off road mods.

bmw535d

ive got an old shogun at the min laying about. ive just out a winch on it as i need it for work, it cost a good but and before this i was thinking off getting rid of her, now that i spent the guts of 1800 on it since august, between new tyres winch servicing etc. i am thinking on beefing it up a bit to make it stand out a little and not look so poor.

this was what it looked like pre mods.


this is what iv'e done so far




its one of these



has anyone got any advise on what to next to give it a beefy look?
i know you will say tyres next but i stupidly just bought some bridgestone dueler ht(highway terrain):( for the front so i wont be getting the BF good rich M/T's for some time.

these ones


which seem very road orientated

ive got an a-bar but can't decide to get 2 6inch wipac spot lights to go with it, or 4 ring road runner rectangular ones to go along the bottom bar of it.

does anyone know anyway of getting a cheap snorkel?

maybe a cheap roof bar for lights, not the chrome ones because chrome rusts fast.

not looking to spend a heap. cheap and cheerfull off road mos if possible.

101sean

The cheapest form of snorkel is 65mm black rainwater pipe with a proper mushroom top on top. Works well on Land Rovers, not sure it would look good on a Shogun!

Nice start anyway. In the longer run, you might want to fit a proper winch bumper. The discrete mount is fine but you cant see what the rope is doing, also consider using Plasma synthetic rope, much easier to handle and safer (not cheap though)

Tyre wise, you could sell those tyres on and get some cheaper MTs if your not doing high mileage, or get a second set on cheap rims. Having said that, you'll get most places on those tyres anyway.

bmw535d

101sean wrote: »

The cheapest form of snorkel is 65mm black rainwater pipe with a proper mushroom top on top. Works well on Land Rovers, not sure it would look good on a Shogun!

Nice start anyway. In the longer run, you might want to fit a proper winch bumper. The discrete mount is fine but you cant see what the rope is doing, also consider using Plasma synthetic rope, much easier to handle and safer (not cheap though)

Tyre wise, you could sell those tyres on and get some cheaper MTs if your not doing high mileage, or get a second set on cheap rims. Having said that, you'll get most places on those tyres anyway.

i was thinking on using black rain water pipe, and a bit of engineering geniuos coupled with alot of head scratching and tae drinking, however instead of the mushroom id like to have some like this

as a sort of ram air effect as a snorkel must put alot of lag with all those pipes.


na winch bumpers look too off-roady in my opinion, i still want to be able to go to mass on a sunday in this thing.i always watch the rope anyway when im winching as i use it to tow mobile homes up onto a trailer, for the transport business i run.i don't think a rope would suit me for the heavy pulls i be at. im considering buying cheap steelie wheelie's with MT's as i wont be doing much off roading during the summer and would like to change back and fourth from road to off-road tyres as i wish. do you think so? they haven't seen me stuck yet as i have marshal AT on the back and those on the front. i do a good bit of miles in this thing, its got 190,000miles at the minute. so off road tyres wouldn't last too long with me i would think:(


lastly(god i am a chatter) is there any off road clubs or tracks in donegal, i know of leinster 4x4 but they are too far away:(.

101sean

That's a Safari snorkel, same as I have on my 110. The ram air bit is cobblers, no benefit. I fitted it so that I'm always pulling in cleaner air, I don't intend to dunk my 110 to the top of the screen. There is a cheaper copy of this for defenders now, maybe there is for Shogun/Pajero. Have a punt round some of the Aussie off road sites for inspiration, they are good at this sort of thing.

If you are loading caravans, plant etc then I agree you are better off with the steel rope.

There are apparently loads of tracks in Donegal, one of the Land rover comics did a big trip a while back. Not sure who would cover that area (plenty of LR owners there though). Maybe someone else could help on that score as you need local knowledge

doctorchopper

these would make it stand out, maybe a slight body lift kit.
http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/commercials/1777860

ntgar

bmw535d wrote: »

ive got an old shogun at the min laying about. ive just out a winch on it as i need it for work, it cost a good but and before this i was thinking off getting rid of her, now that i spent the guts of 1800 on it since august, between new tyres winch servicing etc. i am thinking on beefing it up a bit to make it stand out a little and not look so poor.

this was what it looked like pre mods.


this is what iv'e done so far




its one of these



has anyone got any advise on what to next to give it a beefy look?
i know you will say tyres next but i stupidly just bought some bridgestone dueler ht(highway terrain):( for the front so i wont be getting the BF good rich M/T's for some time.

these ones


which seem very road orientated

ive got an a-bar but can't decide to get 2 6inch wipac spot lights to go with it, or 4 ring road runner rectangular ones to go along the bottom bar of it.

does anyone know anyway of getting a cheap snorkel?

maybe a cheap roof bar for lights, not the chrome ones because chrome rusts fast.

not looking to spend a heap. cheap and cheerfull off road mos if possible.

I like the winch,very nice work, just wondering was it hard to fit and wire up i have a trooper and am looking to fit one, also how to do you find the electric winch for power ive only ever used hydraulic.

101sean

You'll probably find electric winches a bit slow if you are used to hydraulic but power shouldn't be a problem with a good battery. The one fitted above is a 12000lb winch, 9500lb is also common but these figures are only for the first turn on the drum, it goes down as you wind more on. My 110 came with an 8000lb Warn winch that has hauled me out no problem.

There's lots of generic Chinese built winches like the one above for not a lot of money and come with all the wiring needed. You'll probably have to fabricate or buy a winch tray to bolt it to unless you fit a winch bumper. Hopefully bmw535d will come back and explain how he fitted his.

ntgar

101sean wrote: »

You'll probably find electric winches a bit slow if you are used to hydraulic but power shouldn't be a problem with a good battery. The one fitted above is a 12000lb winch, 9500lb is also common but these figures are only for the first turn on the drum, it goes down as you wind more on. My 110 came with an 8000lb Warn winch that has hauled me out no problem.

There's lots of generic Chinese built winches like the one above for not a lot of money and come with all the wiring needed. You'll probably have to fabricate or buy a winch tray to bolt it to unless you fit a winch bumper. Hopefully bmw535d will come back and explain how he fitted his.

Thanks for the info, yeah ill look into it more now in the next few days, thamks again

ntgar

101sean wrote: »

You'll probably find electric winches a bit slow if you are used to hydraulic but power shouldn't be a problem with a good battery. The one fitted above is a 12000lb winch, 9500lb is also common but these figures are only for the first turn on the drum, it goes down as you wind more on. My 110 came with an 8000lb Warn winch that has hauled me out no problem.

There's lots of generic Chinese built winches like the one above for not a lot of money and come with all the wiring needed. You'll probably have to fabricate or buy a winch tray to bolt it to unless you fit a winch bumper. Hopefully bmw535d will come back and explain how he fitted his.

Thanks for the info, yeah ill look into it more now in the next few days, thanks again

101sean

There's some excellent winch specialists in the UK plus loads on ebay. Try searching on recovery equipment to find suppliers here in Ireland.

bmw535d

even the motor of a warn is Chinese, the one i bought is supposed to be a super winch or champion with a lick of paint.infact they are nearly all made in china now, the power is unreal, even though my battery is 6 years old and ran out of water once, its putting out 400amps which seems to run it just fine, during the snow i pulled a large transit from a hedge buy wrapping the winch around a tree and hooking a chain from my tow-bar to the transit tow-bar, the winch pulled the pajero and the transit up hill no prob on its own.if you where still unsatisfied with the pulling power, there are bigger ones or you could use a pulley to double the pulling power but it would half the winching speed.

to fit it takes a day with all the right tools and know how, first of all don't attempt it unless you are an experienced welder, if it breaks wile pulling it would rip the whole front of the jeep off and potentially kill somebody.

http://www.winchmax.co.uk/acatalog/Winches.html

there is a guy on ebay buying these in bulk and selling them for 265 stg.

id get some body local that fits winches to do it for you. there is alot of trial and error in getting the positions right, the reason i went for the behind the bumper look, is that i could make it alot stronger and uglier with out ruing the look of the jeep.winch bumpers look horrible tbh and are very expensive.

they are very easily wired, the only thing the instructions don't mention is to install a kill switch like this one
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Car-Battery-Isolator-Cut-Off-Switch-24v-12v-Max-500A-UK-/290519256235?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item43a44c0cab#ht_2806wt_989

it is essential as the winch is un-fused which is a fire hazard if anything goes wrong, if you want i will take some pictures of the winch bracket i made and the wires etc.

so far the winch is costing me 550 euro fitted. and a mpg or two with the extra weight.

ntgar

bmw535d wrote: »

even the motor of a warn is Chinese, the one i bought is supposed to be a super winch or champion with a lick of paint.infact they are nearly all made in china now, the power is unreal, even though my battery is 6 years old and ran out of water once, its putting out 400amps which seems to run it just fine, during the snow i pulled a large transit from a hedge buy wrapping the winch around a tree and hooking a chain from my tow-bar to the transit tow-bar, the winch pulled the pajero and the transit up hill no prob on its own.if you where still unsatisfied with the pulling power, there are bigger ones or you could use a pulley to double the pulling power but it would half the winching speed.

to fit it takes a day with all the right tools and know how, first of all don't attempt it unless you are an experienced welder, if it breaks wile pulling it would rip the whole front of the jeep off and potentially kill somebody.

http://www.winchmax.co.uk/acatalog/Winches.html

there is a guy on ebay buying these in bulk and selling them for 265 stg.

id get some body local that fits winches to do it for you. there is alot of trial and error in getting the positions right, the reason i went for the behind the bumper look, is that i could make it alot stronger and uglier with out ruing the look of the jeep.winch bumpers look horrible tbh and are very expensive.

they are very easily wired, the only thing the instructions don't mention is to install a kill switch like this one
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Car-Battery-Isolator-Cut-Off-Switch-24v-12v-Max-500A-UK-/290519256235?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item43a44c0cab#ht_2806wt_989

it is essential as the winch is un-fused which is a fire hazard if anything goes wrong, if you want i will take some pictures of the winch bracket i made and the wires etc.

so far the winch is costing me 550 euro fitted. and a mpg or two with the extra weight.

Thanks for the info, yeah id have no problem welding and having to make up parts for it to fit, id apprecite it if ya put up the picturesof the bracket and wires would give me an idea of what way to go, thanks again

101sean

Have a look towards the bottom of this page http://www.dborc.co.uk/goodwinch/ and you'll see universal winch fitting trays, simple enough to make yourself, the majority of winches have the same mounting points. Goodwinch do some good stuff at reasonable prices although not quite at ebay levels.

bmw535d

ntgar wrote: »

Thanks for the info, yeah id have no problem welding and having to make up parts for it to fit, id apprecite it if ya put up the picturesof the bracket and wires would give me an idea of what way to go, thanks again

will do but you might have to wait to the weekend till i get it back of the wife, darn snow makes me end up with no jeep:(

doctorchopper

wiring is very easy,it should be direct wired to the +battery post and you can either go to a chassis ground or back to the battery. You will want to use a heavy gauge wire as there is a good draw on the system. I would suggest a 0 gauge, the winch may come with wire you never know.

bmw535d

doctorchopper wrote: »

wiring is very easy,it should be direct wired to the +battery post and you can either go to a chassis ground or back to the battery. You will want to use a heavy gauge wire as there is a good draw on the system. I would suggest a 0 gauge, the winch may come with wire you never know.

if the winch didn't come with the solenoids and appropriate wire i wouldn't buy it, experts recommend you run a thick negative cable directly to the battery to avoid electrical interference with other items due to the massive currents going through the body. i didn't bother but if you winch comes with the wire you might aswell use it.

ntgar

bmw535d wrote: »

will do but you might have to wait to the weekend till i get it back of the wife, darn snow makes me end up with no jeep:(

no problems at all thanks for that.

doctorchopper

bmw535d wrote: »

if the winch didn't come with the solenoids and appropriate wire i wouldn't buy it,

Most winches should come with solenoids but like bmw said if it doesn't have them then it can be quite difficult and messy to built your own solenoid box, as there are 4 solenoids to wire up(at least with warn winches)

101sean

Most Warn owners and competition winch users replace the solenoid pack with a single HD Albright solenoid. Easy to fit and fully waterproof. The majority of winches come with solenoids and battery leads, although they may not be long enough in some cases.

bmw535d

101sean wrote: »

Most Warn owners and competition winch users replace the solenoid pack with a single HD Albright solenoid. Easy to fit and fully waterproof. The majority of winches come with solenoids and battery leads, although they may not be long enough in some cases.

what is the actual difference between my cheap solenoids and the all-bright ones?will i get away with the cheap ones untill they break? what kind off all bright should i upgrade to when they do fail, is 54 stg a good price for one?
http://gigglepin4x4-shop.co.uk/epages/eshop343529.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/eshop343529/Products/G70102

101sean

It's down to maintenance (winches aren't fit and forget), amount of use etc. I had a load of trouble with mine as the solenoid pack was very exposed and poorly installed by the original main dealer :rolleyes: Didn't help that the cable terminals fitted by Warn rusted badly (you'll buy 3 generic winches for the price of a Warn :mad:)

Your pack will probably perform faultlessly for years but if you have problems then that is the average price for an Albright. Don't buy a cheap clone off ebay, nowhere near as good (guess how I know) Even though they are waterproof, a sensible owner sticks them somewhere dryish under the bonnet and makes up new 50mm2 cables.

Have you seen some of the other stuff on Gigglepin, for some serious high speed winching like the challenge trucks use, how about a twin motor Warn 8274 with uprated components, air free spool etc, £3345+vat :eek:

bmw535d

101sean wrote: »

It's down to maintenance (winches aren't fit and forget), amount of use etc. I had a load of trouble with mine as the solenoid pack was very exposed and poorly installed by the original main dealer :rolleyes: Didn't help that the cable terminals fitted by Warn rusted badly (you'll buy 3 generic winches for the price of a Warn :mad:)

Your pack will probably perform faultlessly for years but if you have problems then that is the average price for an Albright. Don't buy a cheap clone off ebay, nowhere near as good (guess how I know) Even though they are waterproof, a sensible owner sticks them somewhere dryish under the bonnet and makes up new 50mm2 cables.

Have you seen some of the other stuff on Gigglepin, for some serious high speed winching like the challenge trucks use, how about a twin motor Warn 8274 with uprated components, air free spool etc, £3345+vat :eek:

yea i know they need to be serviced etc.hopefully mines will last a couple of years as its in a sealed box thing. when it does go i will be getting an all bright,

so last night the frost seems to have busted a cell in my battery as its only putting out 11.1 volts, even thought last week it was putting out 12.6 volts and 400amps:( it's 6 years old now which is good enough from a banner battery.

so could you point me in the right direction of a good battery suitable for short winching cycles. not looking to spend over 200 euro. maybe 110ah and 800cca? maybe a half deep cycle/starting battery.

101sean

That would do it. I use Yuasa marine batteries of around 800CCA and 110amp but buy them when I'm in the UK for around £80 or so. Shop around, there's no need for fancy gel batteries like Optimas for general use.

The marine batteries are good for both starting and deep cycling, have one in each of my Land Rovers and a spare that also runs my beer fridge at shows

bmw535d

101sean wrote: »

That would do it. I use Yuasa marine batteries of around 800CCA and 110amp but buy them when I'm in the UK for around £80 or so. Shop around, there's no need for fancy gel batteries like Optimas for general use.

The marine batteries are good for both starting and deep cycling, have one in each of my Land Rovers and a spare that also runs my beer fridge at shows

only place i can find those are on ebay, 165stg for a 75ah, not big enough for the money im afraid, anything in ireland ya can recomend? need to get it on monday so will be local auto stores ill be looking in, just don't want to buy a cheap **** one that will effect the winch pulling power.

101sean

Sorry, I can't
That sort of thing is always overpriced here, I'm lucky I'm in the uk regularly :rolleyes:

Hopefully someone else will recommend a source, otherwise go to a decent agri/commercial motor factor with a note of the size of your battery compartment and fit the biggest truck/tractor battery that will go in.

doctorchopper

i know halfords does a 840 cca one for a pajero for around 140, not sure on the quality but has 3 year guarantee

bmw535d

101sean wrote: »

Sorry, I can't
That sort of thing is always overpriced here, I'm lucky I'm in the uk regularly :rolleyes:

Hopefully someone else will recommend a source, otherwise go to a decent agri/commercial motor factor with a note of the size of your battery compartment and fit the biggest truck/tractor battery that will go in.

it's not really the size thats the issue with pajeros battery set up, its that the fcuking terminals are at oppisite end than every battery ever made except banners for some reason, and i cant just turn the battery around because the leads dont reach over to the other side:(