.243-1 bambi-0

garv123

headed out this morning before first light at 7 and up to a fellas house not too far for us. 3 of us set off with two .243's and (me with the binoculars:rolleyes:)
walked in around these few fields that the fella shoots in and we were walking in threw a small not too heavily populated deciduous wood when suddenly we all spot a flash of orange thinking oh two foxes. how we were wrong. we got the biggest fright of our lives. two bull mastiffs hunting the wood together. stopped within 20 yards of us and had a stare off. they were growling and barking and looked like they were gonna make a go for us. only one of the lads had ammo in the .243 because the second forgot his mag in the van.
so basically here we are having a stand off with two huge feckers who are growling at us. shoot? run? try fend them off with the butts of the guns? (or my binoculars:rolleyes:)
i know if i had a gun there and then if the dogs came at us i would fire, especially because of their size and aggressiveness they showed, they were fecking huge. eventually when we stood our ground they backed off with no shots fired.
what the feck are you meant to do in that situation like? wood miles away from a house and we were the only ones at the entrance going in at first light and they came from the far side across private land. turns out the fella we were with found out that the dogs lived about 2 miles away.

so anyway on we went abit more weary and didnt see much all morning. it was abit too foggy where we were so we made our way back to the house and two fields away from the house we spotted 3 young stags lying down in a field. so we drove down to the house and crept up the fields and across the road and up the field. we had the winds in our faces and they had our backs to us so we were happy enough. as we watched they there was no sign of movement and he took aim and sent a good ould federal round into the head. there was an explosion off the deers head as the bullet hit it. the bullet took away half the head and left its brains on the ground and popped out his other eye. nice little fella no antlers yet. shot was bout 80 yards


was out walking since 6 o clock this morning till half a hour ago and we didnt see a single fox even though we speant about two hours in 4 or 5 different spots calling.

saw two more young stags then in the evening but didnt bother firing(didnt need more meat). they were about 180 yards. i was lying down looking at them with the .243 scope(unloaded). he had it on 5x50. lads i dont know how ye do it. i couldnt even hold the gun on him to look at him but yet they were able to point out that it was a stag. i would of had to turn the scope up to the last to do anything but he said he never takes it off 5 for deer. do any of ye do this?
not abit of old there. 5 degrees at 7 o clock this morning, we were peeling the layers off us.

natdog

nice eating on that one.
On the dog front you call out to see if there is an owner and after a couple of calls and no reply and dogs still showing agression you let them have it.
What happens to the next poor unfortunate that hasnt got a gun and these two have a go and also what about the next sheep they come across.
This will probably be removed because its not pc

deerhunter1

garv123 wrote: »

headed out this morning before first light at 7 and up to a fellas house not too far for us. 3 of us set off with two .243's and (me with the binoculars:rolleyes:)
walked in around these few fields that the fella shoots in and we were walking in threw a small not too heavily populated deciduous wood when suddenly we all spot a flash of orange thinking oh two foxes. how we were wrong. we got the biggest fright of our lives. two bull mastiffs hunting the wood together. stopped within 20 yards of us and had a stare off. they were growling and barking and looked like they were gonna make a go for us. only one of the lads had ammo in the .243 because the second forgot his mag in the van.
so basically here we are having a stand off with two huge feckers who are growling at us. shoot? run? try fend them off with the butts of the guns? (or my binoculars:rolleyes:)
i know if i had a gun there and then if the dogs came at us i would fire, especially because of their size and aggressiveness they showed, they were fecking huge. eventually when we stood our ground they backed off with no shots fired.
what the feck are you meant to do in that situation like? wood miles away from a house and we were the only ones at the entrance going in at first light and they came from the far side across private land. turns out the fella we were with found out that the dogs lived about 2 miles away.

so anyway on we went abit more weary and didnt see much all morning. it was abit too foggy where we were so we made our way back to the house and two fields away from the house we spotted 3 young stags lying down in a field. so we drove down to the house and crept up the fields and across the road and up the field. we had the winds in our faces and they had our backs to us so we were happy enough. as we watched they there was no sign of movement and he took aim and sent a good ould federal round into the head. there was an explosion off the deers head as the bullet hit it. the bullet took away half the head and left its brains on the ground and popped out his other eye. nice little fella no antlers yet. shot was bout 80 yards


was out walking since 6 o clock this morning till half a hour ago and we didnt see a single fox even though we speant about two hours in 4 or 5 different spots calling.

saw two more young stags then in the evening but didnt bother firing(didnt need more meat). they were about 180 yards. i was lying down looking at them with the .243 scope(unloaded). he had it on 5x50. lads i dont know how ye do it. i couldnt even hold the gun on him to look at him but yet they were able to point out that it was a stag. i would of had to turn the scope up to the last to do anything but he said he never takes it off 5 for deer. do any of ye do this?
not abit of old there. 5 degrees at 7 o clock this morning, we were peeling the layers off us.

Those dogs would not have lasted if it was me with a gun, should not be allowed roam,
Dig a quick hole and presto no more:D

garv123

we just cudnt belive it like. but a dog of that size has to be on a lead with a muzzle at all time in public. they ran down onto the road too and off over the fields. they could also have gotten as much of a fright as us to see us there at that hour and maybe thats why they showed so much agression.

garv123

these comment will be removed i reckon lads because we know as above said its not pc but like they were like two bears. if they ran at you, i dont see another choice. self defense surely?

deerhunter1

garv123 wrote: »

we just cudnt belive it like. but a dog of that size has to be on a lead with a muzzle at all time in public. they ran down onto the road too and off over the fields. they could also have gotten as much of a fright as us to see us there at that hour and maybe thats why they showed so much agression.

Imagine some poor child or old person out for a walk with their dog on a lead and came across them , shudder to think of consequences:(

stick shooter

All you have to do is look at the dog attack in south london before christmas, The consequences of which was fatal , Im not advocating random violence towards roaming dogs but if one were to come at you well what can you do .

garv123

stick shooter wrote: »

All you have to do is look at the dog attack in south london before christmas, The consequences of which was fatal , Im not advocating random violence towards roaming dogs but if one were to come at you well what can you do .

i know yeah. like we're all dog lovers and firing would be last resort. i ha 3 rottie's and ive never minded big dogs but by god i nee new underwear by the end of it

poulo6.5

Great job on the deer. And fair play to ye for not shooting any more than ye needed.

On the dog thing. I'm a dog owner of a large German shepherd and 2 springers. All of which are kept under supervision or locked in their run. I would consider my self a dog man. But I can tell you now that if I was in your situation there would be 2 less dogs in the world today. And what's more who ever let 2 large dogs like that roam free needs a visit from the gards.

clivej

Good write up and shooting, you can't beat a good stalk.

As for the dogs and thinking back your mate with the ammo could have given the other mate a round to load into his rifle. Let him take the first dog and the lad with the full mag shoot the other and anything that moves afterwards.

As said those dogs should not be let out without suppervision and should get what they deserve. :mad:

And when you see the add in the local paper about 2 missing dogs tell him both were shot for threatening you. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

garv123

clivej wrote: »

Good write up and shooting, you can't beat a good stalk.

As for the dogs and thinking back your mate with the ammo could have given the other mate a round to load into his rifle. Let him take the first dog and the lad with the full mag shoot the other and anything that moves afterwards.

As said those dogs should not be let out without suppervision and should get what they deserve. :mad:

And when you see the add in the local paper about 2 missing dogs tell him both were shot for threatening you. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

ah i love goin out at that hour even though i dont get to shoot. its great exercise since gaa is finished for the winter. i stroll away with them too when they all have their shotguns out for pheasants. wel didnt get to do that this year but id say il but out next week abit with them. theres sum amount of birds here looking good and healthy.


he realised he forgot the ammo before the dog incident but when he offered him a round for the chamber earlier he said he wont bother because he didnt want to fire the federals at a deer since he didnt use them and not been zero'd for them. and the dogs came from nowhere and it was all over in a minute and i dont think he wanted to take his gun down and fiddle with the ammo in the mag and give him a round. the cross hairs were firmly between the first fellas eyes. one step and he would have no choice but to squeeze the trigger.

shame too because they were beautiful dogs. :rolleyes: without the teeth showing of course. well built and looked like studs. worth a few pennys anyway

garv123

went on to google there to check was it defo the breed we saw. this is the exact image of the dogs.

think its only a mastiff? still big enough to scare the **** out of you at that hour of the morning

stick shooter

If they were to face you down and attack , one dog leading the other into a frenzy , the out come would not have being good for you and your friends , In my opinion bare in mind i am a dog lover and have large dogs better to react first and answer questions later ,

garv123

stick shooter wrote: »

If they were to face you down and attack , one dog leading the other into a frenzy , the out come would not have being good for you and your friends , In my opinion bare in mind i am a dog lover and have large dogs better to react first and answer questions later ,

true i suppose luckily then decided to run the other way in the end, so waiting and not firing was the best option in our case.

Feidhlim Dignan

I had a similar experience while out lamping. I just heard something growl behind me, i told my fried to shine the lamp behind us, when he did there was a huge rottwiller standing about 5 meters away growling teeth bared and all foam around his mouth. I have never been so scared in all my like. i held the gun on him and we just backed to the neatest gate and he didn't follow, but had he made one aggressive advance he would have got all 3 in the mag

Glensman

I would have shot the one nearest, the other should (although I wouldn't necessarily be the one to test it) be scared and back off, or at least give time to re-load.

I LOVE dogs, but dogs like that can't be allowed to roam. Way too dangerous, and as you say, they were hunting :mad:

garv123

Glensman wrote: »

I would have shot the one nearest, the other should (although I wouldn't necessarily be the one to test it) be scared and back off, or at least give time to re-load.

I LOVE dogs, but dogs like that can't be allowed to roam. Way too dangerous, and as you say, they were hunting :mad:

its a shame that the owners let them roam like that. like they might me lovely quiet dogs at the house, they were covering serious ground in the wood for the weight of them. as i said maybe they were growling aggressively because they got just as big a fright as us and backed off when they saw we were no threat.

happened to the same lad i was with about 2 years ago. they were out walking a field with their cockers when two rotties came running down the field. two shots over them before they turned.
they were my fathers two dogs and his wife was out walking them. she decided she couldnt handle them pulling her when she was pregnant and let them off the lead. one was 2 and a lovely dog. the other was 9 months and showing signs of aggression and he was going to a new job as a guard dog in a tire centre because the older fella just followed him. but she let them off the lead near the house after a walk and they ran into the field. my father freaked when he heard what happened. she got a decent ear full from myself too. could have been two dead dogs over a stupid owners mistake. not fair on the dogs either.

rugerman

ther surely after killing or wounding deer id look around see who owns them let them know whats happening and if they tell u to mind ur own buisness then its called bullmastiff stalking then

FISMA

natdog wrote: »

nice eating on that one.
On the dog front you call out to see if there is an owner and after a couple of calls and no reply and dogs still showing agression you let them have it.
What happens to the next poor unfortunate that hasnt got a gun and these two have a go and also what about the next sheep they come across.
This will probably be removed because its not pc

Couldn't agree more. What if these two came across some children? What would have happened? Sorry, when I am out there I feel the duty to ensure dogs like this harm no-one. Any dog that's going to stand off against me - what would they do against a mother and stroller?

2 miles away - and that's their territory? That's called a hunting pack and I would deal with it as such.

Fair play to you. If this happened to me, on my permissions, and there was no owner around, Bambi would still be alive and there would be two mastiffs down.

As for PC, the terms "pink-mist" and "cranial evacuation" are now in vogue.

garv123 wrote: »

saw two more young stags then in the evening but didnt bother firing(didnt need more meat).

Thanks - I take times like this to practice stalking - see how close you can come to them. Just clear the area of other shooters first!

garv123 wrote: »

i was lying down looking at them with the .243 scope(unloaded). he had it on 5x50. lads i dont know how ye do it. i couldnt even hold the gun on him to look at him but yet they were able to point out that it was a stag. i would of had to turn the scope up to the last to do anything but he said he never takes it off 5 for deer. do any of ye do this?

Yes and no. A fixed 4x mag is all you need. With that said, I usually set around 5 and forget.

ssl

Those dogs and owners should be reported to the guards.
If those dogs come across someone who isnt armed and/or who runs from them, I'm confidant that the dogs will give chase and there would be a bad ending for the person involved.

garv123 wrote: »

only one of the lads had ammo in the .243 because the second forgot his mag in the van.

That's a mistake I don't think he'll make again