low car tax going?

darby1

Someone said to me that they heard that the low emissions car tax isnt going to last long and that it will be going up in the budget

that the low car tax will go soon

did anyone else hear anything like that?

mickdw

Well they had their chance in the last budget & strangely didnt touch it.

Having said that, it was never the idea to have best selling executive cars with tax of only 156 euro so Id say there will be changes soewhere aong the line but I feel it cannot be that too drastic.

Padraig Mor

They have indicated major changes in car tax to come in 2012.

rebel.ranter

Anybody got any links to info on this? Thinking of buying something soon & would ideally like to know if the old cc top rate is in for a change.

Cionád

Padraig Mor wrote: »

They have indicated major changes in car tax to come in 2012.

I heard the same, but sure Fianna Fail wont be around to implement them.

If anything I reckon the new government will shift the bands downwards, and also up the rates by a percentage... something like Band A being 120 euro, but for co2 below 100g, Band B being 190 euro, 100-120g/co2, Band C being 360 euro, 120-140g/co2 etc...

darby1

That's great guys

thanks for the info. on that. good to know others had heard something similar.

Your suggestion Cionad seems likely as to what they'll do as, as mick dw said it was never designed so to allow executive cars only pay €156 tax

L1011

I wouldn't be surprised if we adopted the UK's CO2 bands - they use the same lettering but tighter, lower bands.

Mr Benevolent

MYOB wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised if we adopted the UK's CO2 bands - they use the same lettering but tighter, lower bands.

I'd be delighted if we did - they don't tax V8's out of the friggin' stratosphere.

Absurdum

Confab wrote: »

I'd be delighted if we did - they don't tax V8's out of the friggin' stratosphere.

bands, not rates

MarkoC

rebel.ranter wrote: »

Anybody got any links to info on this?

Dont you ask too much here ?

I thin the OP has fairly valid point here.

All i miss here is mass psyhosis, this tax is far over the limits ... But we all keep paying it till we are acting like sheep. (nothing personal here, i meant WE, where i am included)
The book of Eli isnt far in all this shait we living.

Just count how much we are paying taxes ... its about 80% of your incomes .. phuck that ...

vectra

That will only get the manufacturers to put their thinking caps on again and make their cars more efficient

Eric Cartman

vectra wrote: »

That will only get the manufacturers to put their thinking caps on again and make their cars more efficient

considering how much power they can pump out of a 1.4 4 pot , id love to see some of that thinking applied to a v12 , would be some engine

vectra

Eric Cartman wrote: »

considering how much power they can pump out of a 1.4 4 pot , id love to see some of that thinking applied to a v12 , would be some engine

True
We are expecting 600+ BHP out of 1.6 4pots in 2013

Max Power1

Confab wrote: »

I'd be delighted if we did - they don't tax V8's out of the friggin' stratosphere.

They have more tax on petrol and less on motor tax.

However, it would make v8 (and other over 3.0L engined cars) a lot more affordable to run. Isnt the highest rate of motor tax in the UK a few hundred, compared to €1566/€2100 here.

Padraig Mor

My bad, it's actually 2013 they're planning to change the tax system:

During the [govt Four Year] Plan the current CO2 bands and rates structures will be examined in the light of the overall reductions in CO2 emission levels being made by car manufacturers and the standards set internationally with a view to adjusting the bands in line with technological advances on 1 January 2013.

cantdecide

Confab wrote: »

I'd be delighted if we did - they don't tax V8's out of the friggin' stratosphere.

Why do you need a V8, comrade? The Trabant is car enough for the rest of us.

Seth Brundle

Padraig Mor wrote: »

My bad, it's actually 2013 they're planning to change the tax system:

During the [govt Four Year] Plan the current CO2 bands and rates structures will be examined in the light of the overall reductions in CO2 emission levels being made by car manufacturers and the standards set internationally with a view to adjusting the bands in line with technological advances on 1 January 2013.

Translated: we had thought that we would make enough money from this new motor tax system but we're really poor now what with the IMF and all on our backs so everyone get ready to have to pay more to drive in this poxy little country!
Oh and don't expect us to maintain the roads or anything, we're broke!

stevenmu

I'd imagine changing the bands would be a bit of a logistical nightmare, so I don't think they'll bother when they can just double the rates instead. I'm just praying the leave pre-08 alone.

si_guru

stevenmu wrote: »

I'd imagine changing the bands would be a bit of a logistical nightmare, so I don't think they'll bother when they can just double the rates instead. I'm just praying the leave pre-08 alone.

I'd say pre-08 will be left alone as those cars will (by then) account for little revenue and are not banded at all.

I would imagine more granularity of lower bands as more cars fall in sub 120 group.

Don't forget the Co2 also affects VRT!! (the price of these cars) so it's doesn't matter if an exec ccar id band A if the RRP is €50K - more tax is taken anyway.

Eric Cartman

vectra wrote: »

True
We are expecting 600+ BHP out of 1.6 4pots in 2013

no matter how good a 4pot gets its still no v8/10/12 , if they can squeeze 400bhp out of a 4pot i expect 1200bhp out of a loverly v12 , no matter how powerful 4 cyl engines get , a v12/ w12 will always be king in my book

Mr Benevolent

cantdecide wrote: »

Why do you need a V8, comrade? The Trabant is car enough for the rest of us.

I don't need a V8, I need a V12, but I'll compromise for the sake of our glorious leader.

-Corkie-

Whats the point in getting a V6 when a V12 is a small bit extra on tax..

waxon-waxoff

Its been said before here and ill say it again. The only fair way is to get rid of motor tax and instead add a new fuel tax to petrol and diesel prices. That way the more you drive the more you pay, what could be fairer than that? People driving 20k a year in a €40k Audi or BMW can get away with paying €156 a year whereas the average joe is paying €500-600 for a ten yr old banger that he only uses at the weekend.

Seth Brundle

waxon-waxoff wrote: »

Its been said before here and ill say it again. The only fair way is to get rid of motor tax and instead add a new fuel tax to petrol and diesel prices. That way the more you drive the more you pay, what could be fairer than that? People driving 20k a year in a €40k Audi or BMW can get away with paying €156 a year whereas the average joe is paying €500-600 for a ten yr old banger that he only uses at the weekend.

The problem with that is that now our fuel prices aren't far off those for countries where there is little or no motor tax.
http://www.aaireland.ie/AA/Motoring-advice/Petrol-Prices.aspx

si_guru

waxon-waxoff wrote: »

Its been said before here and ill say it again. The only fair way is to get rid of motor tax and instead add a new fuel tax to petrol and diesel prices. That way the more you drive the more you pay, what could be fairer than that? People driving 20k a year in a €40k Audi or BMW can get away with paying €156 a year whereas the average joe is paying €500-600 for a ten yr old banger that he only uses at the weekend.

Apart from the €5000-8000 VRT the Audi or BMW guy paid... Plus maybe even more in VAT!

Voodoomelon

si_guru wrote: »

I'd say pre-08 will be left alone as those cars will (by then) account for little revenue and are not banded at all.

Eh, how? Thats like saying 2006 and earlier cars account for virtually no revenue right now.

I'm going to hazard a guess that close to 50% of revenue comes from these cars, if not more considering it is people in these bands that are being raped and Mr 2011 pays a measy €156 for being "green" and scrapping his perfectly good motor.

si_guru

Voodoomelon wrote: »

Eh, how? Thats like saying 2006 and earlier cars account for virtually no revenue right now.

I'm going to hazard a guess that close to 50% of revenue comes from these cars, if not more considering it is people in these bands that are being raped and Mr 2011 pays a measy €156 for being "green" and scrapping his perfectly good motor.

I think the attraction to move to lower rate cars will push people to post 08 cars faster, quickly disguarding their pre-08 1.8 litre (or whatever) upwards cars and jeeps.

I looked around my village today... average place.. not many pre 05 cars!

However, I would be interested to find out what the real "age stats" for cars are like if anyone has it.

I'd say most 7-8 year old cars get scrapped before scrappage (10 years) as they become uneconomical to repair... who puts a 200 quid alternator on a 200 quid car, that prob has other issues too?

Voodoomelon

I would certainly hope that the entire system is reformed, ie, make everything CO2 based as there is little chance of a fuel based system unless the UK does it first.

The current pre 08 cc-based system is ludicrously outdated.

I think there are stats available somewhere for the revenue generated for different aged cars.

waxon-waxoff

If the tax system for pre 08 was on some sort of sliding scale depending on the cars age that would help if they didnt review the whole system. It pissed me off paying €600 for my last car, 11 years old, when i only did 4k in the year. Its disappointing no TD not even in opposition ever questioned the fairness of the current system. They are going to have to increase post 08 rates as the motor tax income is droping as more low emissions cars are sold

Stealthirl

i think they should make a new tax brackit for cars 20 years+.there cant be that meney left.
clasic car tax is €44 euro when a car is 30 years old and pre 79 cars dont need a NCT
my 93 car is €932 to tax for a year and will have to do a yearly NCT at the same price as a 2 year one.

i say if a car is 20years old its road tax should be half what it use to be and then at 30 it would go into the clasic.