hi speed motors vs high torque motors

Daz1214

can someone explain the difference between the 2 please?

goblin59

AFIK
a high speed motor generally turns alot faster with the same battery than a standard motor, but the down side of these is usually that they don't do too well with heavier springs or heavy gears.
the high torque means it has alot more power to push heavier gears and springs.

systema bought out a motor that has both good torque and speed so if your worried as to which to get it might solve your problem.

im quite possibly wrong with this info though, (cept the motor, redwolf have it for sale atm)

Daz1214

i thought it was something like that

so if i wanted crisper single fire, then a hi-speed motor is the btter deal?

goblin59

you can get some mosfet that would give you a crisper single fire, but yeh the high speed would probaly do it.
http://infectedairsoft.wordpress.com/item-for-sale/mosfet-w-active-breaking-circuit/

iv the ascu in my G&G i dont really notice that much of a difference in it compared to the vfc scar for single fire, but the motor in my scar is fairly fast and it is running off a 11.1 lipo which increases the speed of a motor by far, but i'd be carefull putting the 11.1 in your aeg untill your sure that it wont mess the gears up and burn your motor out

elDiablo79

hi daz if its crisp single shots ur after you need to use a high torque motor something like http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/upgrade-part/parts-upgrade-aeg/motors-parts/guarder-infinite-torque-up-long-type-motor.html
i use one of these in my magpul m4 and there good for single shot. i use a mosfet with this aswell and single is savage, full auto is still good i use a 1850mah 20c 7.4vlipo. by using a high torque motor u need a decent battery to get decent rof. i have another m4 set up for high speed using a g&pm120 motor on single it doesnt stop dead on the shot but fully auto is mental only on a 1200mah 20c 7.4vlipo you get 22bbs. but if your lookin for clean crisp single shots id go for the gaurder infinte torque up motor and get a mosfet put in. the best make of mosfet around ive seen and used are from this lad
http://extreme-fire.com/
ive used these 2 http://extreme-fire.com/SW-AB-LONG.html http://extreme-fire.com/SW-CHEETAH.html
first one is great one and the other has 3 round burst which is great wen ur using mids.:D

Daz1214

thanks lads, was looking at an element high torque motor which are meant to be very good and a 7.4 20c lipo

damagegt

A mate of mine installed a g&g m170 high torque high speed motor and I had a chance to try it out.I found it a great motor and excellent rate and quick trigger responce,

Daz1214

yeah, the g&p motors are good alright

damagegt

Sorry I just saw i said g&g,Ya there good,i have the m140 and the m160 and the m170 is definatly quicker then the other two.I havent tested it againt there m120.

Daz1214

does anyone know much about the element ultra orque motor?

elDiablo79

Daz1214 wrote: »

does anyone know much about the element ultra orque motor?

not that exact motor but if you turn the motor with your hand and you can really feel the force of the magnet when turning make sure you use a high mah battery as the motor will use a lot of juice.

Leftyflip

Daz1214 wrote: »

does anyone know much about the element ultra orque motor?

I've used one before, it was ok, I'd rather a Guarder durable though.

Daz1214

my top choice is guarder durable as well, either that or the g&p m170

Inari

As has already been said, high torque is about pulling power (i.e. stronger springs), and high speed is about as much RPM as possible.

I was, however, under the impression that High Speed motors were the way to go for Semi-Auto use, due to their positive effects in decreasing trigger lag. I thought that High Torque was purely for stronger springs, and did not have any direct benefit for lower powered springs

Leftyflip

What I've seen in some High speed motors is that they required a bit of a spin-up, ie, it would take a few revolutions before it got to max speed, especially when brand new, I've noticed that before they "bed in" they start off a little slower. With high torque one's I've always found them to be consistent and strong.

Something I was told by the QAS lads, "get a Guarder Durable and a good 7.4V lipo, it will fly" or something like that, but fúck me fly it did! The Guarder Durable was designed as a high torque motor, but with the extra juice of a lipo, they're crazy!

elDiablo79

I was, however, under the impression that High Speed motors were the way to go for Semi-Auto use, due to their positive effects in decreasing trigger lag. I thought that High Torque was purely for stronger springs, and did not have any direct benefit for lower powered springs[/QUOTE]

NO. wen u shoot single fire wit high torque motor wen the shot is taken the motor will stop very quick because the high magnetic force wont allow it to over run as there is no more electric power goin to motor. this is wat gives you a clean crisp single shot. and an active braking mosfet will make this effect even better. high speed motor on single shot wont stop as quick and tends to over-run only enough that u can hear it. but on fully auto is where the high speed motors are really great for burst fire.:D

Plus wat lefty said high speed take time to reach max speed and this wont happen on single shot.

Inari

Cool, cheers for the clarification Lefty & Diablo.

So MOSFET + High Torque (Guarder Durable seems to be most recommended) = best trigger response set up? Good to know. I had always thought that a higher speed motor would be the one for trigger response :S Once again, thanks for clarification