11000 new jobs in ireland but none for Limerick

padma

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0104/economy1.html

Twould make you laugh if there wasn't such a high unemployment figure here.

jimmycrackcorm

With the reputation that Limerick has would you want to create jobs there?

TestTransmission

padma wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0104/economy1.html

Twould make you laugh if there wasn't such a high unemployment figure here.

How do you know none were in Limerick?Do you expect people to be handed jobs?

The multinational company I work for in Limerick who were originally IDA backed have created a good few jobs over the last few months.A friend of mine who works for another multinational company have also hired in the last few months.

phog

TestTransmission wrote: »

How do you know none were in Limerick?Do you expect people to be handed jobs?

The multinational company I work for in Limerick who were originally IDA backed have created a good few jobs over the last few months.A friend of mine who works for another multinational company have also hired in the last few months.

Please don't let facts get in the way of a good rant.

padma

TestTransmission wrote: »

How do you know none were in Limerick?Do you expect people to be handed jobs?

The multinational company I work for in Limerick who were originally IDA backed have created a good few jobs over the last few months.A friend of mine who works for another multinational company have also hired in the last few months.

It is well documented that the Limerick city area has been grossly overlooked by the IDA. This is factual, Limerick chamber of commerce recently estimated that 50 new jobs backed by the IDA have arrived in Limerick since 2009. 50, that is a paltry sum, while other areas with less unemployment have been granted and handed out jobs. So yes I do expect people to be handed jobs after they have applied for them and been successful in their interview. Yet in a city which is overlooked when jobs are being created it is very tough to apply for jobs that do not exist, where in other counties and cities yes they do exist and they are there.

If there was NEW jobs here in the city we wouldn't have the high unemployment that we currently have. Simple really. It is the job of the IDA to source new companies to invest in the mid-west region. If the current situation continues we here in the mid-west region will continue to further decline, as we have seen since 2008 or so.

I am under no illusions that the IDA is doing its very best for the region, if it was we would have got a fairly larger chunk of NEW IDA backed jobs than 50 from the 11000 or so which have arrived in Ireland in the recent past. This being due to being Irelands third largest city. As it currently stands the figures stand for themselves.

Amazotheamazing

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

With the reputation that Limerick has would you want to create jobs there?

Surely education and employment is the best way to end a lot of the social problems?

osarusan

padma wrote: »

This is factual, Limerick chamber of commerce recently estimated that 50 new jobs backed by the IDA have arrived in Limerick since 2009. 50, that is a paltry sum
.....
if it was we would have got a fairly larger chunk of NEW IDA backed jobs than 50 from the 11000 or so which have arrived in Ireland in the recent past.

Why does your thread title say that there are no IDA jobs when you in fact knew this to be untrue?




Anyhow, here are some adresses for you - write to them and ask them to justify why Limerick hasn't received as many IDA jobs as other parts of Ireland.

idaireland@ida.ie - email of the IDA.

willie.odea@oireachtas.ie - Willie O Dea

http://www.fiannafail.ie/people/contact/peter-power/ - send a messsage to Peter Power

http://www.fiannafail.ie/people/batt-okeeffe/ - send a message to Batt O Keefe

Cookiemunster

The article also states that 9500 IDA jobs have been lost over the same period so really the IDA only created 1500 jobs.

In other news, buried at the bottom of this article in the leader about the city center http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/New-incentive-scheme-for-retailers.6678676.jp is this.

Meanwhile, the IDA's regional manager said there was significantly more interest in Limerick from overseas investors last year than in 2009.

The number of site visits here had increased from 19 to 31, said Sean Denver. Three IDA-backed projects are to be announced here in 2011.

billy the squid

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

With the reputation that Limerick has would you want to create jobs there?

what has that to do with anything? all multinationals care about is money, they would set up in the nine pits of hell if it saved them a few bob, reputation of a place has nothing to do with such a decision.

TestTransmission

padma wrote: »

If there was NEW jobs here in the city we wouldn't have the high unemployment that we currently have. Simple really. It is the job of the IDA to source new companies to invest in the mid-west region. If the current situation continues we here in the mid-west region will continue to further decline, as we have seen since 2008 or so.

As I've said already this is untrue as I know 2 companies who have created NEW jobs in the last few months,just cause they're nothing to do with your skillset doesn't mean they're not out there

padma

osarusan wrote: »

Why does your thread title say that there are no IDA jobs when you in fact knew this to be untrue?





Keefe

Ok I admit I was short by 50 jobs. In the grand scheme of things it would be
fair to say that's nearly none compared to the announcements we hear weekly about other areas of the country.

To the poster who says why would someone set up here with the rep Limerick has. If this is the case it would seem that there is discrimination towarda Limerick city and this would IMO be a more worrying issue cos at the end of the day to a certain extent the politicians and state controlled jobs bodies control the jobs. Meaning if Limerick is overlooked maybe there is a bigger lobster behind the rock

munstergirl

There are a few jobs out there, but not enough for the unemployed, limericks true unemployed figure is just going one way up. Even with all the people emigrating.

Its so easy for some one who has a job to call all unemployed uneducated. Not true.

liammur

TestTransmission wrote: »

As I've said already this is untrue as I know 2 companies who have created NEW jobs in the last few months,just cause they're nothing to do with your skillset doesn't mean they're not out there

Unfortunately, you've completely missed the point.

TestTransmission

liammur wrote: »

Unfortunately, you've completely missed the point.

Fire ahead and explain how my post was irrevelant to the post i quoted

liammur

TestTransmission wrote: »

Fire ahead and explain how my post was irrevelant to the post i quoted

'The IDA said 126 foreign direct investments were secured last year, with 47 companies investing in Ireland for the first time, up a fifth on 2009.'


How many of these 47 companies located in Limerick, that's the key issue for almost everyone.

It is for this reason that the IDA/FF have completely failed Limerick. If an already established company like vistakon creates some jobs, I won't give willie o dea or IDA credit for that.

So the point the initial poster was alluding to: bring in new companies. Anyone know when the last one was (apart from the 13 jobs in december) ?

Liam Byrne

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

With the reputation that Limerick has would you want to create jobs there?

What the hell is that supposed to mean ?

I mean, one of Limerick's reputations is a sports-mad city, while another is a top-level centre for graduates from UL & LIT.

liammur

Liam Byrne wrote: »

What the hell is that supposed to mean ?

I mean, one of Limerick's reputations is a sports-mad city, while another is a top-level centre for graduates from UL & LIT.

Some people are extremely limited and fly off on tangents on the most basic of points, it's better off just let them be.

Bogger77

Liam Byrne wrote: »

What the hell is that supposed to mean ?

I mean, one of Limerick's reputations is a sports-mad city,

Hate to break it to you, sports mad town isn't an attractor of foreign investment.

Liam Byrne wrote: »

while another is a top-level centre for graduates from UL & LIT.

This might be a reason, but it's a matter of ability of a company to attract the right graduates and staff to the location. Just cos Limerick has loads of grad's of UL or LIT, doesn't mean that those grads have the skill-sets required.


Ask yourself, would a US company find it easy to convince a high level exec to move to Limerick? What happens when they google and see the news stories about the drugs wars etc, you know it's only in certain areas, but it's a negative on the image of the area.

It's easier convince companies to move to Dublin, Cork or even Galway than Limerick, that's a fact. Arguing that it's the IDA's job (or even Shannon Dev) to get jobs for Limerick is missing the point. Limerick has a good connection via motorways to Shannon airport, for air freight, and to Dublin. It's got good telecommunications infrastructure. Maybe the problem with jobs for Limerick is Limerick.

Instead of whinging and complaining that outsiders should be giving Limerick jobs, maybe Limerick could look at itself. It's got a city center thats uninviting, that is very dark after sunset, I'd argue that most of the city's commercial center is unappealing and bland during the day, dark and threatening at night. The city is the result of some brutal "planning" with dire traffic as a result. It's got a reputation for being the location of gang crime.

IDA doesn't give jobs to area's, it tries to attract companies to an area, and Limerick has got to entice and convince the exec's of multi nationals to invest in the area. The IDA can show exec's all the advance factories, offer all the grants it can, but it cannot force a company to choose Limerick.

Limerick people and politicians, would be better engaging with companies that were shown Limerick sites, but didn't choose them to find out why Limerick wasn't chosen, rather than berate the IDA.

liammur

Bogger77 wrote: »

Hate to break it to you, sports mad town isn't an attractor of foreign investment.


This might be a reason, but it's a matter of ability of a company to attract the right graduates and staff to the location. Just cos Limerick has loads of grad's of UL or LIT, doesn't mean that those grads have the skill-sets required.


Ask yourself, would a US company find it easy to convince a high level exec to move to Limerick? What happens when they google and see the news stories about the drugs wars etc, you know it's only in certain areas, but it's a negative on the image of the area.

It's easier convince companies to move to Dublin, Cork or even Galway than Limerick, that's a fact. Arguing that it's the IDA's job (or even Shannon Dev) to get jobs for Limerick is missing the point. Limerick has a good connection via motorways to Shannon airport, for air freight, and to Dublin. It's got good telecommunications infrastructure. Maybe the problem with jobs for Limerick is Limerick.

Instead of whinging and complaining that outsiders should be giving Limerick jobs, maybe Limerick could look at itself. It's got a city center thats uninviting, that is very dark after sunset, I'd argue that most of the city's commercial center is unappealing and bland during the day, dark and threatening at night. The city is the result of some brutal "planning" with dire traffic as a result. It's got a reputation for being the location of gang crime.

IDA doesn't give jobs to area's, it tries to attract companies to an area, and Limerick has got to entice and convince the exec's of multi nationals to invest in the area. The IDA can show exec's all the advance factories, offer all the grants it can, but it cannot force a company to choose Limerick.

Limerick people and politicians, would be better engaging with companies that were shown Limerick sites, but didn't choose them to find out why Limerick wasn't chosen, rather than berate the IDA.

That's an interesting point and plausible until one realises that the mid west region was attracting top companies until 1997,,,,,,,, what happened since then i wonder ??

IDA does give jobs to areas, for instance, they have targetted 50% of all jobs over the next number of years for dublin & cork.

mikemac

Cork has pharmaceuticals and financial services
Galway has networks/telecommunications and medical devices
I've left out Dublin

Is there something Limerick can sell themselves for? Try to identify some area and work with IDA and realy concentrate on it. Try to get a cluster of companies all in the same region. I think "cluster" is some business term to explain this.

I don't what the sector is but realy, that's for the Chamber of Commerce and local reps to be working on

liammur

feelingstressed wrote: »

Cork has pharmaceuticals and financial services
Galway has networks/telecommunications and medical devices
I've left out Dublin

Is there something Limerick can sell themselves for? Try to identify some area and work with IDA and realy concentrate on it. Try to get a cluster of companies all in the same region. I think "cluster" is some business term to explain this.

I don't what the sector is but realy, that's for the Chamber of Commerce and local reps to be working on

I believe a change of government will do the trick. Willie o dea has been an absolute shambles for the region. It's not just jobs, look at the hospitals for instance, the maternity is in a totally disgraceful condition and the regional has hardly seen a penny since noonan was on office.

mikemac

liammur wrote: »

IDA does give jobs to areas, for instance, they have targetted 50% of all jobs over the next number of years for dublin & cork.

Since 1997, a huge amount of IDA jobs are financial service and the funds industry.
Over 10,000 people working in the IFSC Dublin and thousands more in Cork, a lot in Cork airport business park.

One company Northern Trust is in Castletroy and that's it.

So I would think that would account for a lot of the new jobs since 1997. TheIFSC being the centre and the focus was always the plan.

But looks like Cork took the rest with the remainder going to Limerick, Dundalk and Kilkenny.

Just one sector I know, I don't know any others realy.

But these companies are tending to group together and that goes back to my previous post, can Limerick find an area and take all the companies and group them?

Silentcorner

I agree, Limericks problems can only be solved by us living here in Limerick, be that investigating why we aren't getting the jobs or addressing our citys reputation.

liammur

feelingstressed wrote: »

Since 1997, a huge amount of IDA jobs are financial service and the funds industry.
Over 10,000 people working in the IFSC Dublin and thousands more in Cork, a lot in Cork airport business park.

One company Northern Trust is in Castletroy and that's it.

So I would think that would account for a lot of the new jobs since 1997. TheIFSC being the centre and the focus was always the plan.

But looks like Cork took the rest with the remainder going to Limerick, Dundalk and Kilkenny.

Just one sector I know, I don't know any others realy.


But these companies are tending to group together and that goes back to my previous post, can Limerick find an area and take all the companies and group them?

I agree re clusters. Limerick used to have a strong I.T sector but most of those companies went bust and nothing was done to replace them. That's why the region is literally closing down. Not only has there been zero growth since 1997, it has gone back by a considerable bit.

They waited for Dell to close before they considered doing anything and have brought in about 63 jobs since!

Bogger77

liammur wrote: »

That's an interesting point and plausible until one realises that the mid west region was attracting top companies until 1997,,,,,,,, what happened since then i wonder ??

Hmmm, when did the Dundons and the rest start? 1997 is a long time ago, things changed, like the whole business world! I guess you mean 1997 was when FF was elected? Even M Noonan couldn't attract jobs to Limerick. Limerick had Dell and thought it was the bee's knees but we know what happened there. Manufacturing, although the correct term for what Limerick's Dell plant did is "simple follow instructions" assembling of cheap objects was never going to last, where was the R+D, call center for sales and support? Not Limerick. I'm struggling to think of a major MNC that had R+D center in Limerick. I'm excluding Shannon cos that has R+D. Analog and Vistakon are mainly manufacturing?[/QUOTE]

liammur wrote: »

IDA does give jobs to areas, for instance, they have targetted 50% of all jobs over the next number of years for dublin & cork.

To be blunt, it's better to target money towards area's that you can sell, rather than area's that you cannot.
A shop keeper will not keep spending money on products they cannot sell, similarly, the IDA should not spend too money on area's that have failed to sell in the past.
Also, Limerick has it's own economic development agency, covering Limerick and the surrounding areas, and it's not been too successful recently either. Limerick and Shannon region, have what Dublin, Cork and Galway haven't, a dedicated agency.

Of course, you've also ignoring the fact, and it's a simple enough fact, that the Dublin metropolitan area and the Cork metropolitan would be probably more than 50% of the population of the country. Dublin area is Dublin county, North Wicklow, Drogheda, North Kildare (Cellbridge, Leixlip, Naas), East Meath (Clonee, Dunboyne, Enfield), Cork would be pretty much all the area from Mallow to Fermoy to Midleton on the North +East, with Cobh, Crosshaven and Carrigaline to the south, westwards to Bandon.

Tallaght at about 93K people is just a tad short of Limericks urban population.


Why should Limerick get unequal share of the pie?

mikemac

liammur wrote: »

They waited for Dell to close before they considered doing anything and have brought in about 63 jobs since!

Don't we know it!
Everyone knew that day was coming for years and years and just before it announced the bould Willie and the Táiniste hop on a plane.

I'm not saying they could replace every job. The IDA couldn't. But it seems there was no plan in place at all.

But Limerick can't focus on that now.
Galway had some huge setbacks over the years but they've done well and have the medical devices cluster. And Cork seem to be getting priority from the IDA but they've done well from pharmaceuticals for years now despite some recent job losses

If it's not IT then there is something that Limerick can take over. Not sure what that is

Possibly Limerick can learn from Galway? I don't know the solution, the local reps need to do a better job though

Bogger77

liammur wrote: »

I believe a change of government will do the trick. Willie o dea has been an absolute shambles for the region. It's not just jobs, look at the hospitals for instance, the maternity is in a totally disgraceful condition and the regional has hardly seen a penny since noonan was on office.

and this, my dear boards colleague, is the one of the many reasons why Limerick will not prosper.

TD's are not "local" politicians, and more so, when in government, they should be targeting the funds, the not inconsiderable taxes I pay yearly, not towards projects in their local areas so that people will think they're the big man, but towards the areas where they will result in the best outcome, and give the best return.

liammur

Bogger77 wrote: »

Hmmm, when did the Dundons and the rest start? 1997 is a long time ago, things changed, like the whole business world! I guess you mean 1997 was when FF was elected? Even M Noonan couldn't attract jobs to Limerick. Limerick had Dell and thought it was the bee's knees but we know what happened there. Manufacturing, although the correct term for what Limerick's Dell plant did is "simple follow instructions" assembling of cheap objects was never going to last, where was the R+D, call center for sales and support? Not Limerick. I'm struggling to think of a major MNC that had R+D center in Limerick. I'm excluding Shannon cos that has R+D. Analog and Vistakon are mainly manufacturing?

To be blunt, it's better to target money towards area's that you can sell, rather than area's that you cannot.
A shop keeper will not keep spending money on products they cannot sell, similarly, the IDA should not spend too money on area's that have failed to sell in the past.
Also, Limerick has it's own economic development agency, covering Limerick and the surrounding areas, and it's not been too successful recently either. Limerick and Shannon region, have what Dublin, Cork and Galway haven't, a dedicated agency.

Of course, you've also ignoring the fact, and it's a simple enough fact, that the Dublin metropolitan area and the Cork metropolitan would be probably more than 50% of the population of the country. Dublin area is Dublin county, North Wicklow, Drogheda, North Kildare (Cellbridge, Leixlip, Naas), East Meath (Clonee, Dunboyne, Enfield), Cork would be pretty much all the area from Mallow to Fermoy to Midleton on the North +East, with Cobh, Crosshaven and Carrigaline to the south, westwards to Bandon.

Tallaght at about 93K people is just a tad short of Limericks urban population.


Why should Limerick get unequal share of the pie?[/QUOTE]

My point was, the IDA DOES target areas, hence the BMW region for Galway and the border counties, and 50% targets for Dublin/Cork.
As for companies, Analog, PKS, NETg, Vistakon are all good companies and had no problem setting up in Limerick.
I believe a new government will quickly address the wrongs of this government and areas like kerry/limerick/waterford will get their fair return. Everything FF did had some disastrous implications for someone.

liammur

Bogger77 wrote: »

and this, my dear boards colleague, is the one of the many reasons why Limerick will not prosper.

TD's are not "local" politicians, and more so, when in government, they should be targeting the funds, the not inconsiderable taxes I pay yearly, not towards projects in their local areas so that people will think they're the big man, but towards the areas where they will result in the best outcome, and give the best return.

Incorrect.

You cannot leave 1 or more regions fail, so whilst willie o dea adopted your theory, and did nothing for the region as he considered it 'local' bertie ahern, micheal martin etc were busy doing all they could 'locally' and din't give a damn about the rest.

Bogger77

liammur wrote: »

To be blunt, it's better to target money towards area's that you can sell, rather than area's that you cannot.
A shop keeper will not keep spending money on products they cannot sell, similarly, the IDA should not spend too money on area's that have failed to sell in the past.
Also, Limerick has it's own economic development agency, covering Limerick and the surrounding areas, and it's not been too successful recently either. Limerick and Shannon region, have what Dublin, Cork and Galway haven't, a dedicated agency.

Of course, you've also ignoring the fact, and it's a simple enough fact, that the Dublin metropolitan area and the Cork metropolitan would be probably more than 50% of the population of the country. Dublin area is Dublin county, North Wicklow, Drogheda, North Kildare (Cellbridge, Leixlip, Naas), East Meath (Clonee, Dunboyne, Enfield), Cork would be pretty much all the area from Mallow to Fermoy to Midleton on the North +East, with Cobh, Crosshaven and Carrigaline to the south, westwards to Bandon.

Tallaght at about 93K people is just a tad short of Limericks urban population.


Why should Limerick get unequal share of the pie?

My point was, the IDA DOES target areas, hence the BMW region for Galway and the border counties, and 50% targets for Dublin/Cork.
As for companies, Analog, PKS, NETg, Vistakon are all good companies and had no problem setting up in Limerick.
I believe a new government will quickly address the wrongs of this government and areas like kerry/limerick/waterford will get their fair return. Everything FF did had some disastrous implications for someone.[/QUOTE]
once ago, you're missing the point.
Limerick has Shannon Dev to look after it, not just the IDA, but that aside, this thread is an example of why Limerick is not getting inward investment. It's people are spending all their time blaming this agency, that political party. The truth is, Limericks local representives, the city councillors, need to get off their arses and start working for the area.

Galway lost a major employer, similar in scale to local region when Digital downsized it's operations in Galway in 1993/94. But that was the spark that many of the people who had been let go from Digital to start some very successful companies which continue to create jobs and revenue for the Galway region. Most of the initial investments came from the redundancy money.

Maybe, instead of saying, get me jobs, people in Limerick can create their own. The economy of 1993 wasnt "celtic" tiger era, but people took a chance and gambled and a lot made good on that gamble.

Bogger77

liammur wrote: »

Incorrect.

You cannot leave 1 or more regions fail, so whilst willie o dea adopted your theory, and did nothing for the region as he considered it 'local' bertie ahern, micheal martin etc were busy doing all they could 'locally' and din't give a damn about the rest.

Limerick is failure is not one that can be solved by the IDA, or even central government.

Unless people in Limerick push on the people elected to locally administer the city and county, it'll stay as it is, a economic dead end.

It's funny, Limerick City public representatives seem to spend more time, talking about getting the boundaries expanded when they cannot manage to light the center of the city, when driving through O'Connel street and Henry street, you'd nearly need to be on Full's rather than dipped lights.

liammur

Bogger77 wrote: »

My point was, the IDA DOES target areas, hence the BMW region for Galway and the border counties, and 50% targets for Dublin/Cork.
As for companies, Analog, PKS, NETg, Vistakon are all good companies and had no problem setting up in Limerick.
I believe a new government will quickly address the wrongs of this government and areas like kerry/limerick/waterford will get their fair return. Everything FF did had some disastrous implications for someone.

once ago, you're missing the point.
Limerick has Shannon Dev to look after it, not just the IDA, but that aside, this thread is an example of why Limerick is not getting inward investment. It's people are spending all their time blaming this agency, that political party. The truth is, Limericks local representives, the city councillors, need to get off their arses and start working for the area.

Galway lost a major employer, similar in scale to local region when Digital downsized it's operations in Galway in 1993/94. But that was the spark that many of the people who had been let go from Digital to start some very successful companies which continue to create jobs and revenue for the Galway region. Most of the initial investments came from the redundancy money.

Maybe, instead of saying, get me jobs, people in Limerick can create their own. The economy of 1993 wasnt "celtic" tiger era, but people took a chance and gambled and a lot made good on that gamble.[/QUOTE]

Well for the record, I'm thankfully not looking for any job. However, lots are.
You must realise Snn dev are nothing more than a quango, a total waste of tax payers money and should be abolished along with the vast majority of these councillors.
We need a good central government, not one like the last muppets that only saw to their own areas. A county with no minister got very very little.

liammur

Bogger77 wrote: »

Limerick is failure is not one that can be solved by the IDA, or even central government.

Unless people in Limerick push on the people elected to locally administer the city and county, it'll stay as it is, a economic dead end.

It's funny, Limerick City public representatives seem to spend more time, talking about getting the boundaries expanded when they cannot manage to light the center of the city, when driving through O'Connel street and Henry street, you'd nearly need to be on Full's rather than dipped lights.

I agree re public representatives, they are pathetic, probably worse than elsewhere, but believe me, the standard across the board is shambolic, hence the IMF are in.

I disagree re jobs, this has to come from central government - the way companies setting up in the west get extra incentives through the BMW scheme. It doesn't make sense to for a MNC to set up in Limerick, when they can get a better deal 60 miles up the road. That's the key issue.

David086

Good luck emailing Willie O'Dea he'd just say 'Fu*k your Job I've a horse outside'. Just sayin'....

Silentcorner

I agree with the sentiment but not the method, we need stong local government, seperate from national government, where we have accountable city councillors whose job is soley to improve the lives of our citizens thru jobs and opportunity, and if anyone thinks that FG or Labour will improve our lives you are going to be dissappointed, we have a state that is so wrapped up in quangos it cannot serve it's funtion which is to provide those jobs / opportunity.

43 quangos exist in moyross alone

When will people rise up and take back our country.

Liam Byrne

Bogger77 wrote: »

Ask yourself, would a US company find it easy to convince a high level exec to move to Limerick? What happens when they google and see the news stories about the drugs wars etc, you know it's only in certain areas, but it's a negative on the image of the area.

OK - so you're saying that there are no large US companies in places like New York or Los Angeles ?

Yes, there's an overstated reputation about the above, but all I was saying is that they are not the only reputations that Limerick has.

Dublin's drug problem is as bad as Limerick's, even worse. That's not point-scoring, it's a fact. So the question is WHY people focus on the negative in Limerick, a question further emphasised by the post that I objected to, since if anyone finds this thread in a search for Limerick they will further reinforce the incorrect stereotype reputation.

Limerick has many, many negatives - even down to being the one major city that doesn't have a beach that might support and promote a particular lifestyle, but there's no sense in posters throwing in snide comments about "sure why would companies bother setting up here", which will merely add to the said reputation.

Limerick also has many, many positives, and these should be emphasised and improved on.

Getting a SWAT team in to take out the 100 or so people involved in the drugs trade might be a start, or taking a leaf out of New York's book, but there's no political will to do that, which is what we should push for.

Do you believe that if Veronica Guerin had been shot in Limerick that the same campaign would have been invoked ?

John "I want extravagant expenses for sitting on my arse" O'Donoghue was elected on a promise of "Zero Tolerance", and failed miserably.

Willie "I'll look after ye lads" O'Dea was Minister for Defence and did nothing for the city unless opening a newspaper to see him pointing a gun at them would have scared the thugs; O'Dea also promised to protect Shannon and promptly u-turned voting with FF on the transfer of slots to Belfast.

We need to demand our rights and get the proper resources - not more quangos and talk-shops - to reclaim our city from the tiny minority that are ruining its reputation.

liammur

[QUOTE=Liam Byrne;69880066
O'Dea also promised to protect Shannon and promptly u-turned voting with FF on the transfer of slots to Belfast.

We need to demand our rights and get the proper resources - not more quangos and talk-shops - to reclaim our city from the tiny minority that are ruining its reputation.[/QUOTE]

Hear hear.

bacon&cabbage

liammur wrote: »

the regional has hardly seen a penny since noonan was on office.

Not True.

New A&E

New Critical care unit (under construction at the moment)



But I do agree that the Public representation on the Limerick Jobs issue has been very poor by all 8 Limerick TD's

bacon&cabbage

Bogger77 wrote: »

Galway lost a major employer, similar in scale to local region when Digital downsized it's operations in Galway in 1993/94. But that was the spark that many of the people who had been let go from Digital to start some very successful companies which continue to create jobs and revenue for the Galway region. Most of the initial investments came from the redundancy money.

Maybe, instead of saying, get me jobs, people in Limerick can create their own. The economy of 1993 wasnt "celtic" tiger era, but people took a chance and gambled and a lot made good on that gamble.

Limerick is cabable of that too bogger, look at the old Krups site

http://www.ledp.ie/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/LEDP-September-Presentation-Who-we-are.pdf

liammur

bacon&cabbage wrote: »

Not True.

New A&E

New Critical care unit (under construction at the moment)



But I do agree that the Public representation on the Limerick Jobs issue has been very poor by all 8 Limerick TD's

Yes, there is a new A&E underway, but only because they are closing hospitals like nenagh/ennis. I find our hospitals very dirty to say the least, it's a shame the private one on the dock road never went ahead.

K o donnell in fairness has been highlighting this IDA jobs crisis, and has taken B O Leary ( IDA CEO ) to task on it in. But the rest have been awful. Has limerick county got 1 IDA job since 1997?

jimmycrackcorm

Liam Byrne wrote: »

What the hell is that supposed to mean ?

I mean, one of Limerick's reputations is a sports-mad city, while another is a top-level centre for graduates from UL & LIT.

It has everything to do with it. IDA suggests that a MNC sets up in Limerick and the MNC asks its executives who wants to move to limerick and head up a new operation.
So they Google Limerick....

Also What's this sports reputation?

liammur

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

It has everything to do with it. IDA suggests that a MNC sets up in Limerick and the MNC asks its executives who wants to move to limerick and head up a new operation.
So they Google Limerick....

Also What's this sports reputation?

Ballina recently got over 500 jobs, why? They got extra incentives to move there, not because it's a nice town.
Far too many people overplay this idea that MNC's only go to 'nice' places. Money talks, Dell didn't give a sh*t what Lodz was like, it was cheaper and they believed they'd make more $. That's the number 1 rule in business, anyone telling you anything different has NO business brain.

bacon&cabbage

liammur wrote: »

Yes, there is a new A&E underway, but only because they are closing hospitals like nenagh/ennis. I find our hospitals very dirty to say the least, it's a shame the private one on the dock road never went ahead.

No, Its the critical care unit thats under construction at the moment.

liammur wrote: »

K o donnell in fairness has been highlighting this IDA jobs crisis, and has taken B O Leary ( IDA CEO ) to task on it in. But the rest have been awful.

Fair Point - Agreed

liammur wrote: »

Has limerick county got 1 IDA job since 1997?

I think we've been here before Liam

liammur

bacon&cabbage wrote: »

No, Its the critical care unit thats under construction at the moment.



Fair Point - Agreed



I think we've been here before Liam

Just saw on the news, 44 people on trolleys in the regional, that was my point, this hospital should have been upgraded 10 years ago. But def better late than never.

Are they upgrading the A&E unit there?

bacon&cabbage

liammur wrote: »

Just saw on the news, 44 people on trolleys in the regional, that was my point, this hospital should have been upgraded 10 years ago. But def better late than never.

Are they upgrading the A&E unit there?

yes, I just said they plan to

limklad

Bogger77 wrote: »

. I'm struggling to think of a major MNC that had R+D center in Limerick. I'm excluding Shannon cos that has R+D. Analog and Vistakon are mainly manufacturing?

That not True, I know a lot of people working there in Analog, while basic Manufacturing have shift to the far east over the last 10 years, Engineering Jobs has increased during the same time in R&D and Innovation has increased on site in recent decades. More than 3/4 of the employees involved in Manufacturing are third level Education and are involved in designing New process or assisting in Product development in some form or another. Of those 3/4 of those degree Employees, Not Just Electronic Engineers but From Electrical, Chemicals, physics, Mechanical, finance backgrounds.
See "Analog Devices" Jobs Limerick in any search engine for the types if quality high skill jobs compare to Dell Manufacturing which was low skill Jobs assembling what I call a lego type assembly. Manufacturing in Analog Devices is far more complex and innovate than in Dell. Just look at the equipment they sold in 2003 in they old wafer Fabrication facilityplant known as FAB http://archive.dovebid.com/brochure/bro2157.pdf. They sold multi-million dollar equipment which was far more complex than Dell sale of their equipment.

I am surprise that they are still here, since 1977 and has been evolving ever since despite the high cost of manufacturing and high cost of wages, etc for developing and manufacturing products here in Ireland.

http://www2.ul.ie/web/WWW/Administration/Ceremonies/Honorary_Conferrings/Honoured_by_UL/Recipients/Ray%20Stata
Analog Devices flourished through the 1970s, providing the resources to finance new start-up ventures. Thus Analog Devices commenced operation in Limerick in the spring of 1976 with a team of 12 people. It was to be a start-up with a difference because unlike other off-shore investment into Ireland at that time, Analog was to build Ireland's first Wafer Fabrication facility. Analog also established Ireland's first IC design centre along with a world-wide marketing operation.
Just one year later in Limerick they were producing their first silicon wafers in a facility employing over 100 people. By 1979, the Irish division had doubled in space, more than doubled its employment level to 250 and had introduced Limerick-designed new products on Limerick-designed process technologies. By 1983, the division had again doubled in terms of both employment levels and plant size. It also recorded continuing success in terms of new products and processes. Some of these products featured on the front page of the prestigious international trade magazine "Electronic Design". By 1986, the division had grown to its current size, 10 times the size of the facility in 1976, and employing 650 people. In 1994, the company now employs over 850 people, approximately 250 of whom are third level graduates. This year also saw the announcement of the construction of a new sub-micron Wafer Fabrication facility. This major new investment is a tangible testimony and a clear vote of confidence to the future of Analog Devices in Limerick.

Latest Investment in 2010, see the dramatics of the workforce jobs have change in Analog Devices. from 250 out of 850 in 1994 to today see below.

http://www.limericknewswire.com/2010/06/28/4264/analog-announces-e23m-investment-for-raheen-plant/
US electronics firm, Analog Devices, has announced it is to invest €23 million in research and development in the company’s plant in Raheen.
Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Innovation, Batt O’Keeffe said Monday the €23 million investment, which builds on research and development activity in the plant, will be in the manufacturing division and is supported by the Government through IDA Ireland.

The Vice-President of Manufacturing in Analog Devices, Dennis Dempsey,
said the decision to further invest in research and development at the Limerick campus is “a very positive one” for the company’s local operations.
“Our Limerick-based team will be driving technological developments based on our customers’ rapidly evolving needs across a wide range of industries throughout the globe,” Dempsey said.

Analog Devices, was established in Limerick in 1977 and employs over 1,000 workers in Ireland, with the Limerick operation employing about 500 workers in manufacturing.
The company says the investment will be in the manufacturing division where over 75 percent of the workforce has a minimum of a third-level degree qualification.

Analog Devices are Still investing in Manufacturing in Ireland according to New reports.
http://www.limericknewswire.com/2010/06/28/4264/analog-announces-e23m-investment-for-raheen-plant/

But there is always pressure on Irish Business here in Ireland when this Happened in Analog when this happened in 2007 before the recession hit us.

http://www.finfacts.ie/irishfinancenews/article_1010903.shtml
US firm Analog Devices, Inc. announced today that, as part of its overall strategic manufacturing plan, the Company will consolidate its Limerick Wafer Fab operations in an expansion of its existing 8" wafer facilities. As part of this programme Analog Devices plans to transition its current 6" Wafer processing Fab to its newer 8" Fab and plans to phase out and close its Limerick 6" Fab by the end of 2008.

"This is a long-term strategic decision for us as we must continuously assess our manufacturing capability to maintain our leadership position in the global semiconductor industry in which we compete," said Dennis Dempsey VP Limerick Manufacturing. "By focusing this flagship manufacturing facility on the more advanced 8" technology, we will be better positioned to provide innovative technology that is optimized to the performance and cost requirements of our customers well into the foreseeable future."

ADI's manufacturing strategy emphasizes development of internal manufacturing production capacity that provides proprietary, high value-added processes for analog and mixed-signal products, while utilizing external manufacturing foundry partners for the lowest cost access to commonplace industry standard processes.

The decision to optimize the Limerick site capacity is an integral part of the ADI manufacturing strategy. The transition to total 8" wafer capability at the Limerick facility will result in approximately 150 position redundancies.

Limerick continues to play an integral role in Analog Devices' global operations with investment in R&D continuing to increase on an annual basis -and the Limerick Wafer Fab operation remains the flagship of ADI's manufacturing infrastructure.

I think they start out with 3" wafers in 1977, then 4" wafers FAB (closed 2003) , then 6" FAB (Open 1996, closed 2008) and now 8" FAB

http://www.llynch.com/projectsheets/analog.htm
http://archive.dovebid.com/brochure/bro2157.pdf
http://www.dornan.ie/history/
http://www.finfacts.ie/irishfinancenews/Irish_2/article_1010903_printer.shtml

http://www2.ul.ie/web/WWW/Administration/Ceremonies/Honorary_Conferrings/Honoured_by_UL/Recipients/Heinrick%20Friedrich%20Krabbe


From reading their Final Year report in 2009, Even by their consolidation they invested $13.5m into the Limerick Operations to achieve this task to achieve cost saving in manufacturing products, while at the same time they close their Wafer Fabrication Facility in Cambridge, Boston and Sunnyvale, California in Silicon valley!!

http://biz.yahoo.com/e/101122/adi10-k.html
Consolidation of a Wafer Fabrication Facility in Limerick
In fiscal 2007, we recorded a special charge of $13.7 million as a result of our decision to only use eight-inch technology at our wafer fabrication facility in Limerick. Certain manufacturing processes and products produced on the Limerick facility's six-inch production line have transitioned to our existing eight-inch production line in Limerick while others have transitioned to external foundries. The charge was for severance and fringe benefit costs recorded in accordance with our ongoing benefit plan for 150 manufacturing employees associated with this action. We terminated the employment of all employees associated with these programs and have paid out all amounts owed to employees as severance. During fiscal 2008, we recorded an additional charge of $1.5 million related to this action, of which $1.2 million was an adjustment to the original estimate of the severance costs and $0.3 million was for clean-up and closure costs that we expensed as incurred. During fiscal 2009, we recorded additional charges of

Judging by his quotes in 2007 and Last year, the Continued R&D Investment into the Limerick Plant in 2010 is a good one, but also a worry if Analog does not invest further into the Limerick Plant because it will show that Limerick is not coming up with the goods that Headquarters needs.

They have a number of Product Design Teams working with other Teams around the world who develop products not just for Limerick Manufacturing but for Manufacturing FAB's around the world. I mention more later in this post.
Analog Devices have taken over 7 Buildings in the Raheen Business park most of them are Design teams and Manufacturing is only in one Building.

http://www.idaireland.com/analog/
We have built up a formidable base of technology expertise and knowledge, with over 450 engineers designing and launching over 80 new products to market every year. Perhaps because Ireland is a small country, the Irish tend to have a more global and outward-looking perspective. We know we're not the centre of the world, and so we're highly flexible and adaptable in our approach. Dick Meaney, Vice-President, Analog Devices, Limerick.

According to IDA website there is 9,000 People working world wide for Analog Devices, with 1,200 working in Ireland. That's a large percentage of their employee working in Ireland, especially in Limerick.

I do not know which company in Ireland that does not have the kind of large scale products development in Ireland and it the few companies in Limerick that keep hitting the headlines. From What I am Told by their employees that it's 8" Wafer FAB in Limerick is the Flagship FAB in the company, as the Wafer Fab in the US is a 6" Wafer FAB in Boston. Most US Multinational Companies have their flagship process in US or move it to China but not start and innovate a leading FAB to be built it in Europe first never mind Ireland. So Analog Devices Limerick is bucking the Trend despite various redundancies in Manufacturing Jobs during the boom years it still coming back with more high value upper skilled Jobs replacing the lower end of high skill jobs. Now I need to do Is get a Job there.

I work in Raheen Business Park and it has change radically since Dell shut it Manufacturing doors and all low skills jobs took the major brunt of Job lost in the whole mid west, not just Limerick City. All the add on companies who relied on DELL for for work surprised me.

To Top is off since the 1980's Government department and agencies has used Analog Devices in Limerick as a case study at the top of their list to show International Investors that there is US international was successful in high level jobs and innovation develop products and manufacture all on site in Limerick since 1976.
http://www2.ul.ie/web/WWW/Administration/Ceremonies/Honorary_Conferrings/Honoured_by_UL/Recipients/Heinrick%20Friedrich%20Krabbe
Since the early days Analog Devices Limerick has one of the world leaders in product designs as media reports shows and that far pre Celtic tiger by two decades.
A few years back when Intel has a Slogan and label with "Intel Inside" someone in Marketing came up with "Analog everywhere" slogan. A Smart arse says "So is Limerick!". But in a way he right as Analog Products Manufacture in the Raheen site is in products all over the world and is in everything from mobile phones, digital camera, computers, media players, Hifi, TV and their players, cars, Space Technologies, Industrial Machines, Medical Equipment, and more and more are going into everyday items such a washing machines.

I was told by several employees that until 10 years ago Analog Limerick was autonomous in comparison to other Multinational companies divisions or sites, they had control of their own spending and direction of innovation directions. While they still comes up with innovations they now have to get the money from corporate like most other Multinationals.
I was also told that they have several pillars of reporting structures with several Top level world wide corporate people in the management in Analog Devices with their main offices in Limerick and most of them are Irish and have people world wide reporting into them from the Far east, Europe and Several US sites reporting into Limerick and several People in Limerick reporting to other managers in sites in US. He describes it as spider web that keep changing every several years.

http://www.idaireland.com/analog/
http://www.idaireland.com/business-in-ireland/information-communication/who/
With 80 new products a year!! That some R&D in Limerick that the IDA has shown us. That more than Intel.

To Top it off here IDA reports on Industries R&D in the Limerick and in the Midwest

http://www.idaireland.com/locations/regions-of-ireland/midwest/
Limerick

Limerick, Ireland's third largest city, has a population of 90,000, with the population rising to 450,000 within a 60 km (37 mile) radius. Limerick is readily accessible by air, road, rail and port. The city is just 20 minutes drive from Shannon International Airport with direct daily flights to the US, UK and Europe. Limerick is on the national rail network with daily train services to Dublin Cork, Waterford & Ennis.

ICT, Life Sciences, International Services and Engineering/Consumer Products are important sectors for overseas investment in the Limerick area. Companies operating in these sectors include Dell Computers, Analog Devices, Kostal, Aughinish Alumina, Stryker, Vistakon and Cook Medical. The range of activities being undertaken include high value manufacturing, R & D, software development, shared services and customer technical support type operations.

The city is served by a resilient broadband network where a choice of carrier ensures competitive pricing and high quality service for all users.

Limerick has two major third level educational institutions, University of Limerick and Limerick Institute of Technology (LIT)- , which together have an aggregate student population of c. 18,000. The university has over 11,000 full-time students and c.-2,000 part-time. LIT has 3,900 full-time and 900 part-time. Major areas of research in UL and LIT include:

• ICT and software
• Biosciences, bioanalysis, bioengineering and environment
• Materials & surface science
• Work quality and productivity

Limerick is famed for its love of sport. Due to its history in the game of rugby, it is considered by many throughout the world to be the ‘Home of the Spirit of Rugby’.

In the Limerick Post paper (Page 8) this week, O'Donnell from FG says that the IDA will be announcing Jobs from three companies for New Jobs in Limerick. Two of them are Large companies and 1 from a small firm.

When things go bad, you know who are your friends are. With the credit crisis in the last few years only 6% of the National figure features Limerick companies that CJ the recovery of unpaid debt taken against them and most of them are developers.
http://www.limerickpost.ie/index.php/navigation-mainmenu-30/suckerfish-menu-mainmenu-32/1473-limerick-third-on-court-judgement-value-list.html

Here a firm in Limerick, I never hear of before which is Ripplecom with it's Headquarters in Raheen Business Park. They are in the Fast 50 list and are number 33 in the prestigious league table of the fifty fastest growing technology companies in the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland.
http://www.limerickpost.ie/index.php/navigation-mainmenu-30/suckerfish-menu-mainmenu-32/2503-limerick-firm-in-fast-50-list.html

It seems Limerick had a smart economy since the 70's with helping to keep the best highly skilled in Ireland thanks to companies like Analog Devices for many years during the last few recessions when emigration was rife. All Limerick needs now is plenty of lower skill jobs to replace Dell Jobs for the rest of the people who do not have third level education.