Old Reg Query

MidlandsM

Hi,

Got a pal with an old restoration project in progress. However, the car is of 1944 vintage but there's no reg on it and no logbook.

He asked me so I thought I'd ask here. He wants to source a 1944 reg no for it from county offally (where it came from originally)and request same from the tax office.
He does'nt want to go the ZV route with it.

Can anyone help with suggestions/advice on how to proceed?

Thanks,

MM

carchaeologist

To do it legally you will have to go with a ZV, and a horrible 5 digit one at that being from Offaly, somewhere between ZV68201 and ZV70700. Or you can get 44OY***.

You cant 'request' an original 1944 Offaly registration, and having no documents they will just issue an age related plate.

carchaeologist

Is there any idea of the registration at all? If it was registered in Offaly in 1944 the number would have been between IR2610(1/1/1938) and IR3340(1/1/1947)

Silvera

I'd suggest that your friend does more research to see if the car originally carried an Irish registration...

- Write a respectful letter to an 'Authorised Officer' in Offaly Motor Tax Office explaining the situation and including as much detail as possible, i.e. make/model, year, chassis no, engine no, colour, any details of previous owners, etc etc
(If it was ever registered in Ireland they MAY be able to locate its original reg number).

- Also write a similar letter to an Irish classic owners club for that specific make of car (or/and a UK owners club). They may have old details of what chassis no's were exported, and to which country, etc.)

Failing all that, your friend will have to go with a 'ZV' or '44 OY ...' reg number.

Personally I would opt for the '44 OY..' plate.
I dont like the 'ZV *****' (i.e. seven digit) plates. If you opt for a '44 OY' plate at least you can always later opt for a 'ZV' plate if you or a future owner wants to do so. (i.e or even perhaps for a more appropriate 'ZV' replacement which might be introduced in the coming years).


What make/model of car is it btw??

carchaeologist

Silvera wrote: »

Personally I would opt for the '44 OY..' plate.
I dont like the 'ZV *****' (i.e. seven digit) plates. If you opt for a '44 OY' plate at least you can always later opt for a 'ZV' plate if you or a future owner wants to do so.??

I agree here too. Best of a bad choice really.

Silvera wrote: »

(i.e or even perhaps for a more appropriate 'ZV' replacement which might be introduced in the coming years)

Ya, like this will happen!! Between year plates and 5 digit ZVs theres enough numbers to last untill petrol isnt availible anymore.

Basil Fawlty

Just had a quick look and 44 OY 1 has never been issued. I would be straight down to the NCT centre to get that reg. You could even make it look like
44 OYI

MidlandsM

Thanks for all the answers so far. Very helpful.

I called my pal there. The plot thickens. He got more info today after making some calls. He now told me it was originally english, but came from an original seller in Offaly (hence the offaly connection)but was never registered here.

I've told him it'll be a ZV plate and he's resigned to that now.

So, to register it now here,is there anyway to get the old english paperwork for it from the dvla in the uk? anyone ever do this?

thanks again,

MM

corktina

obvious answer would be to have some fake plates made up for shows and attach them once the car is on the showground.Put the 44ofxxx ones back to drive home....

MidlandsM

corktina wrote: »

obvious answer would be to have some fake plates made up for shows and attach them once the car is on the showground.Put the 44ofxxx ones back to drive home....

true, but he wants to do it legit for future resale etc.

corktina

He would be legit....it would just look better at shows.

Basil Fawlty

I would just keep it on the english plates. It will keep the car original. You wont get any hassle from customs.

As for the paper work give the DVLA a ring. They are far more helpful than their Irish counterparts.

G Luxel

I would have thought that there were no cars made or :)sold in 1944, it being the war years, and all car factories turned over to the war effort from 1940 onwards...

carchaeologist

G Luxel wrote: »

I would have thought that there were no cars made or :)sold in 1944, it being the war years, and all car factories turned over to the war effort from 1940 onwards...

It might be a commercial vehicle. There was some new vehicles sold in Ireland during the war, but not a lot.

corktina

ciarancapri wrote: »

I would just keep it on the english plates. It will keep the car original. You wont get any hassle from customs.

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dont take THAT advice!

MidlandsM

corktina wrote: »

He would be legit....it would just look better at shows.

I know, but he'd like to have a proper paperwork for resale, but I've put your suggestion to him about showplates which has appealed to him. Thanks.

ciarancapri wrote: »

I would just keep it on the english plates. It will keep the car original. You wont get any hassle from customs.

As for the paper work give the DVLA a ring. They are far more helpful than their Irish counterparts.

Thanks, but as I say, he want to do it all legit - and I think he right to have it all bang on personally, as it costs little to get it sorted, its just getting the old paperwork is the issue.

MidlandsM

UPDATE -

Rang the dvla this morn in Swansea. They will not issue a V5 for the car to a southern irish resident, but will issue a Certificate of Permanent Export for the car.

Question is - will that suffice with the VRT people?

corktina

yes

MidlandsM

corktina wrote: »

yes

you kiddin or for real? :pac:

Basil Fawlty

Yes thats just as good as a V5

MidlandsM

Thanks all, got the form downloaded now to fill out.

Thanks again.