VRT-ing a non running car (Rolling shell)

Neilw

Hi all,

I'm not too well up on the vrt procedure since the nct took over so I'd like some advice.

How would I go about vrt-ing a rolling shell, car has no engine or interior. I have read that the car must be road worthy to be vrt'd, is that right?

Thanks,
Neil.

Yep, afaik, stops people bringing in a car, making it temporarily a non runner to get cheaper VRT

Neilw

So no way of doing it?

Car was originally a 1.3 litre, I've a 1.8 to go into it. They could charge anything when the conversion is done

Neilw

Neilw wrote: »

So no way of doing it?

dunno

someone will be along shortly with more info probably

Midnight_EG

Neilw wrote: »

So no way of doing it?

Car was originally a 1.3 litre, I've a 1.8 to go into it. They could charge anything when the conversion is done

Sounds like you're putting a B18 into an EG Civic :pac:



If you have the original reg plates, VRT it as whatever it was registered as firstly!


Then of course get an engineers report and declare the engine conversion, they can't charge more for VRT after already paying.

Neilw

Midnight_EG wrote: »

Sounds like you're putting a B18 into an EG Civic :pac:

Pah, Honda schmonda. It's German

smash

Midnight_EG wrote: »

If you have the original reg plates, VRT it as whatever it was registered as firstly!

Then of course get an engineers report and declare the engine conversion, they can't charge more for VRT after already paying.

There's a problem with your plan there.... the car will be inspected by the NCT before it will be VRT'd.

Neilw

steve06 wrote: »

There's a problem with your plan there.... the car will be inspected by the NCT before it will be VRT'd.

So what is their inspection for? Is it to check that the car is registered correctly or is it to check for roadworthyness? I presume the NCT itself is the roadworthyness check.

Midnight_EG

steve06 wrote: »

There's a problem with your plan there.... the car will be inspected by the NCT before it will be VRT'd.

In saying that, does that mean you get an NCT straight away then? So VRT Paid + NCT on the same day?

smash

Neilw wrote: »

So what is their inspection for? Is it to check that the car is registered correctly or is it to check for roadworthyness? I presume the NCT itself is the roadworthyness check.

The check is not really to only inspect the condition of the car, but also to make sure that it's the car you say it is. Chassis numbers and engine number match up with the log book, and that you're specifying the correct make/model on your VRT quote.

Midnight_EG wrote: »

In saying that, does that mean you get an NCT straight away then? So VRT Paid + NCT on the same day?

No, you have to book in for an NCT separately.

ltdslipdiff

Dyin to know OP, is it a Mk1 or Mk2 Golf? Or Jetta?

Atlantic Dawn

Theres is a minimum VRT charge regardless if it's a chassis plate or full car you are bringing in, here's the figures...

CO2 Emissions (g CO2/km) VRT Rates Minimum VRT
0 - 120g 14% of OMSP €280
121 - 140g 16% of OMSP €320
141 - 155g 20% of OMSP €400
156 - 170g 24% of OMSP €480
171 - 190g 28% of OMSP €560
191 - 225g 32% of OMSP €640
226g and over 36% of OMSP €720

http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/vrt/vrt-guide.html#section11

smash

bear in mind there's a collector/classic car vrt rate which isn't on the calc. 205gti's and early golf GTIs etc fall into the collector car bracket.

Neilw

Neilw wrote: »

Hi all,

I'm not too well up on the vrt procedure since the nct took over so I'd like some advice.

How would I go about vrt-ing a rolling shell, car has no engine or interior. I have read that the car must be road worthy to be vrt'd, is that right?

Thanks,
Neil.

Brother of mine in the same boat, the car has to be a running car. When it's all done and running it will be checked by NCT / VRT inspector. You can then appeal the VRT you paid, you need to keep all receipts of the parts you bought and they will go by them where you may get some of the VAT back etc...

It's a bit of a joke really. As for my brother, he was told last year by someone in the VRT department that he could buy a shell from the UK and pay VRT just on that, which turned out to be wrong. Now he is looking at one hell of a VRT fee €10k + :eek:

So much for Ireland being a member of the EU, here it seems this country can make up it's own rules :rolleyes:

gyppo

steve06 wrote: »

bear in mind there's a collector/classic car vrt rate which isn't on the calc. 205gti's and early golf GTIs etc fall into the collector car bracket.

Thanks for the info - something I wasnt aware of.

the culture of deference

What if the car is 30 years old, what happens then?

gyppo

the culture of deference wrote: »

What if the car is 30 years old, what happens then?

The rule was any car over 30 years incurred a flat rate charge of 48E - afaik, this is still the case, but 30yo cars now have to undergo an annual NCT.

the culture of deference

gyppo wrote: »

The rule was any car over 30 years incurred a flat rate charge of 48E - afaik, this is still the case, but 30yo cars now have to undergo an annual NCT.

Yea I know that, but what happens then if it is just a shell, ie range rover rolling chassis 1979, No engine interior or gearbox?

Can they VRT it out side of doing the NCT

gyppo

the culture of deference wrote: »

Yea I know that, but what happens then if it is just a shell, ie range rover rolling chassis 1979, No engine interior or gearbox?

Can they VRT it out side of doing the NCT

Good question, me no answer to that!

robtri

unless it has changed since the NCT crowd took over,

in the past they refuse to VRT the car if it not road worthy.. I know this from experience, I was bringing in a crashed DB7 non driving and they refused to VRT it, said it had to be repaired first and ready for the road before they would VRT it.... ****....

the culture of deference

the culture of deference wrote: »

Can they VRT it out side of doing the NCT

It has to be a fully working car to be VRT'd.

Here you go:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/motors/2011/0427/1224295540050.html

“To be registered, a vehicle must satisfy the definition of ‘mechanically propelled vehicle’. One of the prerequisites of that definition is that it is capable of achieving vehicle propulsion at the time of registration to the satisfaction of the Revenue Commissioners’. Therefore, the Cosworth shell was not a “mechanically-propelled vehicle” and couldn’t be registered, and the NCTS would, correctly, refuse to register it.

corktina

fairly obvious that the shell is a spare part rather than a complete car.

Sitec

Sitec wrote: »

Ya but legally it will be a different car as it will have a different Chassis Number.

Still though, you can't justify paying VRT of €10,000 - €15,000 on a car that firstly has an OMSP of €10,000 - €18,000 here. Secondly, the car is being built here in Ireland using parts sourced here, be they new parts that my brother has already paid tax on or second hand parts that cannot have tax applied to them, even though he might be able to appeal the VRT rate with the Revenue, if he wins the appeal he would only get back 10% - 20% of the VRT rate he first has to pay.

As a previous poster has said, the shell in fairness is a car part. Even a reply from the EU have said that if VRT is to be applied, as the car will be assembled and built by him when it comes to determining the level of the registration tax due Member States have to take into account the real value of the car, which in his case of a car built from parts sourced here and parts of used cars it is likely to be lower than the OMSP value of the equivalent new car.

Lets say for talk sake you had an Irish reg car that had the body damaged beyond repair but all the running gear was working and all you needed was a shell to repair it, up on €15,000 to pay VRT on that is nonsense. If you ask me the €5,900 he was first told he had to pay on just the shell was a bit much but he was willing to pay it. At the end of the day the shell is a part, yes it has a a different chassis number but to pay up on €15,000 or more for this is pure madness.

Big Nasty

gyppo wrote: »

The rule was any car over 30 years incurred a flat rate charge of 48E - afaik, this is still the case, but 30yo cars now have to undergo an annual NCT.

It was €50, €48 is the vintage tax rate. It's now €200 registration.

corktina

Sitec wrote: »

Ya but legally it will be a different car as it will have a different Chassis Number.

what I meant is that you cant register a spare part as a car. Once it has been built up, it will take on the ID of the shell and when it is presented to be registered, it will attract VRT on that basis I fear. Perhaps the solution is to build it up as a standard car and then get it assesed for VRT.

Mully_2011

What about just throwing in a 1.3 vrting it and then when the bigger engine is in it get the logbook changed to 1.8

galwaytt

Read someone already on that path, here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=72168454#post72168454