Paying VRT in England for Irish Reg Car/Van

pipelaser · 13-01-2011 12:39pm #1

Hi Guys,
Im moving over to London to work. Planning on bringing a ford focus Van with me.
Was already talking to somebody suposedly in the know, and he said I dont have to pay any VRT or whatever they may call it over there.

Is this true? Was planning on trying to get away with it for as long as possible anyway.

Whats the situation with Tax over there aswell?

Am i better off being up front about it?

Any advice welcome:D

keithclancy · 13-01-2011 12:42pm

pipelaser wrote: »

Hi Guys,
Im moving over to London to work. Planning on bringing a ford focus Van with me.
Was already talking to somebody suposedly in the know, and he said I dont have to pay any VRT or whatever they may call it over there.

Is this true? Was planning on trying to get away with it for as long as possible anyway.

Whats the situation with Tax over there aswell?

Am i better off being up front about it?

Any advice welcome:D

There is no VRT in the UK, Its an Irish, Dutch, Finnish and theres one other place I think it exists in the EU.

You just need an MOT and pay a nominal fee for the registration

si_guru · 13-01-2011 12:52pm

The Road tax is lower in the UK - so I would resgister the car straight off. Remember to swap your insurance, which is probably cheaper there too!

Lemming · 13-01-2011 1:17pm

si_guru wrote: »

The Road tax is lower in the UK - so I would resgister the car straight off. Remember to swap your insurance, which is probably cheaper there too!

You'll need to register the van with the DVLA; so you'll need to go to a garage and prove the vehicle ticks all the boxes for the UK (so probably the only thing you'll need is a speedometre reading in both KM and MPH).

Beyond that, insurance is a bit cheaper, but not like you'll make a killing. Road tax however .... I pay £36 a year (2008 Ford Focus TDCi) :pac:

james098 · 13-01-2011 1:23pm

I left my celica there for my brother to use he gonna change it over too just noticed the speedo thing my celica only in km as its jap import how ya change dat ?

Propellerhead · 13-01-2011 1:26pm

pipelaser wrote: »

Hi Guys,
Im moving over to London to work. Planning on bringing a ford focus Van with me.
Was already talking to somebody suposedly in the know, and he said I dont have to pay any VRT or whatever they may call it over there.

Is this true? Was planning on trying to get away with it for as long as possible anyway.

Whats the situation with Tax over there aswell?

Am i better off being up front about it?

Any advice welcome:D

Yes. Reregister with the DVLA, get your MOT done and it is a relatively cheap thing to do. The UK is not a rip-off hole in this respect.

ARGINITE · 13-01-2011 1:53pm

It's not as straight forward as people make it out to be.

First of you need to get it insured on the VIN number, I did this using Adrian Flux. It's expensive to say the least.

Even after getting the MOT you need to get it imported with the DVLA, for this you will also need a cert of conformity from the manufacturer and to fill in the three or four forums that you get from the DVLA. Then send them away with proof of address, identity and your log book and mot cert.

Just encase you are unaware of this, once you become a UK resident you are no longer allowed to drive a foreign registered car until it is registered in the UK.

Also insurance is not as cheap as people tell you, you will be insuring an imported car so it will be more expensive than an original UK car.

si_guru · 13-01-2011 2:01pm

ARGINITE wrote: »

It's not as straight forward as people make it out to be.

First of you need to get it insured on the VIN number, I did this using Adrian Flux. It's expensive to say the least.

Even after getting the MOT you need to get it imported with the DVLA, for this you will also need a cert of conformity from the manufacturer and to fill in the three or four forums that you get from the DVLA. Then send them away with proof of address, identity and your log book and mot cert.

Just encase you are unaware of this, once you become a UK resident you are no longer allowed to drive a foreign registered car until it is registered in the UK.

Also insurance is not as cheap as people tell you, you will be insuring an imported car so it will be more expensive than an original UK car.

He can use his irish insurance until it is registered. You don't need DVLA registration to get an MOT. MOT can be done to the chassis number.

Once MOT'd you can register it - very unlikely to need SVA.

Resdiency is pretty fluid with the UK - espec if you are Irish. As long as you have an address with a post code everybody will deal with you!

corktina · 13-01-2011 2:05pm

make sure you get it all sorted as quick as poss as they are quite keen to impound wrong uns over there...

ARGINITE · 13-01-2011 2:06pm

si_guru wrote: »

You don't need DVLA registration to get an MOT. MOT can be done to the chassis number.

Yes your correct in that sense but you need to register with the DVLA to get a reg number.

si_guru wrote: »

Once MOT'd you can register it - very unlikely to need SVA.

No you need to register with the DVLA first who require a cert of conformity and MOT. The DVLA are the one's to will give you your registration number.

si_guru wrote: »

Resdiency is pretty fluid with the UK - espec if you are Irish. As long as you have an address with a post code everybody will deal with you!

Including the police.

I went through the process six months ago I know what's required.

keithclancy · 13-01-2011 2:07pm

ARGINITE wrote: »

It's not as straight forward as people make it out to be.

First of you need to get it insured on the VIN number, I did this using Adrian Flux. It's expensive to say the least.

Even after getting the MOT you need to get it imported with the DVLA, for this you will also need a cert of conformity from the manufacturer and to fill in the three or four forums that you get from the DVLA. Then send them away with proof of address, identity and your log book and mot cert.

Just encase you are unaware of this, once you become a UK resident you are no longer allowed to drive a foreign registered car until it is registered in the UK.

Also insurance is not as cheap as people tell you, you will be insuring an imported car so it will be more expensive than an original UK car.

That whole 'residency' thing in the UK is pretty loose. Its not like other European countries where you can't do jack sh*t until your registered with the City Hall.

ARGINITE · 13-01-2011 2:10pm

That whole 'residency' thing in the UK is pretty loose.

Yes, but the police are far from "loose" when it comes to foreign registered vehicles.

keithclancy · 13-01-2011 2:37pm

ARGINITE wrote: »

Yes, but the police are far from "loose" when it comes to foreign registered vehicles.

Well they are really.
Your only really in trouble if you do something wrong, its 158 days (6 months before your deemed resident anyway) so you can drive for those 6 months.

Its perfectly legal to drive your foreign registered car indefinitely if you work for a company in another country.

ARGINITE · 13-01-2011 2:50pm

Your only really in trouble if you do something wrong, its 158 days (6 months before your deemed resident anyway) so you can drive for those 6 months.

Its perfectly legal to drive your foreign registered car indefinitely if you work for a company in another country.

The DVLA website says something completely different.

When a vehicle is imported for use in Great Britain (GB), it must be registered and taxed with the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA). This must be done as soon as possible as the vehicle can’t be used or kept on public roads.

So who is right keithclancy or the DVLA?

keithclancy · 13-01-2011 3:08pm

ARGINITE wrote: »

The DVLA website says something completely different.

So who is right keithclancy or the DVLA?

Me .. That page is for a Resident importing a foreign vehicle

This page is for a non-resident bringing their car to the UK

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/ImportingAndExportingAVehicle/DG_10014623

European Union vehicles

EU vehicles brought into the UK can be used for six months in any 12-month period. You do not need to register the vehicle in the UK as long as you can show that the vehicle complies with the registration and tax requirements of its home country. It’s the responsibility of the driver to prove how long the vehicle has been in the country. Producing ferry tickets can do this.

If the keeper of the vehicle becomes resident in the UK, the vehicle must be immediately registered and taxed in the UK.

UK residents are not allowed to use a foreign registered vehicle on UK roads. The exception is when a UK resident:

* is employed or self-employed in another EU member state
* uses a EU registered company car temporarily in the UK for business purposes

Certain vehicles will be required to display a temporary 'Q' plate. Temporary visitor status isn't appropriate to these vehicles.

ARGINITE · 13-01-2011 3:14pm

pipelaser wrote: »

Hi Guys,
Im moving over to London to work. Planning on bringing a ford focus Van with me.

is employed or self-employed in another EU member state

Null point!

He is moving to the UK to work here and hence will become a UK resident.

If the keeper of the vehicle becomes resident in the UK, the vehicle must be immediately registered and taxed in the UK.

Hence the first link is correct.

keithclancy · 13-01-2011 3:17pm

ARGINITE wrote: »

Null point!

He is moving to the UK to work here and hence will become a UK resident.

Hence the first link is correct.

Exactly.. He's not a resident until he's there 158 days (6 months)

The Working for a foreign employer part has nothing to do with it, I merely pointed that out because its the only time you can drive indefinitely on foreign plates.

That would be thick, what if he decided after 2 weeks he wanted to go home.

ARGINITE · 13-01-2011 3:23pm

Exactly.. He's not a resident until he's there 158 days.

Yes then he becomes a tax resident.

13-01-2011 4:02pm

ARGINITE wrote: »

Null point!

He is moving to the UK to work here and hence will become a UK resident.

Hence the first link is correct.

You are entitled to drive the car for 6 months in the UK without registering the same as you can drive a car in Ireland without registering it for 6 months if you move here. It would be stupid to force people to register cars straight away, they may not get work and have to leave the country, they may decide to move home etc etc therefore you have the 6 month period before having to register it.

Paying VRT in England for Irish Reg Car/Van

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