The Daily Show is no more...

Ludo

Well over here anyway. More 4 have dropped the daily edition and will now only show the weekly Global edition. I am gutted. It used to Sky+ it (Tivo to you yanks) and watch it last thing every night...Absolutely gutted. My main source of US politics news gone.

Oh_Noes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18825YFwDlc

At least you can still watch Claire and Daithi.

FreudianSlippers

I'd be gutted without my daily fix of Stewart and Colbert. Thank FSM for magic fairies.

Overheal

Ludo you bastard, gave me a fright :mad: :eek: :pac:

That blows, I hope you find it somehow.

kev9100

You can still watch it on the website. You just have to use a proxie.

Ludo

Overheal wrote: »

Ludo you bastard, gave me a fright :mad: :eek: :pac:

That blows, I hope you find it somehow.

Oh, I'll get access to it some other way alright. But, probably not every single day though as it becomes a bit more awkward.

WTF?...this is not cool...i'd nearly write a strongly worded letter, were i not the typical stoned daily show viewer..

EastTexas

Ludo wrote: »

Well over here anyway. More 4 have dropped the daily edition and will now only show the weekly Global edition. I am gutted. It used to Sky+ it (Tivo to you yanks) and watch it last thing every night...Absolutely gutted. My main source of US politics news gone.

Jon Steward provides astute, hilarious and cut through the chase commentary on US political news, but that’s just the thing, it’s commentary but not the news itself.
Without being privy to the news first, it’s actually a little out of context.

But you should be able to catch up on the shows on the Comedy Central website.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/

Manach

Very disappointing news, in that the host had a keen sense of skwering both parties.

The Sparrow

Ah that sucks. I didn't watch it religiously but rather dipped in and out. Although if there was an interesting event or election in America, I would try and watch as much as possible of it.

BTW, this website is pretty good for catching you up on the important clips from US shows such as the Daily Show and Conan, Letterman etc

Also, if you are a fan of Jon Stewart, you should really check out Real Time with Bill Maher from HBO. Bill Maher is great and much more unapologetic for his liberal views than Stewart. It's on every Friday night but you can find it most of the usual places at the weekend. The new season starts back on Jan 14th.

Here's a clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn65HZSEBAo

Ludo

EastTexas wrote: »

Jon Steward provides astute, hilarious and cut through the chase commentary on US political news, but that’s just the thing, it’s commentary but not the news itself.
Without being privy to the news first, it’s actually a little out of context.

Ah I get actual US news also....we get Fox News here luckily :cool:

LostinKildare

Oh noooooo!

He is our proof (he and The Simpsons) to all the smug bastards over here that Americans DO SO understand irony.

kaiser sauze

EastTexas wrote: »

Jon Steward provides astute, hilarious and cut through the chase commentary on US political news, but that’s just the thing, it’s commentary but not the news itself.
Without being privy to the news first, it’s actually a little out of context.

But you should be able to catch up on the shows on the Comedy Central website.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/

His coverage of the US current affairs is better than all the networks there. You don't need to be 'privy' to US news and it is never out of context.

RubyRoss

Has anyone found a satisfactory proxy? I only found old links and the rumoured E2 per episode itunes scenario suggests someone must think proxies won't work long term. Then again, I know nothing about it works.

amacachi

Was there an episode of Colbert last night? (January 4th)

Overheal

yes. they came back on monday. Mandvi did a brilliant expose' on the San Fransisco Happy Meal story.

Macha

Anywhere else we can watch it online? www.quicksilverscreen.com works sometimes for Colbert and Daily.

EastTexas

Ludo wrote: »

Ah I get actual US news also....we get Fox News here luckily :cool:

If you just where to only watch Fox News though not without merit (as claimed by some) with it’s abundance of commentary and opinion, that itself is a rather narrow prism not providing enough context.
Just like if you only where to only watch MSNBC.

After having spent some time in Europe I can fully appreciate that US politics and culture can be bewildering to Europeans.
Raised in such a different environment regarding history, values and political system(s).

FreudianSlippers

EastTexas wrote: »

If you just where to only watch Fox News though not without merit (as claimed by some) with it’s abundance of commentary and opinion, that itself is a rather narrow prism not providing enough context.
Just like if you only where to only watch MSNBC.

After having spent some time in Europe I can fully appreciate that US politics and culture can be bewildering to Europeans.
Raised in such a different environment regarding history, values and political system(s).

Fox News has little to no actual news on its channel. I think it is something like 82% of it's airtime is devoted to opinion and debate shows.

I don't really know what the "values" argument is, but I'm not sure I believe in "values" as a whole.
Your typical Fox News viewer is going to say that Europe has poor values, etc. and that we're all a bunch of lefty heathens. However, socially, the Fox News viewer would probably look at specific policies in Europe (specifically Ireland) and see that we were way more socially right than even the most right Fox News viewer - no divorce until the 90s and still fighting giving abortions in this jurisdiction to even those with life threatening conditions.

EastTexas

OisinT wrote: »

Fox News has little to no actual news on its channel. I think it is something like 82% of it's airtime is devoted to opinion and debate shows.

I don't really know what the "values" argument is, but I'm not sure I believe in "values" as a whole.
Your typical Fox News viewer is going to say that Europe has poor values, etc. and that we're all a bunch of lefty heathens. However, socially, the Fox News viewer would probably look at specific policies in Europe (specifically Ireland) and see that we were way more socially right than even the most right Fox News viewer - no divorce until the 90s and still fighting giving abortions in this jurisdiction to even those with life threatening conditions.

Not sure where you got your 82% from, besides perhaps you’re not aware of its many local affiliate stations all over the US, very much on top of reporting the local news( not just politics), but all the same you reiterated what I said.

Values
Though there are many others, one thing that stands out to me personally is the value of safety (IMHO a delusion) over personal freedom, opportunity and self-reliance.
But that could just be Germany and would no want to toss all Europeans in one pot based on a local observation.

Another, I have so far never met anybody here who understands our 2nd amendment or the historical reasons and constitutional back story for it and have also learned that attempting to explain in is like pissing in the wind, because possibly it does not coincide with the “values” people were raised with.

FreudianSlippers

EastTexas wrote: »

Not sure where you got your 82% from, besides perhaps you’re not aware of its many local affiliate stations all over the US, very much on top of reporting the local news( not just politics), but all the same you reiterated what I said.

Values
Though there are many others, one thing that stands out to me personally is the value of safety (IMHO a delusion) over personal freedom, opportunity and self-reliance.
But that could just be Germany and would no want to toss all Europeans in one pot based on a local observation.

Another, I have so far never met anybody here who understands our 2nd amendment or the historical reasons and constitutional back story for it and have also learned that attempting to explain in is like pissing in the wind, because possibly it does not coincide with the “values” people were raised with.

Firstly, FOX (Fox Broadcasting Company) which has local affiliate stations is not the same as FNC (Fox News Channel) which operates one national cable station.

FOX does not air national morning or evening news programs. FOX airs 19.5 hours of programming per week, of which 15 hours is prime time programming leased to owned-and-operated affiliates. Most affiliates then air between 2 and 4.5 hours of local news per day.
So, even at it's most conservative estimate, 81.25% of the FOX airings are non-news.

Now, considering FNC (Fox News) here is their daily schedule:

• Fox and Friends - Opinion: 3 hours
• America's Newsroom - News: 2 hours
• Happening Now - News: 2 hours
• America Live with Megyn Kelly - Opinion: 2 hours
• Studio B - News: 1 hour
• Your World with Neil Cavuto - Opinion: 1 hour
• Glenn Beck - Opinion: 1 hour
• Special Report with Bret Baier - News & Opinion: 1 hour
• Fox Report - News: 1 hour
• The O'Reilly Factor - Opinion: 1 hour
• Hannity - Opinion: 1 hour
• On the Record - Opinion: 1 hour
• Red Eye w/ Greg Gutfeld - Opinion: 1 hour

That means of 18 hours, 11.5 hours is Opinion and 6.5 hours is news.
That's 64%, so the estimated 82% I heard is off by a bit... but still not a great percentage for a "news network".
Fox repeats 4.5 hours of Opinion and 1.5 hours of news - making 16 hours Opinion and 8 hours News (in order to make their 24 hour cycle complete) so it's 67% adjusted.


The 2nd Amendment point is an interesting one. I've studied in the US (lived there for almost 10 years from 12-21).
The text is:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I would (and I believe most Constitutional interpretors do) read this as meaning that the people of the US have the right to form a Militia and said militias shall have the right to keep and bear Arms.
The historical context being that militias were necessary to the rebellion, etc.

But it is often simply quoted by those who wish to rely on it as:

The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

EastTexas

OisinT wrote: »

Firstly, FOX (Fox Broadcasting Company) which has local affiliate stations is not the same as FNC (Fox News Channel) which operates one national cable station.

FOX does not air national morning or evening news programs. FOX airs 19.5 hours of programming per week, of which 15 hours is prime time programming leased to owned-and-operated affiliates. Most affiliates then air between 2 and 4.5 hours of local news per day.
So, even at it's most conservative estimate, 81.25% of the FOX airings are non-news.

Now, considering FNC (Fox News) here is their daily schedule:

• Fox and Friends - Opinion: 3 hours
• America's Newsroom - News: 2 hours
• Happening Now - News: 2 hours
• America Live with Megyn Kelly - Opinion: 2 hours
• Studio B - News: 1 hour
• Your World with Neil Cavuto - Opinion: 1 hour
• Glenn Beck - Opinion: 1 hour
• Special Report with Bret Baier - News & Opinion: 1 hour
• Fox Report - News: 1 hour
• The O'Reilly Factor - Opinion: 1 hour
• Hannity - Opinion: 1 hour
• On the Record - Opinion: 1 hour
• Red Eye w/ Greg Gutfeld - Opinion: 1 hour

That means of 18 hours, 11.5 hours is Opinion and 6.5 hours is news.
That's 64%, so the estimated 82% I heard is off by a bit... but still not a great percentage for a "news network".
Fox repeats 4.5 hours of Opinion and 1.5 hours of news - making 16 hours Opinion and 8 hours News (in order to make their 24 hour cycle complete) so it's 67% adjusted.


The 2nd Amendment point is an interesting one. I've studied in the US (lived there for almost 10 years from 12-21).
The text is:

I would (and I believe most Constitutional interpretors do) read this as meaning that the people of the US have the right to form a Militia and said militias shall have the right to keep and bear Arms.
The historical context being that militias were necessary to the rebellion, etc.

But it is often simply quoted by those who wish to rely on it as:

Kudos, for doing so much homework on Fox on my behalf.
That said I stand by my previous post….that just watching Fox or just MSNBC or even just and only both does not provide enough context and back-story to American politics....especially not to people outside the US who would have a much harder time telling WHEN Fox or MSNBC are BSing.



Please correct me if I am wrong, but I get the feeling that you want to argue with me about something that you and I largely agree on.

What is your point about the 2nd amendment?

FreudianSlippers

EastTexas wrote: »

Kudos, for doing so much homework on Fox on my behalf.
That said I stand by my previous post….that just watching Fox or just MSNBC or even just and only both does not provide enough context and back-story to American politics....especially not to people outside the US who would have a much harder time telling WHEN Fox or MSNBC are BSing.



Please correct me if I am wrong, but I get the feeling that you want to argue with me about something that you and I largely agree on.

What is your point about the 2nd amendment?

No, not looking to argue at all... just pointing out that FNC masquerades as a "news" channel when the majority of their stuff is Opinion Journalism.

MSNBC, on the other hand, has much more actual reporting of news than Opinion Journalism.
They DO have opinion segments, yes, but the majority is just telling the story and letting the viewer decide. The same goes for CNN - slightly more opinion stuff, but much more actual news than Fox News.

I believe European coverage of the news in general is much better. EuroNews and France24 being good examples.

Therefore I believe that people in the US are actually the ones who find it more difficult to see when Fox/MSNBC/CNN are bullsh!tting - I think Europeans get better coverage of the news in general worldwide and are more used to forming their own opinion on the stories rather than having someone from their "camp" tell them what their opinion ought to be.

My point about the 2nd amendment is that you're correct. In the US it is often misquoted and misunderstood by those wishing to rely on it.

kaiser sauze

EastTexas wrote: »

to American politics....especially not to people outside the US who would have a much harder time telling WHEN Fox or MSNBC are BSing.

This is patently untrue.

If you sat a typical European down in front of shows like Lou Dobbs, O'Reilly, Hannity, Maddow,& Olbermann, they would get bored very quickly.

Also, if you could keep their focus, they could easily tell you which 'commentators' are 'making stuff up'.

It's down to what you are subjected to at impressionable ages, US people are 'used to' and 'conditioned' to accept opinion news and pure bias as fact, whereas European people have far more neutral news available to them and quickly pick out the few rags and garbage that we have.

kaiser sauze

An example of what makes it on one of the most popular 'news' shows in The US:

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/bill-oreilly-thinks-tides-are-proof-

There are no words.

You would not see this on a European show. Ever.

Overheal

Oh, Papa Bear. Why.

I have a lot of patience for Bill O'Reilly but that was an asinine comment. It's worthing noting however that David Silverman fellow appears to have been a jackass with his contradictory "Everyone knows it's a scam" but "Everyone is being mislead" argument.

zeris

Macha wrote: »

Anywhere else we can watch it online? www.quicksilverscreen.com works sometimes for Colbert and Daily.

I use Firefox and a plugin called Modify Headers and watch it on the Comedy Central website.
Detailed instructions here.

EastTexas

kaiser sauze wrote: »

An example of what makes it on one of the most popular 'news' shows in The US:

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/bill-oreilly-thinks-tides-are-proof-

There are no words.

You would not see this on a European show. Ever.

Because that’s not the news.
Neither are Lou Dobbs, O'Reilly, Hannity, Maddow, Olbermann and Co.
Nor is Jon Steward for that matter.
But still a great show with some brilliant humor.

Increasingly I get the feeling that you are not familiar with the breath and diversity of American news sources at all and perhaps have gotten a little too hung up on tabloid punditry.

kaiser sauze

EastTexas wrote: »

Because that’s not the news.
Neither are Lou Dobbs, O'Reilly, Hannity, Maddow, Olbermann and Co.
Nor is Jon Steward for that matter.
But still a great show with some brilliant humor.

Increasingly I get the feeling that you are not familiar with the breath and diversity of American news sources at all and perhaps have gotten a little too hung up on tabloid punditry.

You are wrong, I am all too familiar with it.

I used those people as those are the people that a large percentage of US people look to for their news. I know they are not news, you assumed that I didn't and you are then going to use the old chestnut of they are 'opinion' to gloss over the hate-speech that is on Fox that, as I stated, many US people think is news.

The results of this is what happened yesterday.

And, again, as I stated earlier, The Daily Show is one of the most reputable sources out there. Say whatever you like about the style, the fact is that they don't lie.

It is the same thing when you likely try and compare Olbermannn to Beck.

Beck lies, Olbermann doesn't. They are not just the opposite ends of the political spectrum, one is honest and pushing his agenda, the other is lining his own pockets at the expense of his country.

Please do not accuse me of being ignorant again.

zeris

EastTexas wrote: »

Increasingly I get the feeling that you are not familiar with the breath and diversity of American news sources at all and perhaps have gotten a little too hung up on tabloid punditry.

Breadth. You mean breadth. Are you familiar with the breath of a news anchor?

EastTexas

zeris wrote: »

Breadth. You mean breadth. Are you familiar with the breath of a news anchor?

My apologies for the offending typo.
Me bad, it was late

bradlente

Just out of curiousity does anyone have a working proxy for Comedy Central?I hate when a high profile guest is on and Stewart asks them to stick around,I never get to see it!