watching (listening) for the lighter to pop up that's the main problem. You might be able to do it single-handed and without taking your eyes of the road much but it's still distracting your attention.

4 months old baby is more danger in the car than a cigarette in the pack and in your mouth, just stop that childish yoke please

A WOMAN as a passenger is even more danger, as they nonstop bitching in the car and dont let you concentrate on the traffic

BLA BLA BLA !

Anan1

slimjimmc wrote: »

It's the process of fumbling around for the packet, taking out the ciggy, watching (listening) for the lighter to pop up that's the main problem. You might be able to do it single-handed and without taking your eyes of the road much but it's still distracting your attention.

As an ex-smoker, i'd say that 99.99% of the time smoking while driving is less dangerous than using the phone. But that 0.01% of the time when things do go wrong can be very dangerous indeed. I'd ban it, and i'm against banning anything without a very good reason.

Eoin

MarkoC wrote: »

4A WOMAN as a passenger is even more danger, as they nonstop bitching in the car and dont let you concentrate on the traffic

BLA BLA BLA !

Less of the sexist comments please.

Damien360

Anan1 wrote: »

As an ex-smoker, i'd say that 99.99% of the time smoking while driving is less dangerous than using the phone. But that 0.01% of the time when things do go wrong can be very dangerous indeed. I'd ban it, and i'm against banning anything without a very good reason.

Just to label that point. I know a former work friend who crashed his car in to the central median on the naas to newbridge dual carriageway opposite the red house (when it was open) while trying to light a cigarette. He was a 40 ciggy a day guy and an alcoholic then. Had no drink in him at the time.

But, texting while driving should attract a huge fine and 6 points.

A bit off topic, but I believe that setting the fine to 3 times the cost of a decent bluetooth car kit and 6 points for handling a phone while driving would sharpen the mind on use of a mobile while driving. Texting should just be a ban for 6 months, no argument.

ardmacha

Setting fire to dried vegetable material in moving cars should be prohibited.

MarkoC

Eoin wrote: »

Less of the sexist comments please.

My god ...

replace the word woman with the word, person, hop you're you happy with that, my point stays the same, (dont know any man who can be as annoying as my missus for example HAHAHA, annoying passenger causes more trouble than a ciggie.

Please dont look for the problem wheres not

Cheers

Eoin

If you have a problem with the moderation then you can send me a PM. Don't bring the thread any more off topic. Your post was reported several times, it's not just me.

JerCotter7

Damien360 wrote: »

Just to label that point. I know a former work friend who crashed his car in to the central median on the naas to newbridge dual carriageway opposite the red house (when it was open) while trying to light a cigarette. He was a 40 ciggy a day guy and an alcoholic then. Had no drink in him at the time.

But, texting while driving should attract a huge fine and 6 points.

A bit off topic, but I believe that setting the fine to 3 times the cost of a decent bluetooth car kit and 6 points for handling a phone while driving would sharpen the mind on use of a mobile while driving. Texting should just be a ban for 6 months, no argument.

Why have a fine for texting cost 3 times the cost of a bluetooth car kit? A parrot isn't gonna stop someone texting in a car if they have their mind set on being an idiot.

Eoin

I don't think it's the handling of the phone that's really the problem - even if it's in a cradle with a microphone etc, you're still not concentrating properly while on a call.

Damien360

JerCotter7 wrote: »

Why have a fine for texting cost 3 times the cost of a bluetooth car kit? A parrot isn't gonna stop someone texting in a car if they have their mind set on being an idiot.

The rational is simple. I can use my phone in the car and attact a fine of 50 quid or get hit for a 450 quid fine. 6 points for each offence will mean getting caught twice and you are off the road. They will ring on the car kit instead of texting. There will always be a few idiots who refuse to change but it will take care of the majority. I drive 50000Km a year and see it all the time. The canal in Dublin is the worst. i have had to use the horn to straighten the fools up as they were veering towards me in sitting in traffic.

MarkoC

Drinking water, eating an apple, having a chat with passengers, having kids in the car, using a tissue with running nose, sneazing, smoking, scratching ur ear, waving to your friend etc

All these activities should be banned

I smoke for 2 reasons, like old indians did.

1. making peace
2. more important in my car - smoking bad souls away from me

This world went too far with some people with they bans and dumb ideas what to ban and to make world better place ..

Damien360

Eoin wrote: »

I don't think it's the handling of the phone that's really the problem - even if it's in a cradle with a microphone etc, you're still not concentrating properly while on a call.

True for lack of concentration when on a call no matter how the call is handled but you still have 2 hands on the wheel when on hands free. People are going to use their mobiles as they are now an intregral part of many lives but we have to stop people texting and sticking them up to their ear. Radios were once banned in cars for the same reasons once. Must be said you would look odd with a boombox stuck to your ear now !!

unkel

Anan1 wrote: »

As an ex-smoker, i'd say that 99.99% of the time smoking while driving is less dangerous than using the phone. But that 0.01% of the time when things do go wrong can be very dangerous indeed. I'd ban it, and i'm against banning anything without a very good reason.

And that tiny (= immaterial says the accountant in me) 0.01% of the time but more my gut feeling against straight banning is why I wouldn't ban it

Eoin

Oh yeah, I do agree that not fiddling around with the phone and not holding it up to your ear is safer - especially hands free kits with clever controls on the steering wheel. But I just think that the act of having a phone conversation itself is inherently very distracting.

The law only seems to say that the phone can't be handheld, so does that mean that you can still text away once it's in a cradle?

jaffa20

Ban smoking in your own car? It's a bit ott tbh. There are many things that can be distracting while driving but people have smoked for years and it's second nature for me. It doesn't affect my ability at all. I'd probably be more wound up stuck in traffic without a cigarette.

Make up in cars...now there is one...

Damien360

Eoin wrote: »

The law only seems to say that the phone can't be handheld, so does that mean that you can still text away once it's in a cradle?

Careless driving with 5 points deals with that one. Would include lack of observation.

unkel

Eoin wrote: »

But I just think that the act of having a phone conversation itself is inherently very distracting.

Got a nice Nokia bluetooth kit in the 520 so it's fully hands-free. Like yourself, I feel having a hands-free conversation is taking away from concentrating on driving. We are not alone. Can't find the link just now, but a study recently published showed that having a hands-free conversation on your mobile phone is (just a bit) worse than driving (just over) the (our generous) limit of alcohol consumption!!!

Eoin

I've heard that comparison made several times as well. I recently got a car kit as well (it was part of the mp3 connection to the stereo)

It has easy to reach buttons to take the call, and I think voice dialling and all that good stuff, but I just don't pay as much attention while on the phone - I find it completely different to talking to a passenger. They can normally tell when to shut up, or at least figure out why you might not be responding for a few seconds.

Damien360

It is all about getting used to the handsfree. When I am on site with a customer, I don't take many calls. As soon as I sit in the car, I could be on the phone to customers for at least an hour or more. I find myself drifting in and out of the conversation as and when my driving requires my attention. It is easier on a motorway. I tend to let the other person on the phone know I need a few seconds of concentration every so often for a situation on the road and they all seem to except this as normal behaviour. I am not 100% concentrating on the road but I am aware enough to know when I need to stop a conversation, just like you would with a passenger.

Mr.Boots

I hate seeing butts coming out the window if cars...realy hate it.
Its such a dirty habbit anyway...it just makes it worse with butts everywhere.
I remember reading an article in a magaizine about a biker who got a butt in his helmet from a car infront of him....cant remember exact details but as far as i remember he crashed.
I frequently flash/beep at cars infront of me who drop litter, cigarette butts are no different.

MarkoC

Mr.Boots wrote: »

I frequently flash/beep at cars infront of me who drop litter, cigarette butts are no different.

And what does it help ?
Do you know when you actually should use the horn ?


Only use a horn to:

• warn other road users of on-coming danger, or
• make them aware of your presence for safety reasons when reasonably necessary.

I personally hate when people using theyr horn for no reason like greeting theyr friends or playing a god (world fixers on the roads), when there is no danger.

This biker story, what about a bumble bees or wasps ?

Pkiernan

Its a $1000 fine in California.

You will see a lot of scorched fields in the summer off the highways due to discarded butts.

A highway patrol buddy of mine had a lit butt flicked onto his windscreen by someone who failed to see him. Driver got the full fine.

Due to our weather it is obviously not a fire hazard here, but quite obnoxious.

Mr.Boots

MarkoC wrote: »

And what does it help ?
Do you know when you actually should use the horn ?


Only use a horn to:

• warn other road users of on-coming danger, or
• make them aware of your presence for safety reasons when reasonably necessary.

I personally hate when people using theyr horn for no reason like greeting theyr friends or playing a god (world fixers on the roads), when there is no danger.

This biker story, what about a bumble bees or wasps ?

Get off your horse there....of course i know when too use the horn and lights.....i just like to remind people who litter that i care about the envioument i live in.
If we all had my attitude towords people who litter out of there cars then there would be less littering.
Let the litter bug know your watching what they are doing and you dont approve.
I had an old VW camper....we always flashed another oncoming VW camper if we saw one....tell me wheres the harm in that?? Better than flicking Ciggy Butts out the window.

colly10

slimjimmc wrote: »

It's the process of fumbling around for the packet, taking out the ciggy, watching (listening) for the lighter to pop up that's the main problem. You might be able to do it single-handed and without taking your eyes of the road much but it's still distracting your attention.

So is messing around with the radio while your driving, the idea of removing radios from cars is ridiculous though

MarkoC

Mr.Boots wrote: »

Get off your horse there....of course i know when too use the horn and lights.....i just like to remind people who litter that i care about the envioument i live in.
If we all had my attitude towords people who litter out of there cars then there would be less littering.
Let the litter bug know your watching what they are doing and you dont approve.
I had an old VW camper....we always flashed another oncoming VW camper if we saw one....tell me wheres the harm in that?? Better than flicking Ciggy Butts out the window.

Nothing to do a horse, just trying to think logically here.

I didnt mention using lights, many Irish people have a lot to learn anyway how to use them and when do not take it as abuse. Flashing lights while driving on second line, means in Europe than "Im faster, can you please give way", in Ireland its called tailgating and stupid flashing

Greeting wour friends or clubmembers by flashing lights makes really no harm, so please dont put words in my mouth i didnt say.

But stupid horning when its not necessary is something which isnt acceptable in Europe.

Can you explain me please, how you make sure the other driver got your message while you where flashing and horning like a lunatic behind him ?

Another thing, are you sure he got your message ? Or you CAN cause a dangerous situation by doing this ? Well, ill explain you, yes you can and you can harm yourself and your car by doing this ...

For example:
2 cars in front of you and not the first you see but 1 in front of him throw the sig but out of the window and you start acting like a lunatic with your horns and lights ... Isnt it unfair then ? I would press the brakes and HARD if i knew i didnt do anything wrong and driver like you is driving behind me
You never know how lunatic is the driver in front of you.

Next time grab a phone and call the gards, oh well, you have to stop doing it safe if you dont have a hands free fitted in your car

Mr.Boots

MarkoC wrote: »

Nothing to do a horse, just trying to think logically here.

I didnt mention using lights, many Irish people have a lot to learn anyway how to use them and when do not take it as abuse. Flashing lights while driving on second line, means in Europe than "Im faster, can you please give way", in Ireland its called tailgating and stupid flashing

Greeting wour friends or clubmembers by flashing lights makes really no harm, so please dont put words in my mouth i didnt say.

But stupid horning when its not necessary is something which isnt acceptable in Europe.

Can you explain me please, how you make sure the other driver got your message while you where flashing and horning like a lunatic behind him ?

Another thing, are you sure he got your message ? Or you CAN cause a dangerous situation by doing this ? Well, ill explain you, yes you can and you can harm yourself and your car by doing this ...

For example:
2 cars in front of you and not the first you see but 1 in front of him throw the sig but out of the window and you start acting like a lunatic with your horns and lights ... Isnt it unfair then ? I would press the brakes and HARD if i knew i didnt do anything wrong and driver like you is driving behind me
You never know how lunatic is the driver in front of you.

Next time grab a phone and call the gards, oh well, you have to stop doing it safe if you dont have a hands free fitted in your car

You make very little sense.

MarkoC

Mr.Boots wrote: »

You make very little sense.

Thank you, at least a little when you made no sense at all

brembo26

i dropped a ciggy out the car window in dublin before, got seen on cctv i presume and got fined €120, they sent it (the fine) in the post to galway. Fair enough to me not goin to argue cause i was in the wrong.

JerCotter7

MarkoC wrote: »

Nothing to do a horse, just trying to think logically here.

I didnt mention using lights, many Irish people have a lot to learn anyway how to use them and when do not take it as abuse. Flashing lights while driving on second line, means in Europe than "Im faster, can you please give way", in Ireland its called tailgating and stupid flashing

Greeting wour friends or clubmembers by flashing lights makes really no harm, so please dont put words in my mouth i didnt say.

But stupid horning when its not necessary is something which isnt acceptable in Europe.

Can you explain me please, how you make sure the other driver got your message while you where flashing and horning like a lunatic behind him ?

Another thing, are you sure he got your message ? Or you CAN cause a dangerous situation by doing this ? Well, ill explain you, yes you can and you can harm yourself and your car by doing this ...

For example:
2 cars in front of you and not the first you see but 1 in front of him throw the sig but out of the window and you start acting like a lunatic with your horns and lights ... Isnt it unfair then ? I would press the brakes and HARD if i knew i didnt do anything wrong and driver like you is driving behind me
You never know how lunatic is the driver in front of you.

Next time grab a phone and call the gards, oh well, you have to stop doing it safe if you dont have a hands free fitted in your car

Is english your first language? Just curious.

Also just because something is done in Europe doesn't mean we have to be sheep and do the same thing.

And your whole attitude of jamming on the brakes is idiotic. I would probably punch you through the window if you stopped..

MarkoC

JerCotter7 wrote: »

Is english your first language? Just curious.

Also just because something is done in Europe doesn't mean we have to be sheep and do the same thing.

And your whole attitude of jamming on the brakes is idiotic. I would probably punch you through the window if you stopped..

Wait a second now ...
1. no english isnt my first language
2. didnt get the sheep part now, every person who droven in Europe would agree with me here about flashing and driving habits, Ireland is the worse so far ive been and i drove in nearly 20 different countries.
3. How i should take this nonsense ?
First i did nothing, then some muppet flashing and horning behind me, i brake hard to ged rid of this idiot and in next traffic lights he comes and punches me through the window ?
I would probably came out of the car with trolly jack bar and hit you back and really hard So would forget forever about flashing and horning behind me for no reason and punching and breaking my car window !

brembo26

good man yourself

JerCotter7

MarkoC wrote: »

Wait a second now ...
1. no english isnt my first language
2. didnt get the sheep part now, every person who droven in Europe would agree with me here about flashing and driving habits, Ireland is the worse so far ive been and i drove in nearly 20 different countries.
3. How i should take this nonsense ?
First i did nothing, then some muppet flashing and horning behind me, i brake hard to ged rid of this idiot and in next traffic lights he comes and punches me through the window ?
I would probably came out of the car with trolly jack bar and hit you back and really hard So would forget forever about flashing and horning behind me for no reason and punching and breaking my car window !

I meant in general. Everyone always says the rest of Europe does something so why don't Ireland do it. Which is a flawed argument because of culture differences.

You could just indicate in and let them passed since you were the one that said flashing in Europe means "I'm faster, let me passed" That's how I would take it. Then if they pull in behind you pull out your bar and go to town And I meant more along the line of tapping on the window so you open it than breaking the window :eek:

Mr.Boots

Hmmmm your some guy MarkoC.
Maybe forget about us silly irish with our little habbits and focus on your own frightening habbits.

Jamming on brakes and attacking someone with a "trolly jack bar" isnt realy accepable here.
Making your feelings known to a litterbug in a calm manner by flashing lights is accetable.

I feel my point is lost on you MarkoC.

MarkoC

Mr.Boots wrote: »

Hmmmm your some guy MarkoC.
Maybe forget about us silly irish with our little habbits and focus on your own frightening habbits.

Jamming on brakes and attacking someone with a "trolly jack bar" isnt realy accepable here.
Making your feelings known to a litterbug in a calm manner by flashing lights is accetable.

I feel my point is lost on you MarkoC.

Its sad that you took couple words out of the whole text and jumping on me ... Is that part of your culture ? I doubt ... So leave this national story out please
Please try to read the whole text i wrote.
It all started about your flashing and horning habbits which is not acceptable for me if you do that for no reason and i gave you an example story which you did avoid.
Violancnce causes only more violance ! And this horning flashing story is road violence. No needs for horning .
BTW i just asked from my missus, she doesnt smoke anyway, what she would think if someone like you acts behind her car after throwing out a ciggi butt.
She replied that she would have no clue what the driver behind her is all about ... Now make a poll and new thread about it and let people decide are you wrong with your acting or not and does it work or not, thats all i tried to tell you.

And i bet most local smokers if they find out why you flashed and horned will show you gladly theyr middle finger ... THTAS the culture

Cheers

Cartel Mike

Horning= best verb ever

10/10

Mr.Boots

MarkoC wrote: »

Its sad that you took couple words out of the whole text and jumping on me ... Is that part of your culture ? I doubt ... So leave this national story out please
Please try to read the whole text i wrote.
It all started about your flashing and horning habbits which is not acceptable for me if you do that for no reason and i gave you an example story which you did avoid.
Violancnce causes only more violance ! And this horning flashing story is road violence. No needs for horning .
BTW i just asked from my missus, she doesnt smoke anyway, what she would think if someone like you acts behind her car after throwing out a ciggi butt.
She replied that she would have no clue what the driver behind her is all about ... Now make a poll and new thread about it and let people decide are you wrong with your acting or not and does it work or not, thats all i tried to tell you.

And i bet most local smokers if they find out why you flashed and horned will show you gladly theyr middle finger ... THTAS the culture

Cheers

Horning

I think most people with a concience would know what it means.
Why dont you go and make a poll......

Ps, if you dont smoke or litter out the window of you car..then you have nothing to worry about....i wont be "Horning " you

pburns

Personally I think hands free should be integrated into all cars. Maybe over time it should be introduced as a rule for all new car sales. It really annoyed me during the snow meeting people driving on the ice holding a phone.

And I'm not usually one for rules. Smoking in cars fine (even though I hate the habit).

Also, politicians lowering the drink drive limit so the can be seen to be doing something is bull****. Having one pint in your system MAY reduce reaction time marginally under scientific experiment conditions but in the real world having a cold or a headache is probably more of a danger. Of course there are a lot of PC militia around here who disagree...

MarkoC

Mr.Boots wrote: »

I think most people with a concience would know what it means.
Why dont you go and make a poll......

Thats your problem here, you think too much, make a poll and let other people to think and make it clear for you .
I know its sick anyway what you doing, but if you make a poll, you will find out what majority of people here think about your hobby

Mr.Boots

pburns wrote: »

Personally I think hands free should be integrated into all cars. Maybe over time it should be introduced as a rule for all new car sales. It really annoyed me during the snow meeting people driving on the ice holding a phone.

And I'm not usually one for rules. Smoking in cars fine (even though I hate the habit).

Also, politicians lowering the drink drive limit so the can be seen to be doing something is bull****. Having one pint in your system MAY reduce reaction time marginally under scientific experiment conditions but in the real world having a cold or a headache is probably more of a danger. Of course there are a lot of PC militia around here who disagree...

Agree with you dude,
one thing i cant understand is seeing a 100k car with the driver on the phone...handfree only cost 150euro.
Delivery vans also....no handsfree....surley its a no brainer theses days.

JerCotter7

Mr.Boots wrote: »

Agree with you dude,
one thing i cant understand is seeing a 100k car with the driver on the phone...handfree only cost 150euro.
Delivery vans also....no handsfree....surley its a no brainer theses days.

Or idiots with it in their cars that can't sync it with their phone.