Water Shortages

dekbhoy

Could this really be happening , we have got our fare share of rain over the years , Coincidence Northern Ireland is the only part of the "uk" that dont pay water rates and can use what they want , Also major restrictions on supply on the republic , i personally thionk its all a ploy to force people to accept water charges to prevent this happening in the future.:mad:

uprising2

dekbhoy wrote: »

Could this really be happening , we have got our fare share of rain over the years , Coincidence Northern Ireland is the only part of the "uk" that dont pay water rates and can use what they want , Also major restrictions on supply on the republic , i personally thionk its all a ploy to force people to accept water charges to prevent this happening in the future.:mad:

I was just thinking exactly the same earlier, ok we had some cold weather, not the first time in history, but now all chaos breaks loose, mains burting everywhere, big expensive job to get it all sorted, cough,cough, we need the money to fix it.

Ok what got me thinking was this, I used to know a fella who worked for Dublin City Council, water department, we were talking about this and that, he was telling me about the handy number he had, basically stand around as a JCB digs to the mains, the climb down and repair whatever leak they were working on be it wear and tear or somebody digging where they shouldnt have, the water system has always had leaks, still does.

How far down are the mains?, a few feet?, how far does the freeze penetrate into the earth?, far enough to freeze water mains a few feet under which constantly flows?, I think not, a river may freeze on top but the flow never stops, so I fail to see how this cold snap suddenly fukks up almost the entire countries water mains.

I think its part of the softening conditioning to accept water charges, how much will they increase over time?, theres plenty of water and the infastructure to distribute it efficiently, maybe an upgrade wouldnt go a miss, but charges for the most abundant basic human right given to all mankind, it's not right.

I read something about the need and want by the powers that be to charge for water, it was a good few years ago but I'm sure it's floating about out there somewhere, dont want to speculate till I come across it again, but almost certain the IMF/World Bank were behind it.

charlemont

I agree...

Mahatma coat

Problem,
Reaction,
Solution.

Simples

amacachi

We've had two unusually cold winters in a row and aren't even halfway through this one, it's chemtrails. That's also how they're managing to make the water freeze below ground.

It certainly has nothing to do with lower than usual rainfall along with people leaving their taps running and causing demand to rise by about 25% followed by the burst pipes causing more loss of supply. My dad used to work in the council and he must be lying about repairing the pipes that would fcuk up during the winter, including one about 10 feet under a field providing mains water to a couple of hundred houses. Holy ****, he's in on it too.

jokerjoe17

Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura
S02E06: Great Lakes
worth a watch should solve ur problems

Trevor451

No water shortages here in Dublin

M three

jokerjoe17 wrote: »

Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura
S02E06: Great Lakes
worth a watch should solve ur problems

some interesting bits in there but very over dramatic made for american audience type of documentary. At the end of it claims its all a big chinese conspiracy. Which is nonsense as the chinese have the same issues.

It got me thinking if there is anything added to bottled water. just looked at a bottle of water I got in tesco, only thing that stood out in the ingredients was chloride. And a ph at source of 6.2. Shouldnt water have a ph of neutral?

robtri

M three wrote: »

some interesting bits in there but very over dramatic made for american audience type of documentary. At the end of it claims its all a big chinese conspiracy. Which is nonsense as the chinese have the same issues.

It got me thinking if there is anything added to bottled water. just looked at a bottle of water I got in tesco, only thing that stood out in the ingredients was chloride. And a ph at source of 6.2. Shouldnt water have a ph of neutral?

7.0 is PH neutral... 6.2 is not far off the mark, depending on what type of rock it was originally filtered in....

water charges and burst pipes .. i cant see the relation....

M three

robtri wrote: »

7.0 is PH neutral... 6.2 is not far off the mark, depending on what type of rock it was originally filtered in....

water charges and burst pipes .. i cant see the relation....

Then you really dont understand how things work do you?
Ever heard of thesis and anti thesis??

robtri

no i understand how things work just fine thank you....

please enlighten me how i dont understand

killerking

Water expands when it freezes into ice blocking water pipes during cold weather. When the cold weather ends, temperatures rise and the ice melts. The expanding ice caused the pipes to break hence the leaks during the thaw. The leaks cause water pressure to go down hence the water shortages.
Where is the conspiracy?

M three

robtri wrote: »

no i understand how things work just fine thank you....

please enlighten me how i dont understand

Obviously you dont.

You'll figure it out eventually........maybe...........

phantom_lord

It's hardly a conspiracy that our water infrastructure is extremely old and in need of repair

robtri

M three wrote: »

Obviously you dont.

You'll figure it out eventually........maybe...........

so you cant explain.. thought as much...


considering water charges have already been passed by the government, so like petrol increase we dont have much of a choice we have to pay, making up water shortage and burst pipes issues when the charges are already passed, seems a bit retarded doesnt it...

killerking

robtri wrote: »

so you cant explain.. thought as much...


considering water charges have already been passed by the government, so like petrol increase we dont have much of a choice we have to pay, making up water shortage and burst pipes issues when the charges are already passed, seems a bit retarded doesnt it...

Err...the cold weather froze the pipes and they burst with the thaw and now people are left without water. Why don't you actually stroll down to some of the neighborhood where people are getting washing, cooking and drinking water from tankers and see for yourself.

Surely our poorly maintained leaking aging water systems need to be improved and repaired and charging people would actually pay for it?

Or do you think someone can just wave a wand and magic everything better?

robtri

killerking wrote: »

Err...the cold weather froze the pipes and they burst with the thaw and now people are left without water. Why don't you actually stroll down to some of the neighborhood where people are getting washing, cooking and drinking water from tankers and see for yourself.

Surely our poorly maintained leaking aging water systems need to be improved and repaired and charging people would actually pay for it?

Or do you think someone can just wave a wand and magic everything better?

i understand this, but how is this a conspiracy into forcing water rates on us???? that the piece i dont understand yet.....

gizmo

dekbhoy wrote: »

Could this really be happening , we have got our fare share of rain over the years , Coincidence Northern Ireland is the only part of the "uk" that dont pay water rates and can use what they want , Also major restrictions on supply on the republic , i personally thionk its all a ploy to force people to accept water charges to prevent this happening in the future.:mad:

The highlighted part is incorrect, Scotland has a flat rate water charge which is collected by the local council. This means that, although they're still paying for water, they can use as much as they want too.

As for the rest of it, it's basic physics really, so not quite a CT. Old pipes + coldest winter in 130 years + subsequent thaw = burst pipes which lead to water restrictions in some parts of the country. We managed to avoid it here until Christmas morning which was a bit of a bummer, it came back the day after the thaw set in though so we counted ourselves lucky. In the meantime our neighbours on either side weren't affected at all which rules out any possible interference with the system other than the cold.

uprising2

The mains supply is constntly flowing, so it cant freeze, plus its mostly 6ft or more below ground, people leave taps running to stop pipes freezing, but flow in the mains is constant, so fail to see why it froze below ground, if it did ifreeze it should be near or at the surface, easily accessible.

Different areas of dublin get their water from different sources, yet they all fukked up in together, actually most of the country fukked up at the same time, which is at least suspect.

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amacachi

uprising2 wrote: »

The mains supply is constntly flowing, so it cant freeze, plus its mostly 6ft or more below ground, people leave taps running to stop pipes freezing, but flow in the mains is constant, so fail to see why it froze below ground, if it did ifreeze it should be near or at the surface, easily accessible.

Different areas of dublin get their water from different sources, yet they all fukked up in together, actually most of the country fukked up at the same time, which is at least suspect.

LOL.

gizmo

uprising2 wrote: »

The mains supply is constntly flowing, so it cant freeze, plus its mostly 6ft or more below ground, people leave taps running to stop pipes freezing, but flow in the mains is constant, so fail to see why it froze below ground, if it did ifreeze it should be near or at the surface, easily accessible.

The mains supply would be constantly flowing in some areas. In the likes of Dublin a lot of the pipes would be constructed from cast iron which is quite brittle in itself. They would also, however, be extremely old so they would also not be as durable as those found in parts of the country which would have grown in more modern times. There is also the issue of the pipes which are not underground but just covered so as to provide easier access, while it is harder for the frost to affect pipes which are under 6ft of concrete and soil, these more exposed areas can be affected a lot sooner. The people leaving their taps running constantly would only be able to save the pipes which run off the mains and into their own houses, this is what froze in our house.

uprising2 wrote: »

Different areas of dublin get their water from different sources, yet they all fukked up in together, actually most of the country fukked up at the same time, which is at least suspect.

Not really, large parts of the country were affected with the cold weather which, as I mentioned above, was the coldest on record for over 100 years. At the same time some areas weren't touched at all, while we were looking out at a couple of inches of snow here, our cousins down in Limerick didn't have any, no such water problems down there though.

M three

robtri wrote: »

so you cant explain.. thought as much...


considering water charges have already been passed by the government, so like petrol increase we dont have much of a choice we have to pay, making up water shortage and burst pipes issues when the charges are already passed, seems a bit retarded doesnt it...

Since when was it my job to educate you, that should have happened when you were at school.

I will give you some free advice though, do not suggest that anyones thinking or post is retarded, it just makes you look derogatory

The Recliner

M three wrote: »

Since when was it my job to educate you, that should have happened when you were at school.

I will give you some free advice though, do not suggest that anyones thinking or post is retarded, it just makes you look derogatory

And I will give you some advice

Refrain from back seat Modding as it is against the charter
Don't tell people what they can post, if you have an issue with it then report the post

bonkey

uprising2 wrote: »

The mains supply is constntly flowing, so it cant freeze, plus its mostly 6ft or more below ground, people leave taps running to stop pipes freezing, but flow in the mains is constant, so fail to see why it froze below ground, if it did ifreeze it should be near or at the surface, easily accessible.

If the water had frozen (or the pipes partially frozen) then there would have been widespread shortages before the thaw.

That the "suspicious" shortages came after the thaw, its safe to say that the issue was not frozen water mains.

Then again, I've done some looking around and haven't yet managed to find a single article suggesting that it was frozen water mains that were the problem...so I'm not entirely sure what you're basing your reasoning on.

Nehaxak

robtri wrote: »

considering water charges have already been passed by the government, so like petrol increase we dont have much of a choice we have to pay

Government bring out charges tomorrow for air, we all have to pay now to breath as the carbon dioxide we're exhaling is impacting on global warming climate change. Don't question it, just accept it, everything is ok, it's a fair tax, the government wouldn't lie to you would they ?

As for the OP, in fairness it was my first thought as well. A prolonged bit of snow and the waterworks infrastructure falls apart... :rolleyes:

Duiske

During TV interviews on the water shortages in the north, it was pointed out by officials, more than once, that the UK mainland were not having the same issues due to the investments brought about by privitization. I'm sure there was a certain amount of "softening up" the population for the inevitable going on.

I actually would not have a problem what local authority water metering, as long as the charges reflected the costs of supply and upkeep of the mains network, and were not used by the Government as a means of increasing revenue.

Dr_Phil

dekbhoy wrote: »

i personally thionk its all a ploy to force people to accept water charges

I think so too.

robtri

Nehaxak wrote: »

Government bring out charges tomorrow for air, we all have to pay now to breath as the carbon dioxide we're exhaling is impacting on global warming climate change. Don't question it, just accept it, everything is ok, it's a fair tax, the government wouldn't lie to you would they ?

As for the OP, in fairness it was my first thought as well. A prolonged bit of snow and the waterworks infrastructure falls apart... :rolleyes:

my point is that water charges have already been passed.....
so why do they need to pull a trick like this....

other place where water charges are in place i.e N.I and scotland have had worse effects then us..
unfortuantely really cold weather and a tired old water sytem = loads of leaks.......

bonkey

Nehaxak wrote: »

A prolonged bit of snow and the waterworks infrastructure falls apart... :rolleyes:

Similar to the "pipes freezing" line, I've been unable to find any sources attributing the problems to "prolonged snow".

Is it just me, or should we not at least connect the claimed reasons for the problems with the suspected conspiracy?

kumate_champ07

I dont think anyone has said that the main pipes froze, I remember it was reported a year ago that some pipes are constantly leaking and the whole system is very inefficient, the very cold weather(and we had extreme coldness this time) can do further damage. only way to repair the damage is to shut down the water supply while the leaks are repaired.

Jeboa Safari

The freeze has nothing to do with it, but I think water charges have been planned for a few years now, water schemes over the last few years have had meters attached to each house, aswell as (I think) all new houses in the last few years have had to have water meters installed.

Tabnabs

I'll tell you the real conspiracy of the water "shortages" and enforced restrictions, the real winner in this are the electricity utility companies. The restrictions mean that washing machines, dishwashers and electric showers etc. can only be run during peak electricity times. It's burning a massive hole in my pocket. grrr :mad:

Jeboa Safari

Dyflin wrote: »

I'll tell you the real conspiracy of the water "shortages" and enforced restrictions, the real winner in this are the electricity utility companies. The restrictions mean that washing machines, dishwashers and electric showers etc. can only be run during peak electricity times. It's burning a massive hole in my pocket. grrr :mad:

Would people not be less likely to use them? Especially dishwashers

gizmo

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

Would people not be less likely to use them? Especially dishwashers

I'm assuming he's referring to places in Dublin which had their water restricted to daytime use only and then cut off at night.

The hypothesis of course ignores those who had no water full stop.

studiorat

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

I dont think anyone has said that the main pipes froze, I remember it was reported a year ago that some pipes are constantly leaking and the whole system is very inefficient, the very cold weather(and we had extreme coldness this time) can do further damage. only way to repair the damage is to shut down the water supply while the leaks are repaired.

The pipes are always leaking, when the water freezes it ruptures the ground and allows for a leak to flow dropping pressure. 50% of the Dublin system is pre 1940, I guess the lizards had a time putting all those old pipes down there. :rolleyes:

HayleyLyons1

pay,pay,pay and your problems will go away.

Nehaxak

robtri wrote: »

my point is that water charges have already been passed.....
so why do they need to pull a trick like this....

...because the incoming government (most likely FG/Labour), who are arguably more or less the same as the outgoing government - would like the Irish media to be good boys and girls and ensure the public at large are softened up in advance, so as not to ask any Labour or FG politicians about water charges (or more to the point, not to make it an issue) when said party reps might call to the doors of potential voters.

The water charges may have been passed, but if it becomes a big issue and one or more parties stand out against those charges *and* those parties are elected in big enough numbers - the water charge may not be enacted, or if they are already enacted by then, overturned.

It's more a case of softening people up not for the inevitable charges being imposed upon them, but more so that it doesn't become an issue in the run up to the general election.

Or not as the case may be, and maybe the county councils/government are all telling the truth - which for me would point more toward then the question of why the media are not pushing the issue of county councils and government failing to maintain, upgrade and improve the waterworks around the country, especially so during the boom times, before they got to this stage of not being able to cope with prolonged cold snaps - and who then are ultimately to blame for not doing their job ?

I think the government would accept the conspiracy quicker than that last one...

Divorce Referendum

To be honest lads the state of some of the water pipes in this country is unbeliveable and the council dont really care or dont have the money to fix it. I will give you an example.

I was at a friends house this summer and i noticed there garden seemed soaking in one corner. After enquiring why, he explained that the water mains runs alongside his property on next doors land (unoccupied) and down to the street and that it had been leaking for the past 25 years. He has notified the council numerous times but they wont do anything about it. He resorted to installing a pump and pumping it to a nearby stream. What a waste of water and a good example of the state of the system.

On some of the sites I have worked on the water mains were dating back to victorian times. I dont think there is a conspiracy here but I think there should have been more work done during the boom. Water charges or not it will be the taxpayer will pay for the renewal/repair of the system.

robtri

Nehaxak wrote: »

...because the incoming government (most likely FG/Labour), who are arguably more or less the same as the outgoing government - would like the Irish media to be good boys and girls and ensure the public at large are softened up in advance, so as not to ask any Labour or FG politicians about water charges (or more to the point, not to make it an issue) when said party reps might call to the doors of potential voters.

The water charges may have been passed, but if it becomes a big issue and one or more parties stand out against those charges *and* those parties are elected in big enough numbers - the water charge may not be enacted, or if they are already enacted by then, overturned.

It's more a case of softening people up not for the inevitable charges being imposed upon them, but more so that it doesn't become an issue in the run up to the general election.

Or not as the case may be, and maybe the county councils/government are all telling the truth - which for me would point more toward then the question of why the media are not pushing the issue of county councils and government failing to maintain, upgrade and improve the waterworks around the country, especially so during the boom times, before they got to this stage of not being able to cope with prolonged cold snaps - and who then are ultimately to blame for not doing their job ?

I think the government would accept the conspiracy quicker than that last one...

so what u are saying is that Fianna Gael or Labour are responsible for the water chortages and leaks around the country???

Nehaxak

robtri wrote: »

so what u are saying is that Fianna Gael or Labour are responsible for the water chortages and leaks around the country???

Er, yes and also that they're responsible for the shooting of JFK and crucifixion of Jesus christ.

...but anyway, I'll re-quote the tldr version of my post for you...

It's more a case of softening people up not for the inevitable charges being imposed upon them, but more so that it doesn't become an issue in the run up to the general election.

MonkieSocks

Due to the water shortage in Ireland,

Dublin swimming baths have announced they are closing lanes 7 and 8.

robtri

Nehaxak wrote: »

Er, yes and also that they're responsible for the shooting of JFK and crucifixion of Jesus christ.

...but anyway, I'll re-quote the tldr version of my post for you...

ok.. that makes no sense... u state that these shortages and leaks are made up to soften up the population for the water charges.. this to me indicates that the other political parties are responsible for them reading your post

Nehaxak

robtri wrote: »

ok.. that makes no sense... u state that these shortages and leaks are made up to soften up the population for the water charges.. this to me indicates that the other political parties are responsible for them reading your post

Eh...:rolleyes:

You read too much into and fill in too many blanks between peoples posts, making 5 out of 2+2 rather than just accept they said 4. I haven't the time or the patience to explain every single word I state as my own personal opinion just because you cannot grasp what it is I've said, or indeed you can but are intent on making up stuff to suit a weird delusional need of your own.
Go read what I said in previous posts again, it's not fact, it's my opinion.
Accept it or don't, I couldn't care less either way.

I'm open for debate on what I've said but at least show a higher level of intellect when doing so, rather than one liner delusional ramblings that have little or nothing to do with the post you're replying too - that's not "normal".