Airsofting in U.K (F.P.S)

cobra 08

I am traveling to the Chernarus Conflict Part 3. This will be my first event abroad and I was just wondering if the Players that travel over on a regular basis change their spring to bring their F.P.S up to U.K. limits (once over there of course) and change them back or do they just play with there current F.P.S?

StevieGriff

AEG limit for CC3 is 350fps, you won't gain too much range compared to 328fps.. Up to yourself if you thinks its worth the hassle of swapping springs or not!

But if your planning on bringing a sniper rifle, thats a whole new story:P

Puding

fps limit depends on the site ( you need to have a look at the rules for the event http://www.ta-events.co.uk/rules/ )

Weapon Velocity (FPS)
350fps: AEG's, Shotguns & Pistols
500fps: Semi-Auto Sniper Rifles
minimum engagement range of 25 metres
Sniper rifles

* Only sniper type rifles with scopes are allowed.

for the extra 20fps on aeg tbh there is no point upgrading as the performance increase in marginal, if you have an aeg with tight bore and bucking you will not have an issue

if you want to snipe there is a little more to think about as it is not as simple as just throwing in a high fps spring

cobra 08

StevieGriff wrote: »

AEG limit for CC3 is 350fps, you won't gain too much range compared to 328fps.. Up to yourself if you thinks its worth the hassle of swapping springs or not!

But if your planning on bringing a sniper rifle, thats a whole new story:P

I realise that you gain much but just wondering what the general view is. Was considering bringing my BAR 10 is it even possible to source 500fps spring in this country?

cobra 08

@Puding well aware of the rules of the game as I have spent the last week on the site looking at them and all the hints and tips. I do have a tight-bore 6.03mm and Gaurder hop up so range would be pretty decent all ready so your probaly right its not really worth it.

TNTQ

cobra 08 wrote: »

I realise that you gain much but just wondering what the general view is. Was considering bringing my BAR 10 is it even possible to source 500fps spring in this country?

To be honest, in order to make a reliable 500fps Sniper rifle, you will have to start with something a little better than a JG BAr 10 (assuming that's what it is). Just lashing a large spring into it will result in failure 99 times out of 100.

I'm building a TM VSR for this and with the parts going into it you are talking about E500 +

andy_g

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The mod team would kindly ask retailers and sites not to add shop information on the main forum.

However they can still contribute to the forum as a normal user.

Puding

cobra 08 wrote: »

@Puding well aware of the rules of the game as I have spent the last week on the site looking at them and all the hints and tips. I do have a tight-bore 6.03mm and Gaurder hop up so range would be pretty decent all ready so your probaly right its not really worth it.

sorry my mistake, i read your post as 'what is the fps limit' ignore me on that bit long day at work clearly not helping me

i would say your fine, tbh i would be looking at reliability, you do not want to go that far to have issues with your aeg

TNTQ wrote: »

To be honest, in order to make a reliable 500fps Sniper rifle, you will have to start with something a little better than a JG BAr 10 (assuming that's what it is). Just lashing a large spring into it will result in failure 99 times out of 100.

I'm building a TM VSR for this and with the parts going into it you are talking about E500 +

puding agrees as he looks at svd and vsr and is scared about how much both cost so he could travel with them, know the svd was a little more economical but this is off set by the physical pain after 24 hours of cocking a heavy spring

also you have to factor in the minimum engagement range and playing with a high fps rifile is just not easy, i will be honest with you i have traveled and played as sniper in the last two events, most of the time i got asked to act as an observer or to put harassing fire thought windows at long range to suppress, that was my roll as a sniper i shot at square areas of space rather than people for the whole weekend

did i have fun doing this? hell yes as that was the task i was given, but just as we tell people who want to take up sniping in Ireland that it is not like the movies all still apples to sniping in the uk, 500fps does not change a lot of the down sides, yes an upgrades quality 500fps rifle will outrage others but this is offset but the cost evolved and the restrictions that fps buts on you

would not tell people not to try it, but i would always tell them to do a lot of research, arnies and other forums are your life line hear

JonnyTwoCombs

Correct me if I'm wrong. but after going through all the hassel of hitting 350, the end result is - your BB travells about the same range, but arrives at the target (hopefully) just a tiny bit sooner?

sliabh

JonnyTwoCombs wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong. but after going through all the hassel of hitting 350, the end result is - your BB travells about the same range, but arrives at the target (hopefully) just a tiny bit sooner?

Some data: http://mackila.com/airsoft/ATP/07-a-02.htm

He gets his data from calculations rather than experiment, but it is sort of validated.

We shoot 0.98J, the UK limit is about 1.14. He gives travel times for 0.84J and 1.5J in graph 025-05. At 30m (90ft) the difference in flight time is only 0.1 seconds, and that is with 50% more power. You won't see any improvement in a 328fps to 350fps upgrade.

cobra 08

Puding wrote: »

sorry my mistake, i read your post as 'what is the fps limit' ignore me on that bit long day at work clearly not helping

I know you weren't having a go and your right everybody should take the time to read the rules and game senario. What I meant by my post was that I'm looking forward to it so much that I spend my time looling at it over and over so I get the best out of the weekend;)

TNTQ wrote: »

To be honest, in order to make a reliable 500fps Sniper rifle, you will have to start with something a little better than a JG BAr 10 (assuming that's what it is). Just lashing a large spring into it will result in failure 99 times out of 100.

I'm building a TM VSR for this and with the parts going into it you are talking about E500 +

Might start a project like that further down the line but since this is my first trip think I'll stick with the A.E.G;)

JonnyTwoCombs

sliabh wrote: »

Some data: http://mackila.com/airsoft/ATP/07-a-02.htm

He gets his data from calculations rather than experiment, but it is sort of validated.

We shoot 0.98J, the UK limit is about 1.14. He gives travel times for 0.84J and 1.5J in graph 025-05. At 30m (90ft) the difference in flight time is only 0.1 seconds, and that is with 50% more power. You won't see any improvement in a 328fps to 350fps upgrade.

Hardly would the time :eek:

Best to be a bit sneeky and get a bit closer before issuing the good news! :rolleyes:

Soberts

Your best bet for sniping would be to go with something like the gas M700 (KJW i think), there is a tiny screw you can turn to change the fps, im pretty sure it can go up to 500fps.
This means you can use it here and abroad without the effort of upgrading/downgrading, all you do is turn the screw.
And also there is no heavy spring to pull back, you can pull the bolt back with 1 finger!

TNTQ

cobra 08 wrote: »

Might start a project like that further down the line but since this is my first trip think I'll stick with the A.E.G;)

The best craic i had there last time mate was with a bog standard G&G Plastic Blowback MP5 and a Tracer unit, it was shooting at 310fps and the range was fantastic.

Don't go breaking the bank for your first trip

And have FUN.

TNTQ

Soberts wrote: »

Your best bet for sniping would be to go with something like the gas M700 (KJW i think), there is a tiny screw you can turn to change the fps, im pretty sure it can go up to 500fps.
This means you can use it here and abroad without the effort of upgrading/downgrading, all you do is turn the screw.
And also there is no heavy spring to pull back, you can pull the bolt back with 1 finger!

Not the worst idea mate as long as your retailer didnt loctite the crap out of the screw and/or make it in-operable in some way

JonnyTwoCombs

TNTQ wrote: »

Don't go breaking the bank for your first trip

Bit late for that, the kids are already painting their feet black cos I've spent all my money on airsoft and couldn't buy them new shoes for school

Puding

Soberts wrote: »

Your best bet for sniping would be to go with something like the gas M700 (KJW i think), there is a tiny screw you can turn to change the fps, im pretty sure it can go up to 500fps.
This means you can use it here and abroad without the effort of upgrading/downgrading, all you do is turn the screw.
And also there is no heavy spring to pull back, you can pull the bolt back with 1 finger!

could do, not a fan of gas myself unless your looking at something like hpa with external tank as it can be extremely inconsistent, also knowing the uk weather i would not want to really on gas

fayer

I've travled to 4 of these in the past, conditions mostly are not ideal for equipment, having your gear setup for accuracy and reliability it the main thing for me, I've never upgraded for the extra 20fps.

Soberts

I know there are a few lads who have opted for the m700's for the next trip over to england. I would love a go of a 500fps sniper

Voodoomelon

The KJ M700s shoot at 310-330fps with 134a at approx 15*C.
Use green gas in the UK and you're up around the 500fps limit. For finer tuning you can alter the valve as mentioned above.

Lemming

For anyone thinking of ramping up sniper rifles to 500fps, I would seriously suggest thinking long and hard about it unless you have previous experience of doing so.

Why?

On a level of personal enjoyment, you really shouldn't be switching to 500fps for a 24 hour event as your first time doing so. Do it for a skirmish day that you attend so you have time to chop and change and tinker with things. You'll just spoil your experience of the event otherwise. The same applies to any new kit; if you constantly have to fidget with it you'll be distracted and p*ssed off.

But if that doesn't ring any bells for anyone; besides the obvious technical issues of just throwing a spring in and expecting it all to work, I have three words for you:

Minimum Engagement Range.

If you are at all unfamiliar with quickly and concisely gauging your engagement ranges you will become VERY unpopular very quickly with players that you hit, you will get reported for it, and you will most likely be told to either cop on, change to another airsoft gun, or leave. Failure to observe minimum engagement ranges are generally taken rather seriously for anything above 350-60fps.

So, if you think you're experienced enough to jump right in, then go ahead. If you doubt your ability at all, reconsider.

TNTQ

Lemming wrote: »

For anyone thinking of ramping up sniper rifles to 500fps, I would seriously suggest thinking long and hard about it unless you have previous experience of doing so.

Anyone asking us for a "UK Ready" Sniper Rifle will be seriously questioned as to their experience and/or intentions.

When Mike was in Taiwan he was playing with the guys from VFC & G&G and he was hit on the vest by a 700fps Sniper Rifle :eek:. Later, talking to the guy he was pleasantly surprised by how conscious the guy was about engagement ranges with such power.

To be honest, we don't have a culture in Ireland for such care for our fellow airsofter so we will be of the view that having the money to upgrade your sniper rifle doesn't entitle you to do so unless you can understand that...

With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility

cobra 08

O.k lads the Q I was trying too ask was do the regular lads that travel to U.K bother upgrading there AEG but it has moved on to sniper riffle's which is fine but @ TNT if anybody ask you for a sniper riffle that hits 500fps no matter how well you know them and you sold it to them would you both not be breaking the Law because I was under the belief that they are Illegal to sell/own without a firearms licence?

TNTQ

cobra 08 wrote: »

O.k lads the Q I was trying too ask was do the regular lads that travel to U.K bother upgrading there AEG but it has moved on to sniper riffle's which is fine but @ TNT if anybody ask you for a sniper riffle that hits 500fps no matter how well you know them and you sold it to them would you both not be breaking the Law because I was under the belief that they are Illegal to sell/own without a firearms licence?

No mate, what I said was "UK Ready" Sniper Rifles, IE. a sniper rifle that will not break if you put in a spring capable of 500fps whilst in the uk.

The sniper rifle handed over the counter would be 320ish fps but "Capable" of being used in the UK at their legal limit.

cobra 08

Sorry man read that wrong I see what you mean now

gerrowadat

cobra 08 wrote: »

O.k lads the Q I was trying too ask was do the regular lads that travel to U.K bother upgrading there AEG but it has moved on to sniper riffle's which is fine but @ TNT if anybody ask you for a sniper riffle that hits 500fps no matter how well you know them and you sold it to them would you both not be breaking the Law because I was under the belief that they are Illegal to sell/own without a firearms licence?

To answer the question, most people don't bother upgrading. It's not worth the extra few feet of range you might squeeze out, and you're better off getting a tighbore barrel and hop rubber and work on the accuracy.

Also as a note, it's not possible to get a license for an airsoft gun over 328fps, it just turns into an illegal firearm full stop :-)

fayer

gerrowadat wrote: »

To answer the question, most people don't bother upgrading. It's not worth the extra few feet of range you might squeeze out, and you're better off getting a tighbore barrel and hop rubber and work on the accuracy.

+1 We were reported my other players in Senny once for over powered guns due to the ranges we were getting. We were only using 320FPS AEG's, just put some time and care into the upgrades, Long tight bore barrels, and Garder Hop's.

cobra 08

Thanks Lads
Already have Gaurder Hop-Up and 6.03mm tightbore barrel in all my A.E.Gs but thinking of switching to a 6.02mm:D

Firekitten

Fayer; british airsofters love to moan when they get shot, ignore them.


Ok, 500 rifle, first time with one... Its got to happen somewhere, but not a big game. its going to end in tears frankly, Urban sniping with a 500 is REALLY difficult, even for experienced shooters. The urge to pull the trigger when you go round a corner is very high, its why you have to leanr to move with pistol out, not rifle in hand. engagement ranges are vital, it hurts...


I have this bizzre image of 100odd giddy irishmen coming over and feverishly upgrading sniper rifles before game on, only to enter the field, and see not one AEG amungst them... DONT all buy bloody sniper rifles, its going to make the game play very badly.... 500 doesnt give you a huge advantage, its not juts a way to get more range. youve got to use a lot more tactics and paitence.

As for the site saying 500 is ok for semi auto sniper rifles. A word of caution people.

semi automatic FIXED rifles, are a grey legal area in the uk, there is no precident for them, which means whoever is unlucky enough, may get utterly screwed, or a slap, want to find out? go for it. Fixed, as i said, refers to being internally restricted to semi auto, but even this is a grey area legally... some sites do allow it, some refuse to touch it. If you want to use an aeg sniper rifle, the rules are vague, but a 500fps ak47 with a scope taped on ISNT one., dont bring it, and deffinately dont have it with auto capability.

If you really want a DMR weapon for the game, I'd advise 371fps maximum, as this is the literal uk legal fps limit for auto and semi self loading weapons. If you go over this, there is a chance you can face a section 5 firearms charge, and do serious time. Play safe please, or your mates get to put thier feet up on your seat on the way back home!.