"clean and neat car"....emm ok lol

giant_midget

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1801629

nice bonnet

padma

gosh, is that the Hindu sign for peace on the bonnet?

largepants

Is that a swastika?

Monty Burnz

Clean and neat car. Diesel, FSH, leather trim, xenon, swastika, alloys, first to see will buy. No timewasters or Jews.

:pac:

Cmar-Ireland

Nazi staff car?

BlackWizard

Maybe someone could do a deal. Buy the car at a discount and move in with this Mahesh person.

http://www.adverts.ie/property-sharing/newberry-place-edenderry/360115

andyseadog

BlackWizard wrote: »

Maybe someone could do a deal. Buy the car at a discount and move in with this Mahesh person.

http://www.adverts.ie/property-sharing/newberry-place-edenderry/360115

how did you spot that

BlackWizard

Ah I have my ways

It's not a swastica by the way. It's a hindu thing and I'm guessing it's related to puja.

I think it's really nice and interesting to see a culture like that on a car advertising site

BlackWizard

BlackWizard wrote: »

Ah I have my ways

lol

http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=0863883927&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=


You should be a detective :pac:

andyseadog

RoverJames wrote: »

lol

http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=0863883927&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=


You should be a detective :pac:

taken all the magic, mystery and vudu right out of that lol

BlackWizard

Google has it's magic ways too

It's a good habbit to google phone numbers. Can learn alot from the results.

Matt Simis

BlackWizard wrote: »

It's not a swastica by the way. It's a hindu thing and I'm guessing it's related to puja.

As it appeared to be scraped in rust, I assume vandalism originally, but maybe you are correct.
Could the seller be genuinely this clueless on the symbols primary meaning in here in Europe? Not only the entire time he owned and driven the [German] car, but also when it comes to sell it? :eek:

BlackWizard

oh jesus yeah it's on a german car lol

Well the red dots inbetween all the arms and the fact he put it on something he is selling (offering) just reminded me of a hindu tradition. His name sounds like it's from that region too.

I might give the chap a ring at lunch.

Anan1

Matt Simis wrote: »

Could the seller be genuinely this clueless on the symbols primary meaning in here in Europe? Not only the entire time he owned and driven the [German] car, but also when it comes to sell it? :eek:

Could people here be genuinely this clueless on the symbols other meaning? Given that we had a chimney with a large swastika on it (the Swastika Laundry) in the middle of Dublin up until the mid 80s, I think not.;)

Edit: Kind of reminds one of this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/901723.stm

Ronan|Raven

Nazi Swastika is turned clockwise. His looks fine

Matt Simis

Anan1 wrote: »

Could people here be genuinely this clueless on the symbols other meaning? Given that we had a chimney with a large swastika on it (the Swastika Laundry) in the middle of Dublin up until the mid 80s, I think not.;)

Edit: Kind of reminds one of this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/901723.stm

Is that a serious question!? Of course the common folk are clueless to the Hindu originals of that symbol, why would they possibly know what that meant. Go ask you mother, sister or uncle what "this symbol means" and which is their first or only answer? Im not saying its not somewhere in the realm of their mind, but its clearly not the primary usage in Europe.

There is also the "style" out there that features the Swastika on German cars, this is what this definitely looks like at first. This isnt India, in this region of the world, the the symbol means something different. Just like if I was in Pakistan I would consciously avoid showing my Palms as I dont just assume everyone in Pakistan is somehow aware of my customs and "do it anyway".

PS: I admit Im apparently not old enough (or Dublish enough) to remember the "Swastika Laundry", but according to this the chimney you mention was removed in the 60s, not 80s.

Anan1

Matt Simis wrote: »

Is that a serious question!? Of course the common folk are clueless to the Hindu originals of that symbol, why would they possibly know what that meant. Go ask you mother, sister or uncle what "this symbol means" and which is their first or only answer? Im not saying its not somewhere in the realm of their mind, but its clearly not the primary usage in Europe.

I'm not being smart here, but I think most halfway educated Irish people are well aware that the swastika was a Hindu religious symbol long before the Nazis appropriated it. I further think that it's obvious from looking at the bonnet of the car that it's the former and not the latter. Finally, I find the idea that Hindus should have to be careful about using their symbol because of the actions of European fascists quite laughable. If people really are as ill-informed as you claim, then let them learn.:)

Matt Simis

Anan1 wrote: »

I'm not being smart here, but I think most halfway educated Irish people are well aware that the swastika was a Hindu religious symbol long before the Nazis appropriated it. I further think that it's obvious from looking at the bonnet of the car that it's the former and not the latter. Finally, I find the idea that Hindus should have to be careful about using their symbol because of the actions of European fascists quite laughable. If people really are as ill-informed as you claim, then let them learn.:)

Well you said most people, not most educated people.
Id love to live in your Ireland. My Ireland seems to be fully of parochial half-wits and I assure you they are not aware of far-Eastern religious history or iconography.

Anan1

Matt Simis wrote: »

Well you said most people, not most educated people.
Id love to live in your Ireland. My Ireland seems to be fully of parochial half-wits and I assure you they are not aware of far-Eastern religious history or iconography.

Point taken. But do you really think that either the Nazis or a bunch of stupid Irish people should be allowed to prevent some Indian guy from using his religious symbol? BTW, did you read the link in my other post? Speaks volumes.;) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/901723.stm

Matt Simis

Anan1 wrote: »

Point taken. But do you really think that either the Nazis or a bunch of stupid Irish people should be allowed to prevent some Indian guy from using his religious symbol?

Well, we are moving from a Motors thread into a Humanties or something now!
As I said, When in Rome. I respect the customs, history and believes of other cultures when I visit them, and I expect those that visit my country to do the same. So yes, I dont think its appropriate to put a Swastika on a car, which is open to gross misinterpretation, in Europe no matter what the owner considers it. It would be flat out illegal in Germany (or at the very least get daily questioning) anyhow.

BTW, did you read the link in my other post? Speaks volumes.;) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/901723.stm

A hospital paediatrician has hit out at vandals who forced her to flee her home after apparently taking her job title to mean she was a paedophile.

The whole article is based on this assumption.
I did read it but the impression I got was she was the victim of regular vandalism as opposed a genuine misunderstanding and was playing it up for press coverage. Even vandals can appreciate a play on words, she is clearly a victim, but perhaps not of something as ignorant or sinister as is being made out.

If anything, doesnt the article prove my point on misinterpretations!?

Anan1

Matt Simis wrote: »

Well, we are moving from a Motors thread into a Humanties or something now!

Sometimes a change is as good as a rest

Matt Simis wrote: »

As I said, When in Rome. I respect the customs, history and believes of other cultures when I visit them, and I expect those that visit my country to do the same. So yes, I dont think its appropriate to put a Swastika on a car, which is open to gross misinterpretation, in Europe no matter what the owner considers it.

You're missing the point here. This is not a Nazi symbol, it has nothing to do with Nazism and predates it by thousands of years. It's clearly not the same as a Nazi swastika, and anyone stupid enough to confuse it with one really needs to take responsibility for their own education. You can't ban usage of an ancient symbol across a whole continent so as not to offend the sensibilities of a few simpletons!

Matt Simis wrote: »

It would be flat out illegal in Germany (or at the very least get daily questioning) anyhow.

I think the Germans of all people would be better educated than to confuse a Hindu symbol with a Nazi one.;)

Gregor Samsa

Nothing to do with cars, but this guy has dedicated his life (and most of his skin) to rehabilitating the swastika as a sacred symbol as opposed to a Nazi logo.



http://www.manwoman.net/

I personally doubt most people looking at that Done Deal ad will think anything other than "Nazi" when they see the symbol. Which is, of course, a great pity.

Matt Simis

Anan1 wrote: »

You're missing the point here. This is not a Nazi symbol, it has nothing to do with Nazism and predates it by thousands of years. It's clearly not the same as a Nazi swastika, and anyone stupid enough to confuse it with one really needs to take responsibility for their own education.

I get your point and its admirable, but my own point is one of perception. It looks like a Nazi symbol.. on a german car.. for sale.
The majority of people will assume it is. He put it on the nose of the car too, usually Hindu Swastikas are inside the car or maybe the rear, this in itself is odd.

Anyone that confuses it (and I think that might be most people) cannot take responsibility for their education as they will not be aware of their mistake. I also think cultural sensitivity is a two way street, the symbol is 99% the same as another that would cause deep offence to many. There is no need to have it emblazoned on the outside of the car. Im my opinion, the owner who did this out of their own religious believes (if thats the case) demonstrates lack of inteligence and empathy, it could be placed anywhere on the car thats not so overt. The right for anyone to do as they please because of their own specific ancient beliefs is what I question.

Anan1 wrote: »

You can't ban usage of an ancient symbol across a whole continent so as not to offend the sensibilities of a few simpletons!

Why not? This is how the other side of the world works. Iran just banned Valentines Day. Obviously not a revered religious holiday, but countries can and do ban whatever they want. It just seems to be in the Western world be beat ourselves up over it, the rest of planet does what they think is best for their populace, simpletons or not.

Anan1

Matt Simis wrote: »

I get your point and its admirable, but my own point is one of perception. It looks like a Nazi symbol.. on a german car.. for sale.
The majority of people will assume it is. He put it on the nose of the car too, usually Hindu Swastikas are inside the car or maybe the rear, this in itself is odd.

Anyone that confuses it (and I think that might be most people) cannot take responsibility for their education as they will not be aware of their mistake. I also think cultural sensitivity is a two way street, the symbol is 99% the same as another that would cause deep offence to many. There is no need to have it emblazoned on the outside of the car. Im my opinion, the owner who did this out of their own religious believes (if thats the case) demonstrates lack of inteligence and empathy, it could be placed anywhere on the car thats not so overt. The right for anyone to do as they please because of their own specific ancient beliefs is what I question.

This seems to be coming down to our differing perceptions of how easy it is to confuse the swastika on the car with a Nazi swastika. I think the orientation and the dots make it hard to confuse the two, you seem to disagree. There is also the point that use of the Hindu swastika educates people and helps to deny the Nazis ownership of a symbol that was around a long time before they were.

Matt Simis wrote: »

Why not? This is how the other side of the world works. Iran just banned Valentines Day. Obviously not a revered religious holiday, but countries can and do ban whatever they want. It just seems to be in the Western world be beat ourselves up over it, the rest of planet does what they think is best for their populace, simpletons or not.

Not on my secular democratic watch.;)

Matt Simis

Anan1 wrote: »

This seems to be coming down to our differing perceptions of how easy it is to confuse the swastika on the car with a Nazi swastika. I think the orientation and the dots make it hard to confuse the two, you seem to disagree. There is also the point that use of the Hindu swastika educates people and helps to deny the Nazis ownership of a symbol that was around a long time before they were.

Yeah basically, obviously I dont care what relgious "stuff" people feel they car will benefit from, but I just think this one causes unnecessary confusion. I could be selling my countrymen short and they all know about the Hindu swastika, but I genuinely dont think so.

stevenmu

It seems a bit silly to embed a religious symbol so prominently in the exterior of the car (is it carved into the paint?), regardless of it's similarity to another symbol. It's seriously reducing the number of people who'd be willing to buy it, reducing it's potential sale value. Even a christian crucifix would do the same.

Mint Sauce

Well it is clean.

Anan1

stevenmu wrote: »

It seems a bit silly to embed a religious symbol so prominently in the exterior of the car (is it carved into the paint?), regardless of it's similarity to another symbol. It's seriously reducing the number of people who'd be willing to buy it, reducing it's potential sale value. Even a christian crucifix would do the same.

It's definitely very stupid to have it in the pics! Looks as though it might be water-based to me, I think it's running down onto the bumper? A bit OT, but i'd bet money that that's not a one owner car.

galwaytt

..it's not the first time it's been on a car - and I'm not including any Nazi inferences -

Here's one I took pic's of - at a car show in Ireland, btw........in 2006 :