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Billy Connolly
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08-01-2011 6:35am#1
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FunnyBilly Connelly was and is a genius.
Many stand-ups are heralded as "geniuses", but few fit the bill.
There is nothing genuinely funny about most of them and everything they tend to say and do on stage is very contrived and about as far away from who they really are as individuals that they can get, which is fine - but I just don't find those type of comedians one bit funny, they have to work to hard at it and it's very obvious.
Stand ups like Bill Hicks for instance rabbiting on about commercialism and the like and how he is sooo above that. His whole act was just him trying to come across as cool, clever and point out how dumb and ignorant others are: the most narcissistic comedian ever to take to the stage.
Stand-ups like Billy on the other hand, are natural born comedians. You just know if he had never made it, he would still have been cracking up his mates in bars instead. Same goes for guys like Richard Pryor, Dave Chappelle, Jimmy Carr, Frank Carson, Les Dawson, Dylan Moran etc etc etc.
All naturals, but Billy Connelly is far and away the greatest stand-up of all time bar none.
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FunnyOutlawPete wrote: »Billy Connelly was and is a genius.
Many stand-ups are heralded as "geniuses", but few fit the bill.
There is nothing genuinely funny about most of them and everything they tend to say and do on stage is very contrived and about as far away from who they really are as individuals that they can get, which is fine - but I just don't find those type of comedians one bit funny, they have to work to hard at it and it's very obvious.
Stand ups like Bill Hicks for instance rabbiting on about commercialism and the like and how he is sooo above that. His whole act was just him trying to come across as cool, clever and point out how dumb and ignorant others are: the most narcissistic comedian ever to take to the stage.
Stand-ups like Billy on the other hand, are natural born comedians. You just know if he had never made it, he would still have been cracking up his mates in bars instead. Same goes for guys like Richard Pryor, Dave Chappelle, Jimmy Carr, Frank Carson, Les Dawson, Dylan Moran etc etc etc.
All naturals, but Billy Connelly is far and away the greatest stand-up of all time bar none.
Agree with every word of that. Couldn't have put it better.
There's 'cool' and 'right on' comedians, like Hicks. While funny in a "stick it to the Man" kind of way, they have NEVER made me piss laughing like vintage Connolly has.
The irony is, BC has touched on all the same subjects as them. But he's delivered the laughs without making it feel like political science!
And he always gets number one in that show too.
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FunnyHis cookbook sketch is feckin hilarious, anybody growing up on a corpo estate in Dublin will relate to this as well!!
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FunnyA Dub in Glasgo wrote: »His cookbook sketch is feckin hilarious, anybody growing up on a corpo estate in Dublin will relate to this as well!!
Yeah, class
Was actually looking for that for the other thread
I like this one.
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FunnyThe-Rigger wrote: »He's a tit.
So much so you voted against him twice
I love Billy Connolly. What a guy. He's been doing stand up comedy of a very high standard for decades. I saw hiim live last year and it truly felt like a masterclass. He's miles ahead of 99% of the newer generations of stand up comics.0 -
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FunnyBy the way, the people saying Hicks 'tried to appear cool' are talking out of their holes. Maybe he appears 'cool' to you, but don't insult the man by saying he was trying to impress you.
He doesn't appear "cool" to me, it's just that it was as obvious as hell that he was trying to come across that way. His whole act was one of the 'sarcastic intellectual' - do me a favour.
If people bought that crap, well good for them - but I think the guy was a fake. He was a spoiled little rich kid who just screamed and roared sarcastic observations and called them irony. Nobody in the history of humanity has bastardized the word 'irony' more than Bill Hicks did. He made it some kind of perceived commodity for the middle class. Everytime I hear or read someone say:
"Oh, I was being ironic, sorry you missed it".
I think to myself .. **** you Hicks.People love Hicks because he broadened their minds as well as making them laugh.
Broadened their minds?? Anyone that broadened their mind by listening to Bill Hicks must have been lacking to begin with. 'Oh look, Bill is talking about being high and how enlightening it is - he's a genius.'
He knocked people in interviews for advertising and even had part of his act where he asks anyone who works in advertising to go and kill themselves. HHmmm, let me think - now the people attended that show, how did they know it was on? Wouldn't have anything to do with "advertising" now would it??It was the things he made them laugh at. While lots of people may find Billy Connolly talking about a sandwich floating down a sewer attached to a sh*t as the high point of stand up comedy, some people have no problem with more profound ideas being discussed through the medium.
You are summing up Billy with one gag, I am talking about Bill Hicks' whole act - that is the difference. He mainly pokes fun at others (while by putting on a red-neck accent) and shouting at some easy target such as Billy Ray Cyrus or Michael Bolton.
People say Dennis Leary ripped him off, maybe - but not before Hicks ripped off George Carlin and Lenny Bruce. Men you could tell believed what they were saying and you got the impression that both would be talking that way if you went round there house for dinner. I have seen the footage of Bill as a teenager and he is acting like a some downtrodden guy that the world fcuked over.
I have nothing against cynical humour or even someone using sarcasm, but when it's their whole fecking act and not even something that isn't even heart felt, nah - think I'll stick with the Big Yin myself. The middle-class
angsty-teens will still think he had something profound to say I guess, whatever.0 -
CrapOutlawPete wrote: »He doesn't appear "cool" to me, it's just that it was as obvious as hell that he was trying to come across that way. His whole act was one of the 'sarcastic intellectual' - do me a favour.
If people bought that crap, well good for them - but I think the guy was a fake. He was a spoiled little rich kid who just screamed and roared sarcastic observations and called them irony. Nobody in the history of humanity has bastardized the word 'irony' more than Bill Hicks did. He made it some kind of perceived commodity for the middle class. Everytime I hear or read someone say:
"Oh, I was being ironic, sorry you missed it".
I think to myself .. **** you Hicks.
Broadened their minds?? Anyone that broadened their mind by listening to Bill Hicks must have been lacking to begin with. 'Oh look, Bill is talking about being high and how enlightening it is - he's a genius.'
He knocked people in interviews for advertising and even had part of his act where he asks anyone who works in advertising to go and kill themselves. HHmmm, let me think - now the people attended that show, how did they know it was on? Wouldn't have anything to do with "advertising" now would it??
You are summing up Billy with one gag, I am talking about Bill Hicks' whole act - that is the difference. He mainly pokes fun at others (while by putting on a red-neck accent) and shouting at some easy target such as Billy Ray Cyrus or Michael Bolton.
People say Dennis Leary ripped him off, maybe - but not before Hicks ripped off George Carlin and Lenny Bruce. Men you could tell believed what they were saying and you got the impression that both would be talking that way if you went round there house for dinner. I have seen the footage of Bill as a teenager and he is acting like a some downtrodden guy that the world fcuked over.
I have nothing against cynical humour or even someone using sarcasm, but when it's their whole fecking act and not even something that isn't even heart felt, nah - think I'll stick with the Big Yin myself. The middle-class
angsty-teens will still think he had something profound to say I guess, whatever.
That's a logic free rant, not an argument. You're obvious and inexplicable personal resentment for Hicks fatally undermines whatever point it is you are trying to make.
Similarly your amateur psychoanalysis of Carlin, Bruce, and Hicks resemble the angry ramblings of a lunatic, which is ironic enough in itself. Seriously the next time you sit at your keyboard to critique something, take a deep breath and try lay out a calm and rational argument. Try not to sound so bitter.0 -
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