Boyles Virtual Roulette

okidoki987

Another rip off by a bookmaking chain.
Virtual Roulette has started in Boyles, approx every 6-10 minutes all day by the looks of it.
Don't have a problem with the fact they are doing it, do however have a problem with the fact that the table they use has 2 Zero's (A Single Zero and a Double Zero)!
Exact same odds as a Single Zero table but with the extra Zero, more profit margin for the bookie. :mad:

JONJO THE MISER

Would you believe i was meaning to start a thread about this for the last 2 weeks:o
Looks like it is a clever way to get around the ban on FOBT's in Ireland, my local is like a casino now with lots of chinese betting on it and betting crazy amounts.
Its every 3 minutes as well, and i think there trying to take advantage of martingale betters as often 9/10 reds or 1-18 or odds will win in a row, im actually in profit the few days i have played it by just betting the same colour/odd or low number until the opposite comes up, for example last Thursday 11 reds in a row came up and i had bet 9 of them, just kept betting until the opposite came up and them stoped, they made a fortune from the martingalers on this.

okidoki987

Yeah looks like the start of the FOBT's in a roundabout way.
Very smart of Boyles to stick in an extra Zero.
Going to be slightly different to the FOBT's in that the virtual Roulette is on the main screens as opposed to a machine in the corner where the punters can play away for hours without moving.

JONJO THE MISER

Now i never trust rng's its a petty they dont have a live dealer as a good few dont trust rng's, maybe theres a opening for paddy power in that:p

eh i dunno

Is there an actual roulette table in Boyles? I had a go at Paddy Powers live casino and to be honest after 30 mins i found it pretty boring. Ended up with the same balance in the end :eek:

JONJO THE MISER

eh i dunno wrote: »

Is there an actual roulette table in Boyles?

No there is no roulette table there, its on a television monitior its virtual and on every 3 minutes.

jive

has any1 used the martingale system on online roulette with any success?!

eh i dunno

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

No there is no roulette table there, its on a television monitior its virtual and on every 3 minutes.

Virtual would put me off to be honest....surely Boyles can control that by what bets are placed? The one i was playing on PP's website was live so i felt it was more honest...maybe not though :eek:

eh i dunno

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

No there is no roulette table there, its on a television monitior its virtual and on every 3 minutes.

Virtual would put me off to be honest....surely Boyles can control that by what bets are placed? The one i was playing on PP's website was live so i felt it was more honest...maybe not though :eek:

okidoki987

There's a difference between in shop and on-line.
In Shop is virtual only, on-line can be either live or virtual whichever one you chose.
I don't think any bookie can decide the numbers, remember they work off a margin on the turnover so in theory they don't care who wins on what number, they make their money on the margins over time.

dougal-maguire

jive wrote: »

has any1 used the martingale system on online roulette with any success?!

used a system based on the martigale,probably an even quicker way to lose money than the martingale but managed to turn 200 euro into 3000 in about 8 hours playing.lost 1000 of it fairly soon after that and quit while i was ahead.if your lucky like i was you can win quite a bit of money,but i wouldnt chance it again.

jive

dougal-maguire wrote: »

used a system based on the martigale,probably an even quicker way to lose money than the martingale but managed to turn 200 euro into 3000 in about 8 hours playing.lost 1000 of it fairly soon after that and quit while i was ahead.if your lucky like i was you can win quite a bit of money,but i wouldnt chance it again.

let's say i start off with say a bank of 50 euro and bet in 10 cent incriments...
i know the green zero puts the odds with the bookies but if i were to just play all day 10c red, then double if i lose to 20c red, 40c red, 80c red etc. would i not have a great chance of making money? i mean the odds are nearly 50/50 (skewed slightly by the green)... i believe the odds of losing are like 19/37 (correct me if im wrong!). In theory this method is good but obviously you can go bust if you go on a bad run.....
i know with the stakes above i'd only be making buttons but is this not a sure fire way to make money bar some kind of disaster of a run making you go bust? I just want to know what i'm missing because this seems too simple and if it were plausible people everywhere would be using this method.

What am i missing? Someone enlighten me!!

eh i dunno

jive wrote: »

let's say i start off with say a bank of 50 euro and bet in 10 cent incriments...
i know the green zero puts the odds with the bookies but if i were to just play all day 10c red, then double if i lose to 20c red, 40c red, 80c red etc. would i not have a great chance of making money? i mean the odds are nearly 50/50 (skewed slightly by the green)... i believe the odds of losing are like 19/37 (correct me if im wrong!). In theory this method is good but obviously you can go bust if you go on a bad run.....
i know with the stakes above i'd only be making buttons but is this not a sure fire way to make money bar some kind of disaster of a run making you go bust? I just want to know what i'm missing because this seems too simple and if it were plausible people everywhere would be using this method.

What am i missing? Someone enlighten me!!

I just spent 20 mins playing roulette on pp live casino. Starting bet of €1 which if it won i'd bet €1 again. If it lost i'd increase my bet by €1. Ended up up €5 but its pretty boring to be honest. Was either betting on red/green or odds/evens

dougal-maguire

jive wrote: »

let's say i start off with say a bank of 50 euro and bet in 10 cent incriments...
i know the green zero puts the odds with the bookies but if i were to just play all day 10c red, then double if i lose to 20c red, 40c red, 80c red etc. would i not have a great chance of making money? i mean the odds are nearly 50/50 (skewed slightly by the green)... i believe the odds of losing are like 19/37 (correct me if im wrong!). In theory this method is good but obviously you can go bust if you go on a bad run.....
i know with the stakes above i'd only be making buttons but is this not a sure fire way to make money bar some kind of disaster of a run making you go bust? I just want to know what i'm missing because this seems too simple and if it were plausible people everywhere would be using this method.

What am i missing? Someone enlighten me!!

10 + 20 + 40 + 80 + 1.60 + 3.20 + 6.40 + 12.80 + 25.60 = 51.10

even if the odds were 1/2,you would have a 1/256 chance of going bust without winning on one spin.if you somehow managed to win 10c on every one of the first 256 spins,you still wouldn't have a big enough bank to cover anything over a 9 in a row losing streak.

thatsmyboy

Guys guys and gals ....keep away from anything online its run by computers and by the bookmakers themselves SO THEY WILL NOT LOOSE THATS A FACT. A cousin of mine works for a lrge bookmaking firm and the stories he told me one nite about some poor helpless loosing cash on the bookies own websites with these casino and live games made my mouth hit the ground. So my advice is if u do have to gamble go to the bookies and back a horse in a race where there is big prize money worth winning for the owner of the horse. Also a small bit of advice if you can afford to loose €50 euro bring €50 euro with you if you can afford to loose €5 bring €5 euro with you. And best of luck to ye but pleas keep away from silly roulette on computer screens or virtual horses or live casinos online cause YOU CANT WIN ..

Apologies if i sound like preaching

eh i dunno

thatsmyboy wrote: »

Guys guys and gals ....keep away from anything online its run by computers and by the bookmakers themselves SO THEY WILL NOT LOOSE THATS A FACT. A cousin of mine works for a lrge bookmaking firm and the stories he told me one nite about some poor helpless loosing cash on the bookies own websites with these casino and live games made my mouth hit the ground. So my advice is if u do have to gamble go to the bookies and back a horse in a race where there is big prize money worth winning for the owner of the horse. Also a small bit of advice if you can afford to loose €50 euro bring €50 euro with you if you can afford to loose €5 bring €5 euro with you. And best of luck to ye but pleas keep away from silly roulette on computer screens or virtual horses or live casinos online cause YOU CANT WIN ..

Apologies if i sound like preaching

Well said. I would have no interest in the virtual games unless PP gives me a free bet. Its gotta be fixed. The live casino where there is an actual human spinning the wheel is surely more honest? Only played it twice and would set a limit of losing a fiver. Cant see how anyone could get addicted to it though cus its so boring :mad:

adamski8

thatsmyboy wrote: »

Guys guys and gals ....keep away from anything online its run by computers and by the bookmakers themselves SO THEY WILL NOT LOOSE THATS A FACT. A cousin of mine works for a lrge bookmaking firm and the stories he told me one nite about some poor helpless loosing cash on the bookies own websites with these casino and live games made my mouth hit the ground. So my advice is if u do have to gamble go to the bookies and back a horse in a race where there is big prize money worth winning for the owner of the horse. Also a small bit of advice if you can afford to loose €50 euro bring €50 euro with you if you can afford to loose €5 bring €5 euro with you. And best of luck to ye but pleas keep away from silly roulette on computer screens or virtual horses or live casinos online cause YOU CANT WIN ..

Apologies if i sound like preaching

you could say the same thing about real life casino's too
the odds are on their side anyway so i dont think they need to dupe you.

jive

just made €5 using martingale on the roulette at paddy powers site. extremely dodgy though as i had €115 in the account and had to bet as high as 32 at one stage after starting at .50c (the smallest bet). after winning that bet i quickly got out hahaha

eh i dunno

jive wrote: »

just made €5 using martingale on the roulette at paddy powers site. extremely dodgy though as i had €115 in the account and had to bet as high as 32 at one stage after starting at .50c (the smallest bet). after winning that bet i quickly got out hahaha

Is the smallest bet not €1? Braver man than me going up to €32. I stop at €5 and then start at €1 again :eek:

jive

eh i dunno wrote: »

Is the smallest bet not €1? Braver man than me going up to €32. I stop at €5 and then start at €1 again :eek:

nah on powers its 0.50! i was literally ****ting it putting €32 on virtual roulette cause i knew the next spin was €64 and game over after that!

EskimoJack

Has anyone got the inside story from these scams, i play a bit of poker on line but I feel they have to much to loose if caught rigging poker, but with 3 minute roulette I have suspisions

Collie D

EskimoJack wrote: »

Has anyone got the inside story from these scams, i play a bit of poker on line but I feel they have to much to loose if caught rigging poker, but with 3 minute roulette I have suspisions

I very much doubt that a large company like Boyles or Paddy Power or any other large bookie for that matter would rig roulette. They'd risk losing their licence and their reputation would be battered. Casinos don't need to rig roulette to make a profit. Especially when punters beat themselves with systems like Martingale. That said, I'd be wary about them myself but roulette's not really my thing anyway. Basically if you don't trust the machine, it's not that hard to stay away. Only thing worse than a rigged game is the punter who knows it's rigged but goes back anyway.

okidoki987

There's no chance any bookie here would manipulate the tables, too much to lose.
Just because you lose someone else in another branch may win.
It's all about turnover for them.
Couldn't say the same about some smaller overseas operators.

gondorff

okidoki987 wrote: »

Couldn't say the same about some smaller overseas operators.

Which ones?

Howjoe1

okidoki987 wrote: »

Yeah looks like the start of the FOBT's in a roundabout way.
Very smart of Boyles to stick in an extra Zero.
Going to be slightly different to the FOBT's in that the virtual Roulette is on the main screens as opposed to a machine in the corner where the punters can play away for hours without moving.

Can someone explain how they are legal compared with the FOTBs?

SirDelboy18

Ive seen the same number come out 3 times in 5 spins. On more than one occasion. Just seems a bit unrealistic.

Mellor

I've see "0" 3 times in 4 spins. In real life, as a physical table

Don't confuse a single event in isolation with being un-realistic

barnaclebill

You can only be ripped off if you let yourself! That's the way i look at it

finbarrk

okidoki987 wrote: »

Another rip off by a bookmaking chain.
Virtual Roulette has started in Boyles, approx every 6-10 minutes all day by the looks of it.
Don't have a problem with the fact they are doing it, do however have a problem with the fact that the table they use has 2 Zero's (A Single Zero and a Double Zero)!
Exact same odds as a Single Zero table but with the extra Zero, more profit margin for the bookie. :mad:

I thought the Las Vegas Casinos had a 0 and a 00 also? Maybe I'm wrong?

okidoki987

Most of them do.
I remember a guy from the UK some years ago who sold everything he had, went to Vegas and staked everything he had managed to turn into cash on the Red (or Black) for a Double of Quits but only after the Casino changed the wheel from 0 & 00 to just a single 0.
It was around 250k and he won if I remember it correctly.

Mellor

Not quite that much.

He sold everything he had, and even changed his middle name to Blue Square for a bit of extra cash. He had 75k pounds (about $135k at the time)
He picked red and it landed on red, so he won 75k pounds ($135k).

So, wow!! he's crazy, what a gambler etc
I doubt it tbh
Most likely it was his idea, he approached sky with the concept and they thought it was good and ran with the mini series (first few eps were him selling everything, building up his cash). Sky were advertising it a bit and it was prob gettign a good few viewers. The part that nobody was told about was the fact that sky were likely covering his bet. There was no way that he risked it all, it generated more than 75k for sky I'd say.

i'd say, if he won, its all his. If he lost, sky return whatever he ponied, up to an agreed max.
He set up a poker site with the winnings.

finbarrk

Oh yeah, I remember him, Ashley Revell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Revell